actuallization from Ceres impossible

32bits · 2025-10-01 06:59:50

Hi

As I actualize my Ceres install each mounth I try to do it now 48 h along without success. I suppose that my system is endommaged? The content of /etc/apt is changed: the item sources.list appears in "grey" I would say in inactive color.

a. where is actually some ISO to remake complettely my installation?
b. where is the new depository procedere explained if it is one?

The reinstallation of "testing" did be done but the depository seems to be empty of all goodies (espec. of the refracta tools).

c. how to continue in testing and experimental with the usual scope of applications?

(I use an extremelly stripped installation with only xorg jwm lightdm clex ranger alsa refracta tools luakit didiwiki tea hunspell xsane tesseract and gimagereader cups)

d. it seems not possible any more to install ted or some really light text processor?

e. idem concerning granule.

Concerning ranger I have to communicate with our maintener : the build ranger.desktop does not work!

Concerning jwm, it would be better to offer a system.jwmrc with following setting:

«Background type="image">/usr/share/jwm/jwm-red.svg</Background>» ;-))

Concerning the visualisation, a file .Xresources would be helpfull!

Kind regards

stultumanto · 2025-10-05 03:29:14

The content of /etc/apt is changed: the item sources.list appears in "grey" I would say in inactive color.

The repository configuration has been moved to the file /etc/apt/sources.list.d/devuan.sources, which uses a new format. It contains basically the same information as the old sources.list, it's just broken out into separate lines with descriptive headings.

RedGreen925 · 2025-10-05 04:06:10

Try this for your /etc/apt/sources.list.d/devuan.sources file.

## The new style method of using repositories to install software.
## This /etc/apt/sources.list.d/devuan.sources is new style and location file
## The /etc/apt/old.style.sources.list contains the same as this.
## https://linuxconfig.org/ubuntus-repository-configuration-ubuntu-sources-have-moved-to-etc-apt-sources-list-d-ubuntu-sources

## Normal unstable sources
Types: deb
URIs: http://gnlug.org/pub/devuan/merged
Suites: unstable
Components: main non-free contrib non-free-firmware
Enabled: yes
Signed-By: /usr/share/keyrings/devuan-archive-keyring.gpg
Architectures: amd64

Move your /etc/apt/sources.list to /etc/apt/old.style.sources.list to prevent conflicts and be certain only the new file will be used.

DaveT · 2025-10-07 23:01:28

Pardon me, but where and when was this documented?
My /etc/apt/sources.list is:-
deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ceres main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
and it works fine!

ralph.ronnquist · 2025-10-08 00:11:11

Check out https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList

But luckily for us the traditional format still works well. For some reason the "old" format is tagged as "less readable", which is peak nonsense of course.

DaveT · 2025-10-08 10:59:31

As I run Ceres I do an update upgrade every time I boot up.
Today 2025 October 8th sudo apt update completed and then asked me to run
sudo apt modernize-sources
So I did. And got the whizzo new format!
Go with the flow and all that, who knows why they changed it.

ALL sources are now in their own files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d
so the devaun source is now /etc/apt/sources.list.d/devuan.sources

I think they are letting young people work on the code... BAD! Leave it to us old farts!

RedGreen925 · 2025-10-08 16:32:25

I think they are letting young people work on the code... BAD! Leave it to us old farts!

Meh, I like the new format I think the idea is to make it more machine readable. Just for giggles looking at the labels in it I put two repositories on the single line it updates both of them just fine. Who knows if it will install packages from both or not.

root@9600k:~# agu
Hit:1 http://gnlug.org/pub/devuan/merged excalibur InRelease
Hit:2 http://gnlug.org/pub/devuan/merged excalibur-backports InRelease         
Hit:3 http://gnlug.org/pub/devuan/merged excalibur-proposed-updates InRelease  
Hit:4 http://gnlug.org/pub/devuan/merged excalibur-updates InRelease           
Hit:5 http://de.deb.devuan.org/merged excalibur InRelease                      
Hit:6 http://gnlug.org/pub/devuan/merged excalibur-security InRelease          
Hit:7 https://apt.benthetechguy.net/debian trixie InRelease        
Hit:8 http://de.deb.devuan.org/merged excalibur-backports InRelease
Hit:9 http://de.deb.devuan.org/merged excalibur-proposed-updates InRelease
Hit:10 http://de.deb.devuan.org/merged excalibur-updates InRelease
All packages are up to date.

root@9600k:~# cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/devuan.sources
# Devuan 6 excalibur
## The new style method of using repositories to install software.
## This /etc/apt/sources.list.d/devuan.sources is new style and location file
## The /etc/apt/old.style.sources.list contains the same as this.
## https://linuxconfig.org/ubuntus-repository-configuration-ubuntu-sources-have-moved-to-etc-apt-sources-list-d-ubuntu-sources

## Normal excalibur sources
Types: deb
URIs: http://gnlug.org/pub/devuan/merged http://de.deb.devuan.org/merged
Suites: excalibur excalibur-backports excalibur-proposed-updates  excalibur-updates
Components: main non-free contrib non-free-firmware
Enabled: yes
Signed-By: /usr/share/keyrings/devuan-archive-keyring.gpg
Architectures: amd64

## excalibur security sources
Types: deb
URIs: http://gnlug.org/pub/devuan/merged
Suites: excalibur-security
Components: main non-free contrib non-free-firmware
Enabled: yes
Signed-By: /usr/share/keyrings/devuan-archive-keyring.gpg
Architectures: amd64

Edit:

root@9600k:~# alias agu
alias agu='apt update'

Last edited by RedGreen925 (2025-10-08 16:33:39)

g4sra · 2025-10-08 16:33:01

who knows why they changed it

The current sources.list is not particularly friendly [with multiple bracketed differing options on one line] to being parsed and edited programmatically, hence the new format. Read into that what you want ~ SystemD control is where my money is.

greenjeans · 2025-10-08 20:04:06

Just from my limited messings around:

Apt and Synaptic work fine with both old and new styles, and indeed even having a mix of them.

Putting even one new style entry in /etc/apt/sources.list.d, breaks the ability to view/mod your repositories while in Synaptic.

As RRQ said, the more machine-readable stuff is just nonsense. Young coders particularly seem to get bored and change things just to change them, in corporate settings it's usually to try and justify their paycheck, in Linux it's just some weird fashion thing coupled with boredom. Some people actually enjoy breaking things just to bug-hunt. Some people in Linux are just doing things to piss off other people in Linux that they hate (usually for no good reason). Lots of dynamics going on. YMMV.

"Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to change it every six months"
~Oscar Wilde

yohno · 2025-10-09 22:46:13

I thought you are working 32bit version, right? Mr. oui publshed Devuan Derivatives of my snapshot Devuan CERES Star 32 bit on 2024/02/22 under Devuan Derivative of this forum. Please check with https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=6456.

You can try if it is workable or not. I am not sure. Personally I do not know if the development/supports on Devuan ceres 32bit is continuing or not since debian terminates the further /development/supports on debian 13+ 32bit. I personally use Ceres 64 bit version, upgraded roughly 2 months ago.
I need to work with Virtualbox so I stay with 6.12.38-deb13-amd64 kernel. My sources.list is with old format but I have not been alerted to upgrade the sources.list yet. Probably my kernel installed is not newest.

If you are working on 64bit, you need to follow the right procedure in upgrading from Daedalus by installing usrmerge. Without installing usrmerge, you cannot upgrade to ceres properly even if you changed the sources.list properly.

Hopefully you can work further by step-by-step approach for achieving your goal!

yoshi

Last edited by yohno (2025-10-09 23:30:25)

Altoid · 2025-10-09 23:25:50

Hello:

g4sra wrote:

SystemD control is where my money is.

Yes,
That is what it seems to me also.

Best,

A.

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actuallization from Ceres impossible

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