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#1 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2018-02-03 00:38:36

As long as you're using the Devuan repositories, I can somehow figure it out; that's what I have on my "antisocialnetworking" laptop-tablet convertible that I read my ebooks on. 


Yes, I already know that just because I can doesn't mean I should, but pre-2006 Thinkpads are a lot less expensive than "normal" corporate consumer entertainment products for people like me.

i3 looks like fun, too. I probably don't understand Awesome, but I've been using it for awhile just because I can. I guess I'm just not the KDE/Gnome3 type but there never was anything wrong with diversity and there never will be.

#2 Re: Off-topic » Getting to know you » 2018-02-01 21:20:09

cynwulf wrote:

Oh I'm not upset.  You're just getting your knickers in a twist over some free OS and a Linux forum.

@cynwulf  smile

Yup. <s>Also the sky is blue.</s>

Edited to delete irrelevant tmi

#3 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2018-02-01 20:13:39

One more one more thing and then I'll catch up to you in a more appropriate venue:

I like openbox but I LOOOOOOOOOVE flux and JWM; I want to beta test and/or goof around with the "default" that a new but clueless user would download but I'm also chomping at the bit to MIYO and get the bleep off of this temporary systemd band-aid install.

Should I wipe one drive or two? I've got plenty of old Thinkpads.

/dork /fanboi-in-progress

#4 Re: Off-topic » Getting to know you » 2018-02-01 17:58:11

golinux, that's exactly why Devuan isn't the right distro for me. I like cynwulf. I've already wasted enough of my own time finding out the valid reasons he has for being very upset by what I intended to be a polite thank you note and he has wasted enough of his own time getting upset over "obvious trolls".

I don't want to be one of the "bad guys" on the internet any more. I want to get excited about Miyo, feel good about reclaiming a drive, spend my time learning how to do what I want to do, and stop messing up your forum (and, I am grateful to all of you for pointing this out to me) every other flippin' peer support forum on the internet that I have ever loved like family.

I'm a bad guy. I'm a troll. I'm a drama queen/king/unicorn/brony/pervert. I can accept that now and do something about it. I wanted to express my appreciation to you for that and I blew it yet again.

Does this make any sense?

I also unintentionally lied to you. I promised to be the succinct but detached and occaisional poster who wrote a single word.

I am, for whatever reasons that are not your faults, unable to be who I want to be at the present time.

Please accept my sincere apology for my lack of social and language skills, cynwulf, and can we please both just killfile and move on? I don't need to be your friend and I don't want to be your enemy or yet another nuisance you have to deal with.

Miyo, we can continue this discussion on social media where it belongs. I have no idea which one of my "new friends" in the "acquaintance" aspect of which one of my pods you are, but you obviously do and that's good enough for me. smile

The username had nothing to do with modern Greece or politics at all. I just like the classics and I'm fascinated by languages in general but fluent in absolutely none.

Onward and upward!!! Veni, vici, MIYO!!!!!!!!!!

(fanboi coming soon to an appropriate social media fictionalized funny wannabe standup comedy laughing-at-myself-and-the-world character near you.)

#5 Re: Off-topic » Getting to know you » 2018-02-01 02:09:45


I absolutely hate systemd but, sadly,  lack the technical knowledge or social skills to run Devuan. I also like the social contract which states, quite simply and objectively, why the goals of this project do not fit my personal needs.

I wish you all well, certainly can understand burn-out and other interpersonal issues I may or may not bumble across, and will continue to lurk, check in, think about you, and wish you well as I continue my journey to learn as much as I can as well as I can without hurting other people.

This isn't a flounce because I'm not going anywhere, I'm just not comfortable asking questions and therefore am eventually going to have to take my Devuan installs offline or reclaim the drives and install something else.

It isn't a judgement or a suggestion or a complaint either. I have no complaints. I'm grateful for you, sad for any pain or inconvenience I might have accidentally caused you, and so glad I got to enjoy Devuan for as long as I did.

If I am right about systemd, I will eventually be grateful that i DON'T know how to avoid using it because I will darned well figure out how to never use the internet and possibly even my beloved little pre-2008 Thinkpads ever again no matter how big of a fool I have to make of myself.

This wasn't the post I wanted to make when I opened my account but it is the post I need to make now. It's not you, it's me; we can't go on this way any longer but can we still be friends?

golinux, you can just go ahead and "ban" me if you want and it's no big deal at all. Maybe I'll see you around the internet or maybe I already know you in a more appropriate venue for this kind of "message in a bottle" drivel already.


#6 Re: News & Announcements » How you can help Devuan » 2017-09-14 23:12:43

Poppageek wrote:

Please consider setting up a account so we can support Devuan on a monthly basis. Ubuntu Mate has this and seem to do rather well with it. I support a content producer via Patreon and have found it a great way to support those I appreciate.

Thank you.

I am having difficulty with the javascript  the Patreon page and don't think I have ever used it, but I do want to second the idea of supporting Devuan on a monthly basis. I do this with Trisquel, Damn Small Linux (yes, still; even after all these years I still value what I learned from the project in the '00s and I couldn't afford donations when I was actually using  the software daily), riseup, and a musician who has set up a "CSA" for his fans just as our farmers do with our food.

Low income folks can frequently come up with $20 a month much more easily than $240 a year. Patreon isn't the only way to do this.

#7 Re: Other Issues » Samba/filesharing problems » 2017-08-31 17:46:13

nfs it is, then.

I momentarily had sftp working, but when I rebooted the Devuan machines it was Samba all over again.

I did dig up an old Jessie install from before LTS was released that is a working samba server with an /etc/apt/sources.list that pulls Samba from the Debian reps, but that's a band-aid, not a solution.

Greenjeans and I tend to be on the same page a lot as Veteran Unix Users (not administrators) so nfs will probably be a bit more my speed for now and I can figure out what went wrong with sftp at my leisure.

#10 Other Issues » Samba/filesharing problems » 2017-08-28 21:52:44

Samba worked just fine for quite awhile after Jessie was released and then suddenly stopped working. I understand that this is because of security issues in the program that needed to be patched. Currently, I go to "network" in PCManFM and get a message that the operation is not supported. Gigolo doesn't help. This happens with both of my Devuan machines and one older Trisquel (ubuntu fork) install.

A fresh Trisquel install can connect to the server fine and also to the the Devuan machines that cannot connect to it or the server.. There are no Windows machines in my home network any more so it might be time to switch to a better filesharing program anyway.

What I use(d) Samba for was to access and edit files, stream music and video, keep an eye on what my minor child is doing on the hard drive of a shared computer, etc. I'd love to be able to do what I need to do with something less frustrating than Samba if you can point me in the direction of a more secure filesharing program that is intuitive and reasonably well documented.

Alternatively, if you have time to help me troubleshoot Samba, I would also be greatly appreciative.


#11 Re: Off-topic » Finally a free software GNU/Linux phone? » 2017-08-28 19:54:40

Purism is not a company that deserves your trust, IMNSHO. … t-the-same … dev-purism … -Librem-13

I would personally recommend a Replicant phone if you need to be available at all times for work and/or family responsibilities or a landline (and pen and paper if your family is anything like mine, lol) if you don't.

#12 Re: Devuan Derivatives » GNUinOS - Libre » 2017-08-01 15:38:54

zapper wrote:
fsmithred wrote:

Here's a test iso made from ascii that aitor just uploaded. This one will not boot into a live session, but if you could test the installer and report, it would be helpful. Thanks.

Hmm... sure I can try it if you want. tell me though, does this image appear in qemu form? If it does, or if you can tell me how to convert it to qemu form, I will test it gladly.

This is what I do:

qemu-img create -f qcow2 name-of.img 100g

In the directory where you made your image put your iso and:

sudo kvm -m (amount of memory for VM, i.e. 2048) -cdrom (name of image, i.e., gnuinos.iso) -boot d name-of.img

To start the image after install do:

sudo kvm -m (amount of memory for VM, i.e. 2048)  name-of.img


#13 Re: Devuan » Question/Suggestion:What about being an entirely free GNU/Linux disto? » 2017-07-30 15:36:35

Am I correct in assuming that contrib and non-free are enabled in the desktop-live .iso? If so, can anybody recommend a good entirely free respin that can be run live by an inexperienced new user?

I understand that this is a very tall order, but I figured it wouldn't hurt to throw it out there, Gnuinos would be perfect for this person to install, but s/he is not local to me and might not give it a chance if the live image is more minimal than s/he prefers.

S/he would probably be more receptive to several options to choose from than just one. I do not have any experience with hacking live CDs to make my own Freed Devuan desktop-live .iso but I understand that it may or may not be beyond my technical expertise, so perhaps I just need to be pointed in the right direction?

TIA and thank you for your time.

Never mind; I found the documentation section of Dev1 Galaxy. smile

#14 Re: Devuan » The future of 32bit and Devuan? » 2017-07-28 23:02:05

mckaygerhard wrote:

umm the 900A as a server, its a waste of keyboard, mouse and monitor resources in a one piece..

< snip >

i'm interesting to know if you can browse the web pleny with the T43?

Much, much obliged. smile

The 900A has a lot more possibilities and has been neglected for way too long. The 2gigsurf is kind of what I do instead of sudoku so I'm thrilled to have some more brain candy.

I'm on one of the big guys right now, but the T43 is probably going to be my main workhorse for browsing the web. I just put on Icecat (freed Firefox; perhaps a tad lighter, but more full featured than Palemoon) and it's plenty peppy for me. I don't have a Linux-Libre kernel on it yet so I may lose functionalty of the internal wireless card when/if I do, but it can take a PCMCI card as well as a USB adapter.

I'm quite surprised by the little beast. I set up a T4X for someone else around '10-'11ish but I totally underestimated my new-to-me T43 when I acquired it and only planned to run legacy software on it and keep the internet far, far away. You know what John Lennon said about what you call that thing that happens while you're making other plans.

I don't have sound working yet, but that's not exactly a high priority (especially with fresh input for playing with my itty bitty eeePCs!!!!!) since I've got other hardware for playing music.

I've heard about speeding up the Eee PCs with a BIOS upgrade, but by the time I summoned up enough confidence to libreboot my X60s, I couldn't find the ROM. Looks like maybe you know where it is...or maybe some more tricks...

I'll be back after I have a peek. Both of them boot off of SD cards as well as the SSDs and two new 8 gig ones are on their way to be purpified.

#16 Re: Off-topic » Life after Firefox » 2017-07-27 22:31:06

I am on Palemoon right now, Dillo when I don't need to flap my jaw or access anything that needs a password, w3m when GUI annoys me, and am still looking around.

I don't see GNU Icecat in the reps, but I have used it on Trisquel and would prefer it on my 64 bit machines. It might be a bit heavy for some of my 32 bit machines, but still worth a test drive and some education for my illustrious self.

My biggest concern  is that I would prefer to run exclusively free software and am trying my wings at holding my own hand instead of asking others to do that for me.

Well, that was short-lived love for me too. I found Icecat here:

wrestled it on to (some of) my beasts, and it's not too heavy for them at all.

Preferred browser on preferred operating system. Mission accomplished. smile

#17 Re: Devuan » Question/Suggestion:What about being an entirely free GNU/Linux disto? » 2017-07-27 22:17:32

While I agee with this reasoning, I must say, there should be a default devuan install with nonfree and contrib disabled by default.   Also, I think linux libre should be included as an option in devuan with obvious warnings of course! but yeah, if you have nonfree and contrib as options, you do get a larger base. 

I just hope someday that isn't required to get a large following. heh.

Yes, please. smile

#18 Re: Devuan » The future of 32bit and Devuan? » 2017-07-27 21:48:55

Besides my T43, I also have two eeePCs, a T20, and two librebooted X60 tablet convertibles. Yea, I could take them to eWaste or turn them all into museum pieces but I don't want to.

My eeePC 900A is my itty bitty server when I plug in a USB drive and edit smb.conf. My 2gig surf is for public wifi instead of carrying a smartphone and also an exploration in minimalism and trying to get all my work done without using a GUI. One of my X60 tablets is for "antisocial networking", lol; I can access the internet for updates and to download software, I can go get whatever files I need from my server, but nobody can bug me when I want to be alone. The other X60 is my eReader. The T20 hasn't met Devuan yet but it might when I can pick up a spare hard drive for it.

It's not just about money, although I'm certainly less cautious and more willing to stretch my comfort zone when I'm learning how to work on inexpensive hardware than I would be with an expensive 64 bit machine.

Marketing is scary these days--they want me to want newer faster and shinier. They know more about psychology than I do. They want to increase the profits of their shareholders.

I want to be left alone to tinker and learn. My new-to-me T43 suits me just fine. It will be even nicer when I can get the sound working and learn more about what software does and doesn't work on it, maybe pick up a bigger drive, and everything else people always do when they get a new-to-them computer, but I like it and am beginning to have some hope that I can use it online for a long time to come.

#19 Re: Devuan » The future of 32bit and Devuan? » 2017-07-27 17:29:15

I prefer 32 bit for security reasons and would love to see this happen.

I recently acquired a Thinkpad T43 which I intended to use as a bit of  a museum piece to run legacy software far, far from the internet. I am shocked at how beautifully it runs Devuan. With a bit of education about less resource intensive alternatives to the most popularly used programs (palemoon instead of firefox, sylpheed instead of thunderbird and the like) it suits me just fine for the majority of my daily computing tasks.

My more powerful but less secure laptops can sit in a drawer with their batteries in a different drawer until I need them.

This suits me just fine. I would love to be able to continue to live this way. Unfortunately, I do not have the technical knowledge to know if this is a reasonable request to make of our developers, so this is just a show of hands and a thank you note if maintaining 32 bit support is something that they are able to do.

#20 Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] Suspend on Thinkpad T420 » 2017-07-27 17:14:57

Okay, I give up.

My T420 has a bad case of insomnia or something. I've gotten suspend to work just fine on my X200 tablet that has no DE, just flux,JWM, and Awesome.  There was nothing to do with my T43 that has E17 because suspend worked out of the box.

I either can't remember what I did with the X200 tablet or else I need to do something different with the T420. It has MATE as well as all my favourite window managers that I also have on the X200.

Does anybody here have any ideas? Can you point me in the right direction?


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