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#1 Re: Off-topic » Does anybody run (or has thought of running) NetBSD pkgsrc on Devuan? » 2018-07-11 22:57:55

I agree with Panopticon.

Ottavio wrote:

Devuan (systemd aside) seems to be based on some sort of minimalism.

I see nothing special here. It is just like Debian sans systemd as you already know. How 'minimal' you want to go is your own choice.

#2 Re: Off-topic » Show your desktop (rebooted) » 2018-07-11 16:35:52

Xmms, I see. I guess you compiled it yourself.

#3 Re: Off-topic » Show your desktop (rebooted) » 2018-07-10 20:17:58

Xmonad and Trinity. You guys rock. Not that they have something in common but they both are as old school as it gets. smile

#4 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » System Specifications Of Users Systems? » 2018-06-29 16:54:08

My machine is an old Thinkpad T400 laptop. It has a Core 2 Duo CPU and integrated Intel graphics with 4 GB RAM and a 160 GB HDD.
I should probably upgrade RAM and take an SSD but it runs just fine with anything I throw on it. Right now it is Devuan Ascii.
I do not really need more for what I do apart the photo editing sometimes where I see the limitations.

Sometimes I connect the Thinkpad to an old 19" LCD monitor.

#5 Re: Installation » Migration from LMDE 2 to Ascii: possible? Has anybody done it? » 2018-06-29 15:05:54

Ottavio wrote:

In case I decided to follow this route. what should I do with these files:



Can I safely remove /etc/lsb-release and  all files in /etc/apt/preferences.d/* ?

Here lies the problem. It is full of stuff that Mint did on top of Debian. I guess yes, you could remove all this cruft because in the end you will only need Devuan sources with the default apt preferences.

#6 Re: Installation » Migration from LMDE 2 to Ascii: possible? Has anybody done it? » 2018-06-29 00:23:07

I guess it would be possible but not really recommended because it is heavily customized to be able do upgrade without major problems.

But if you want to experiment try to change /etc/apt/sources.list to reflect Devuan ascii stretch, basically following the documentation you mentioned, and remove every Mint repo. Before that back up your system. It could eat your cat but why not try it. smile Painless? Probably not really.

#7 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » basic_config » 2018-06-28 15:50:00

If you have issues regarding screen brightness and printing just open separate threads about it and we will fix it.

#8 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Problem with package mate-power-manager » 2018-06-26 22:22:33

I noticed already and installed the new package mate-power-manager but from ascii-backports because I use the newer Mate 1.18 packages and can confirm the bug by OP. Also the battery icon, when present on the panel, is just an exclamation sign.

#9 Re: Installation » Is There Any Way To Directly Install Ceres? » 2018-06-24 21:35:54

Panopticon wrote:

Probably take a little longer but full upgrade to ceres on a base ascii installation from netinstall is the way i would do it.

I would do the same.

Simply install Devuan with nothing, only the base system, and then edit the sources list to ceres and do a dist-upgrade.
Later add your window manager or preferred desktop.

#10 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » basic_config » 2018-06-24 21:26:46

If you do not want to wait for mate-power-manager to be accepted into stable you could use the xfce4-power-manager in the meantime to set the screen settings. It will handle dpms settings for you. 

I guess mate-power-manager is still in proposed. I usually do not add proposed to my sources list, some do and you can test some newer fixes for packages before they go into stable. Probably not recommended on mission critical systems but the quality of the packages is usually top notch.

#11 Re: Installation » [Solved] Virtualbox 5.x.xx in ASCII » 2018-06-24 21:06:01

I can see version 5 in ascii-backports:

apt policy virtualbox
  Installiert:           (keine)
  Installationskandidat: 5.2.10-dfsg-6~bpo9+1
     5.2.10-dfsg-6~bpo9+1 100
        100 ascii-backports/contrib amd64 Packages

That should do the trick by installing it this way as root or with sudo:

apt install -t ascii-backports virtualbox

Edit: Of course before being able to install from backports you have to add them to your /etc/apt/sources.list.

#12 Re: Devuan » Devuan ASCII reviewed on DistroWatch Weekly » 2018-06-19 20:52:37

Obviously Jesse was not installing Debian very often as the default Xfce desktop looks and acts just like when you install Debian, in a sense already mentioned here calling it "universal".

I always install from a netinstall, so the procedure was not different from Debian. Maybe the Refracta installer is not the best choice if you have to use the live ISO. The thing is that many people of course will go with the live version because it is available and shows already how your hardware works with it.
Other derivatives use still the Debian installer from a live environment and I think it is almost bullet proof. Though you can always make things better and there are others based on Debian with their own installers.

So he basically complained about the initial setup but then it was a relatively positive review. But in all honesty I never took Distrowatch very seriously.

What he probably means with "conservative" is that the pace is slower, with older, reliable, tested and stable software. Yep, that sounds like old-school Debian to me, quite positive. It is also true that you can use flatpaks to spice up your system. I know not everybody is a fan of it but hey, there is another choice to add some newer components to your stable system and it does not depend on systemd, if you want and really need to.

#13 Re: News & Announcements » The (almost) No Code of Conduct » 2018-06-19 12:58:07

cynwulf wrote:

If someone enters your establishment and trashes the place, you don't allow them to remain on condition they wear a sign over their head.  You boot them out and be done with it.  That's really the only two options you have - allow them to remain or boot them out.

A very good point. I see no reason to have "troll" members in the forum or when somebody comes here to register and see the forums has a bunch of "default" trolls participating in the community. That is no good promotion.

Also the administrators are here to control and decide, that is why they have mod powers. It is not the task of forum members to "police" the forums. Sure they can report such behavior and help out but if everybody has the power to make someone a troll then it can rapidly get out of control and the outcome will be the opposite. 

It would be better that mods and administrators decide together who is the troll and how to deal with him/her and then just ban them or delete their accounts. There is no point of marking members as unwanted but still have them here wearing a sign.

#14 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » MATE 1.20 on devuan ascii » 2018-06-15 13:55:24

golinux wrote:

Yes.  antofox maintains MATE for Devuan.

That is great news.

Though I am using 1.18 from ascii-backports and I am happy with it. Of course at the moment I am still using it with xfce-power-manager.
I am looking forward to Mate 1.20 especially if they fixed some problems with Gtk3.

#15 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Enlightenment & Falkon » 2018-06-13 15:03:33

I do not use it personally but it is another choice the user gets. Nothing more. Why are people always so easily offended is beyond me.

#16 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Enlightenment & Falkon » 2018-06-12 13:14:26

Maybe this can help:

There exists an AppImage and even a flatpak.

#17 Re: News & Announcements » Devuan 2.0 ASCII Stable » 2018-06-10 22:14:26


Happy computing to everybody.

#18 Re: Installation » Post Install House Keeping » 2018-06-08 23:04:24

I guess "Universal Operating System" applies here.
There is only so much to do after installing as the user sees fit.

Of course every individual will have his/her own preferences and you could ask every one of them what they consider important post-install.

#19 Re: Other Issues » Question on kernel upgrades » 2018-06-08 22:56:42

Normally you should use apt-get dist-upgrade. That would have upgraded to the newer kernel version automatically and of course remove the older one.
apt-get upgrade is not doing that. It never removes older packages. In this case I would say it is save to do so because it is a security update to an already existing package, here the kernel 3.16. And that is why you probably won't see the older kernel in Grub. Because it is still in the same family or meta package that is called linux-image-amd64.

Now if I install a kernel from backports it would be added as a new option to the Grub menu and it would install a new package instead of only upgrading the existing one. For Jessie that is kernel image 4.9.

I hope I explained it well. It can be confusing. 

The system will take care of Grub. You do not have to do anything.

#20 Re: Installation » fonts for Far East languages (absolutely minimalistical dotation) » 2018-06-06 21:08:31

I use the package unifont to avoid those empty boxes in whatever language that is not Western or European.

#21 Off-topic » Show your desktop (rebooted) » 2018-06-03 22:29:56

Replies: 28

Show off your desktop! This time no t-shirt. wink

Some short info is sufficient. If you have questions ask politely and we will share.

I am very pleased with Devuan 2.0.



Minimally customized spectrwm with conky showing basic info in the bar.

#22 Re: News & Announcements » "Origin" now set to "Devuan" » 2018-06-03 21:55:20

I prefer just using apt because the syntax is shorter but apt-get is not deprecated and it should make no difference in this case.

#25 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » How to update drivers in Devuan (Miyo)? » 2018-05-30 15:49:03

mate-system-monitor is in the Ascii repos.

I like both Mate and Xfce but as of late slightly prefer Mate. Everybody has his/her preference but making compton work in Mate or in Xfce is just the same. The problem is using a preconfigured compton.conf and probably the default compositor at the same time.

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