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I used cinnabar colors for Beowulf. That crimson pigment (which is quite toxic) was very popular in the Renaissance.
Yes, and that was very lovely.
This one is a bit more meh, but if you guys like it, go ahead. I mostly use Hyperbola nowadays aside from my X230 which I might use less in the future.
Besides, wallpaper isnt as important as the project itself, right?
Unless one uses older hardware, intel graphics and/or rhe nouveau or vesa drivers you're pretty much stuck with proprietary firmware for display adapters . Even when using a completely FOSS solution, x86 as an architecture uses a lot of firmware, much of it already on the devices - and it's almost always proprietary.
Yes, I had forgotten that... my bad...
I use a few old thinkpads at the moment...
third gen + second gen. Both on the X type.
Although for the life of me, if something cannot be corebooted and have intel me disabled, I will not use it for my personal projects.
Also, I wont store anything sensitive or anything projects of lasting value unless I have a better setup than that still. Like something where you can completely remove the intel me from the hardware.
This all being said, I think nvidia, is harder to liberate then intel even.
I guess my point is, avoid new hardware whenever possible if its x86ish whether its intel or amd.
Otherwise, security and stability issues will occur eventually.
Edit: I should probably stop replying here, this is way off topic... ps, I do have some writing hobbies in case you wonder what I try to hide.
Runit with runit-init for me was twice as fast as openrc. Hard to believe, but yeah it is.
It worked fine for me on both testing devuan and devuan beowulf, can't say if the others it works well on.
But, on devuan beowulf when you switch from openrc to runit and add runit-init and then try to go back for some reason to openrc, I once had some issues on beowulf. heh... weird stuff.
If you intend to install runit-init + runit the moment you install devuan beowulf, don't install openrc right off the bat. Unless you know something I don't...
That kind of thing caused me some issues once, where dependency hell got in the way...
PS, in my experience, runit + runit-init cut my boot time in half. and shutdown happens in a 1/3 less time if I recall correctly.
There has never been a brown theme. That was Ubuntu.
Hmm, maybe its more of a dark redish brown i was thinking of.
Lol...
I got my colors mixed up probably.
This wallpaper is okay, but I liked the brown one more. A light gray one would also be good in future someday though!
I installed devuan on one computer once, a while back, it refused to let me log in without logging me back out, different problem, but it may be due to the same sort of issue, this desktop computer needed propreitary firmware to run properly. My point being, avoid nvidia if possible... or any propreitary firmware... not even just a security issue, but also stability issue and a juice guzzler issue... meaning it drains battery fast.
If you still insist on using it, the poster above me has a point, you need some more logs or information to give us for us to help you.
I know my inital reply isn't helpful if you insist on using the nvidia driver or if its required, but yeah, that's usually how I think. So my bad...
zapper wrote:Is it using both runit and runit-init?
I love that combo and am using it on my x230 thinkpad, and yes it is faster than openrc.
It does use both runit and runit-init, but most of the services are still managed in the classic way.
zapper wrote:I would love to see Gnuinos be like a deblobbed devuan like trisquel is for ubuntu, only ten thousand fold better. trisquel still has a lot of freedom issues, rust, java and redhat's bs services.
Yes, the freedom flaws related with rust and cargo due to IceCat, as you know from the Hyperbola forum.
Excellent to hear, is there a guide to migrate from devuan to gnuinos and is it almost as stable as devuan?
I would love an unbranded palemoon even more than even iceweasel-uxp, one that is set to reasonable privacy settings.
And yes, I much prefer Hyperbola's way of doing things usually. I dislike anything to do with redhat, but for now some stuff needd.
If HyperbolaBSD is ever successful, I hope you or someone else will make their own spin. heh... I like to have wine, and that is not going to be available on HyperbolaBSD due to multilib security issues. For one of my laptops anyways...
That being said, till that day comes of HyperbolaBSD being stable, I hope you will continue your tireless work.
Just a heads up though, I use the beowulf version of devuan
brocashelm wrote:can see why some people aren't too fond of APT and its tendency to break dependencies, when Pacman can work around that sort of thing.
well, it's a matter of opinion, i tend to think otherwise : debian/apt does a great job in keeping just necessary dependencies with packages, while pacman brings in the whole dependency "world" in.
tried artix sometime ago, and installed a simple qt app in a gtk3 DE.... well, the whole QT came in , hundred or more MBs (cant exactly remember size)... tried the same in debian/devuan, qt dependencies for the same package are less than 10M..
also first pacman upgrade from a month old artix iso installation, brought in ~600M of updates !!!! i don't recall similar apt downloads, even in dist-upgrading debian/devuan stable every 2 years ....
so, size matters also.. (packages+dependencies/installation.)
apt breaking dependencies is a side effect maybe, but not much of an irritation really and usually fixed fast.my 2c
i prefer pacman myself, but that being said, I hate archlinux and their pro systemd stance. I only love Hyperbola's use of pacman.
Haven't tried artix though.
but yeah, pacman appears to be more lightweight/smaller hence why it interests me so...
zapper wrote:If it can handle an emulator like desmume and palemoon or two emulators and palemoon, than it would probably be good enough for me till they get a better processor.
I wonder what the most recent, fastest processor type that you can get without having any remote backdoors/blobs is with 4gbs of ram or more obviously and if possible LPDDR4,
Anyways thanks for the thoughts.
You welcome,
Indeed maybe mnt reform is the most open of them all( the price seems to go up when you talk of openess.. )balthazar.space
it seems they will attempt something with RISCV in mind, but they don't rule out a ARM cortex-a7x version..
The project seems ambitious indeed..Other project, that is not ARM based, but Instead PowerPC based is the www.powerpc-notebook.org
They seem each time closer to get a pcb design, for the Slimbook Eclipse laptop chassis
But its a laptop around 1500€( also a bit expensive.. )Its also a 4 core cpu( SMT 2 - 8 threads ) at 2Ghz, but with some serious amount of Ram, I believe it goes till 32 or 64 GB Ram..
The problem with PowerPC( to a less extent than RISCV ofcourse,.. because support for RISCV right now almost doesn't exist.... ), is the environment around with supported applications..At same time Debian has a port for PowerPC 64 bits, and its growing fast..
At the moment, this is my dream of a laptop, I confess!A powerful AMD eGPU( Open Source Drivers ), mechanical keyboard with RGB, tons of memory Ram( even tough its LPDDR3 ) and its dual chanel, and a cpu with 8 threads at 2Ghz, with nvme disks, everything..
But it costs around some 1500€( its a estimated price range, they have done.. )It could be that "I loose my head" and advance for this one
Sorry to bug anyone with this thread again, but I wondered, i had a netbook once called the acer aspire one, it had the n450 atom intel processor in it, would the mnt reform be 2x or 4x faster then that laptop and would it be able to handle 2x or 4x more applications then n450? keep in mind, the n450 i had only had one gigabyte of ram vs mnt reform's 4gb.
I also could only load one firefox application. would the mnt reform be able to handle 2-4x more applications.
So, it is this:
https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en … 6-ghz.html
with 1gb of ram in acer aspire one
vs mnt reform
with its 1mx8m 4 arm a53 cortex processors.
How much faster do you think it would be?
Or should I have started a new thread?
let me know.
zapper wrote:I thought vivaldi was spyware I am kind of surprised anyone uses it, or anything made from chromium as a base in general.
https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/vivaldi.html
Though to be fair, aside from tor browser, palemoon and lynx, i feel like most web browsers are loaded down with crap. Firefox sadly is as well.
Though easier to mitigate then anything with a chromium base.
Well regardless, just thought I would show you that link. IF you enjoy vivaldi okay, but its not very privacy friendly no matter how its configured...
Read this link too if willing,
Thanks for the info. I don't care, because it doesn't matter; There isn't an Internet or telephone/smartphone service available in Canada that itself isn't spied upon. I have more important things to concern myself with.
Meh, I have one gaming laptop with devuan and wine which plays starcraft 2, two with Hyperbola which I use for writing, etc...
My point being, I prefer to deny them as much as I feel like is reasonable which in my case means, I deny when I feel like it is feasible. That being said, choose wisely...
I still prefer palemoon myself, but each to their own I suppose.
I thought vivaldi was spyware I am kind of surprised anyone uses it, or anything made from chromium as a base in general.
https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/vivaldi.html
Though to be fair, aside from tor browser, palemoon and lynx, i feel like most web browsers are loaded down with crap. Firefox sadly is as well.
Though easier to mitigate then anything with a chromium base.
Well regardless, just thought I would show you that link. IF you enjoy vivaldi okay, but its not very privacy friendly no matter how its configured...
Read this link too if willing,
zapper wrote:Voidlinux is good except for one thing... I don't like that they have a very new kernel. Also, no linux-libre option.
Void have an LTS kernel metapackage which is currently tracking the 4.14 branch and also offer 4.4, 4.9 & 4.19. Their kernels are already de-blobbed.
zapper wrote:Devuan at least has that option thanks to jxself.org
Devuan's kernels are also de-blobbed, no need to rely on third-party repositories.
Huh, didn't know that their kernels were already deblobbed, is this verifiable?
And they do have an lts package? Nice... didn't know that either. Hmm, might revisit in future.
davidb wrote:A very good comparison. How about SeaMonkey? This is my browser of choice.
So I gave SeaMonkey a whirl, by downloading their binary package from their website, and it actually ran really well on this machine. Youtube playback was smooth, but the audio didn't work. I imagine that it was compiled with the PA dependency, so can't fault it for that given that I don't have PA installed. Page loads were slower, but that's what ya get on today's Internet when you're not using Ad Block. It did seem to be more frugal with memory than Firefox, so it could be good for low end hardware.
Was neat how much SeaMonkey still looked like the Netscape Navigator I remember using in Windows 95.
Have you tried using apulse in combination with seamonkey? I bet audio would work then.
zapper wrote:I wonder if any processors based on A76 or A77 will be liberated in maybe 5-10 years of their blobs... or perhaps under 5 years...
Why? Well no meltdown spectre vulnerabilities for them.
We can hope right?Till Risc-V comes out with something as fast as intel's p8600 or faster.
Anyways, I am pondering stuff right now. I will have time to ponder long after this. Thanks for particpating in this thread.
I wonder if I should wait on balthazar.space' idea of a laptop.
Well the next devices to expect are like the Rockchip RK3588, 8nm, 4xA76 + 4xA55, its around 30-40% better than the rk3399, which should be ok, for a decent laptop..
But probably we will not see then tile 2021 or 2022 sadly..This ARM processors are affected by Spectre and/or Meltdown, as they employ the technologies that makes the exploit possible, that already happen in rk3399 for example( 2xA72 )
Everything above Cortex a55, and you have lots of vulnerabilities.. sadly.
Good point, also... nvidia just aquired arm, so we'll have to see what happens because of that.
Imx8m might be the way to go for me then... till risc-v is useful for laptops.
Ascii or beowulf are both good options. just dont stay on wheezy or jessie.
the problem is that DVA (devuan veterant administrators bla bla bla ) are like "PICCORO mckaygerhard".. so experts.. so improvement.. so great..
but a little difference: PICCORO does not need help and are not mantaining a distro.. those DVA need help, manpowers and support for Devuan users..
so .. i guess devuan administrators.. need changes.. so Devuan need hard changes..
Judging by this thread alone, you really seem angry, try to calm down. If you don't like devuan, why not use debian?
Trolling doesn't really benefit anyone. I have done my share of trolling, but these people have done nothing to deserve it, so please don't...
Reserve trolling against other trolls if you have to,
Just my two cents...
Try not to take this personally, but this is going nowhere.
Edit: Updated with archive.org suggestion
ralph.ronnquist wrote:Thanks. Yes. It looks like a code bug; that the edit code picks up the topic's timestamp rather than the post's timestamp.
This might have been fixed now by my spurios replacing of a 't' with a 'p'; otherwise it'll require thought.Thanks. I have now been able to edit my post.
Reasons to allow unlimited time for editing.
Posted issues take an indeterminate time to solve. By setting an edit time limit, you don't allow posters to change a topic subject to [solved]
I am a very poor typist and make many typos and grammatical errors which I may not notice until days later when reviewing my posts. And yes, I do like to go back and review my posts and admire them
I may discover additional issues that I should have discussed originally in a HOWTO days later or weeks later. Edit timeouts could prevent me from updating the HOWTO
Alternatives to Time Limits
Quote posts you are replying to. Even if the original poster modifies or deletes a post, the post is still in the quoted reply
Use rdiff-backup to take daily snapshots of your forum. rdiff-backup is like a version control system for files and only stores deltas for text files like CVS. If a post gets deleted, it can be restored with rdiff-backup. Note that rdiff-backup works on many different file systems and platforms including MAC OSX
Submit a discussion thread URL to archive.org.
These ideas I like, time limits only under certain conditions, and have backups somewhere if need be. I like!
golinux wrote:Ralph has been tweaking the timeout limits on editing and deleting posts
Are timeouts set on a per forum basis? I can still edit my post on this forum made over an hour a go (Forum Feedback) but couldn't edit
https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=24754#p24754
less than two minutes after I posted it.
Regardless, any timeout changes should be published so as not to catch posters by surprise.
I wish it could be somewhere between an hour and a day that you could modify it. But obviously not delete after an hour.
Hi,
I'm uploading new images of gnuinos:
https://www.gnuinos.org/Beowulf/
Here you are a screenshot:
https://www.gnuinos.org/screenshots/202 … _scrot.png
Gnuinos is using runit as init system.
Is it using both runit and runit-init?
I love that combo and am using it on my x230 thinkpad, and yes it is faster than openrc.
I would love to see Gnuinos be like a deblobbed devuan like trisquel is for ubuntu, only ten thousand fold better. trisquel still has a lot of freedom issues, rust, java and redhat's bs services.
That being said, trisquel was still better than ubuntu. Let's hope GNUinos can be better than even devuan is on its own.
Hyperbola and thats about it.
My Devuan laptop is an x230 thinkpad with intel me disabled and coreboot on it.
The laptop i using now is a thinkpad x200 with libreboot. Hyperbola is on it.
Voidlinux is good except for one thing... I don't like that they have a very new kernel. Also, no linux-libre option.
Devuan at least has that option thanks to jxself.org
Unrelated to devuan, but it is an option.
I now use i3-wm for most of my laptops, except the x230 thinkpad which I use xfce4 on.
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:PowerPC (PPC64?) is old and slow and doesn't really compare with the current 7nm x86_64 AMD processors.
Well, actually PowerPC is one of the newest arch's around, created initially in the 90's, and its a open arch, even NXP gave permission to fully open documentation to the project www.powerpc-notebook.org.
It is part of the Open Power Community..Yes, this processor in cause, is not as powerful as 7nm x86_64 launched recently, but it is the best performance/Open/Cost option available at the moment by far..
It has all the connectivity modern hardware has, and its a lot more performant than a ARM cortex a53, by far..
I wonder if any processors based on A76 or A77 will be liberated in maybe 5-10 years of their blobs... or perhaps under 5 years...
Why? Well no meltdown spectre vulnerabilities for them.
We can hope right?
Till Risc-V comes out with something as fast as intel's p8600 or faster.
Anyways, I am pondering stuff right now. I will have time to ponder long after this. Thanks for particpating in this thread.
I wonder if I should wait on balthazar.space' idea of a laptop.
tuxd3v wrote:Other project, that is not ARM based, but Instead PowerPC based is the www.powerpc-notebook.org
PowerPC (PPC64?) is old and slow and doesn't really compare with the current 7nm x86_64 AMD processors.
The RISC-V laptop from Balthazar looks interesting but all RISC-V implementations are focused on power efficiency rather than performance so the same would apply to those.
POWER9 (pp64el) and perhaps POWER10 both compete on performance, if not price, and Raptor offer fully free (as in speech) desktops: https://www.raptorcs.com/content/BK1B01/intro.html
But with a TDP in excess of 90W (!) I don't think we'll see any laptops based on that ISA...
You see, before you why I do not trust openpower for the foreseeable future. Its too damn heavy wattage wise.
If I cannot use it on a laptop, and if its that heavy, no use for me.
Servers it might be good for, but all else... no way...
ARM and Risc-V are the future. Well... actually arm is more now related, but Risc-V is the future period. Until someone else develops something more secure...
zapper...
Does your laptop function without nvidia, if so, I recommend it. proprietary blobs have unknown consequences. Security/privacy and who knows what else.This post is about my desktop system, I play OTTD and CounterStrike Source. The Graphics driver helps with CS:S, but it's so old the other drivers work fine, I find it easier to manage kernel and nVidia updates manually.
The desktop system is my entertainment system, constant music (streaming 4zzz radio, and my enormous cd collection), videos, games and web-browsing.
My laptop runs the same OS, but I don't bother with the graphics modules as I only use it in emergencies and occasional couch surfing.
It has an intel onboard and a nVidia card, I think it's able to switch on loading... but that maybe a m$Win thing, it had win7 and 10 on it at first.Wireless was the main reason I went to backports, to tether off my iPhone :-) (Thanks to this site I got a "reliable" connection happening)
Anyhow, I haven't seen any security probs with the nVidia .run installs, it seems simpler to me (than dkms)... But I keep my eyes open and never stop learning about our operating systems and desktops.
Thanks for everything, Your mileage, of course may vary.
Best regards, Glenn
Ah, okay... Well, if it works for ya, good. I don't trust blobs myself, if I think they are related to network or have a remote weakness. But if its fine for you, by all means. That's just my view. heh...
zapper wrote:If it can handle an emulator like desmume and palemoon or two emulators and palemoon, than it would probably be good enough for me till they get a better processor.
I wonder what the most recent, fastest processor type that you can get without having any remote backdoors/blobs is with 4gbs of ram or more obviously and if possible LPDDR4,
Anyways thanks for the thoughts.
You welcome,
Indeed maybe mnt reform is the most open of them all( the price seems to go up when you talk of openess.. )balthazar.space
it seems they will attempt something with RISCV in mind, but they don't rule out a ARM cortex-a7x version..
The project seems ambitious indeed..Other project, that is not ARM based, but Instead PowerPC based is the www.powerpc-notebook.org
They seem each time closer to get a pcb design, for the Slimbook Eclipse laptop chassis
But its a laptop around 1500€( also a bit expensive.. )Its also a 4 core cpu( SMT 2 - 8 threads ) at 2Ghz, but with some serious amount of Ram, I believe it goes till 32 or 64 GB Ram..
The problem with PowerPC( to a less extent than RISCV ofcourse,.. because support for RISCV right now almost doesn't exist.... ), is the environment around with supported applications..At same time Debian has a port for PowerPC 64 bits, and its growing fast..
At the moment, this is my dream of a laptop, I confess!A powerful AMD eGPU( Open Source Drivers ), mechanical keyboard with RGB, tons of memory Ram( even tough its LPDDR3 ) and its dual chanel, and a cpu with 8 threads at 2Ghz, with nvme disks, everything..
But it costs around some 1500€( its a estimated price range, they have done.. )It could be that "I loose my head" and advance for this one
To be honest, amd and intel don't interest me... spectre/meltdown anyone?
among other vulnerabilities...
Tell me, how realistic does using qemu on mnt reform look? to load a 64 bit OS like devuan or debian, or idk...
Either way, balthazar.space and mnt reform interest me.
zapper wrote:Heh, I guess I did really have a lot of interest in it to the point where there was some emotion,
I wonder what the strongest emulator it could handle would be though, dosbox or desmume?
Regardless, 4gbs of ram would be enough for a web browser like palemoon and some emulator on at the same time like desmume, dosbox or something I would think.
I also use i3wm anyways.
I don't like any DE's except lumina. too much bloat man...
Well, maybe by 2022 theyll have a processor with quad core a72's.
Who knows right?
The developer did say was planning to sell new motherboard configurations with it in the future. I don't know what processors will be used in the 2022 version, but who knows. That's 2 years away.
meh...
I understand that, I also feel the same..
To be honest, I don't know, but mnt reform should handle them
They are using the Same CPU in the laptop that goes into the Purism Librem 5 Smartphone( At least it was initially planned, but I don't know if something changed from that moment til now.. probably some things have changed.. ):
https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/It has very nice features apart from the cpu/Ram, like mechanical keyboard, the mouse trackball, the storage, cpu accelerators for internet packets, and so on, but the price/limited cpu performance/Ram is a no go for me
They should had go with the NXP iMX8QuadMax or the most powerful cortex-a72 octacore NXP LS2088A( 2Ghz ), and 8 GB of Ram to justify the price tag..
Have you took a look at the ASUS Chromebook C201:
https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=3789its also a option, tough the keyboard would not be comparable with the mnt reform, and the storage is limited, but for a netbook it seems quite ok..
But only If you manage to get a 4GB Ram..
Also the Ram is LPDDR3 nor LPDDR4.. but it has a nice performance..
The most probable is that, if you want to get all functionality, you will have to use some binary blobs , here and there..
If it can handle an emulator like desmume and palemoon or two emulators and palemoon, than it would probably be good enough for me till they get a better processor.
I wonder what the most recent, fastest processor type that you can get without having any remote backdoors/blobs is with 4gbs of ram or more obviously and if possible LPDDR4,
Anyways thanks for the thoughts.
By the way, keep this also in mind for 2022 or later
balthazar.space
apparently, someone is planning something similiar, only with risc-v. Although its possible they may have to make an arm implemenation first.
EDIT: I also wonder if the mnt reform can handle qemu with a 64 bit os. If I had to guess, that would take up probably 100% of the cpu. So I probably wouldn't even attempt that. Till they get another processor thats 2x faster or more.
By this I mean, a virtual machine within an existing os.