LOL! Yes, I remarked on that earlier :-)

These last few comments have brought up the notion of choice. I think people have more choice than they think. There can be tradeoffs, of course. I choose to live in a very rural setting, in New Hampshire USA (basically in the woods). Finding certain kinds of employment is difficult to impossible, unless you're willing to put up with a long commute. The social dynamics are very different in a small town. The types of mental stimulation are very different in the farm/woods. There is plenty to think about, believe me.

But if you feel you need to be involved in a certain field that requires an urban locations, well, that's your choice. How much of the urban 'lifestyle' goes along with that is also largely a choice. Talking about choice inevitably brings up the concepts of "wants" vs. "needs". I think a lot of what people consider 'needs' are really 'wants'.

Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I stuck around :-)

Firefox 57, due this month (beta available now), is different. It's very fast and snappy, and I find myself spending most of my time with it (the beta, for now). Many extensions are broken in the new model, but I have the ones I need - your mileage will obviously vary. Pale Moon is very nice in a lot of ways, and I've been using it for quite a while as much as I can, but still too many sites just don't work, and it's not a simple matter of fiddling with user agent strings.  I will not have anything to do with anything associated with Google.

This is good stuff! Getting this infrastructure sorted out is really important... good work!

Thanks for the news, fsmithred! It seems to be working fine here...

Just happy to know that progress is being made!

*squeak*

Thanks for the tip. I just enabled it, updated, got:

The following packages will be upgraded:
  firefox-esr libmariadbclient18 whois

That's about it. Should I leave it enabled, or are there potential problems?

Say, you wouldn't happen to know the status of Amprolla3, would you? I think golinux wants to know ;-)

In my opinion, the mistake wasn't calling jessie stable, it was calling it jessie! Of course, jessie is Devuan stable, but jessie is Debian oldstable. Debian stable is stretch, but the Devuan branch that tracks stretch is not even alpha - call it testing. So people say 'jessie', or 'stable' or 'testing' or this or that, and it gets very confusing very fast. Whose stable? Which jessie? Yes, often you can tell from context, but sometimes not so much.

And yes, Debian is dealing with one systemd mess chasing another... I did some testing with Stretch this morning, and I feel like I need to take a shower :-)  I don't think it's any stretch (ha ha!) to say that systemd disgusts me. I'm back to my usual dual-boot between ascii and (Devuan!) jessie...

Just for the record... I am running Ascii (ugpraded from stock Devuan Jessie months ago), and have no such issue with pkexec.

[Edited to mention that I'm running with MATE.]

I am not a dev - just a user. I have been using both jessie and ascii for months. For me, for the programs I use, for my use case, ascii is now rock-solid. I am sure there are programs that you and/or others might want to use that are still glitchy. That said, ascii is based on stretch, which is Debian stable - the only real issue is getting rid of systemd throughout. Sometimes a program you want to use depends on something that depends on something that depends on something that still depends on systemd. I had several such issues up to a couple of months ago, then suddenly that final link in the dependency chain was fixed, and all was well.

Again, YMMV, and I'm sure it will. Are you trying to do something in ascii and finding it doesn't work, or is unstable? If so, report it. If not, from where comes your 'feeling'? Ascii is testing, so yes, it's not time to roll it out for production. But if you have it already installed, then just test it and see what you can see.