[SOLVED] No audio on Excalibur through pipewire on KDE wayland

steve_v · 2025-08-22 08:00:25

mildly fun way to do something I can work on for myself, although even if I do, it wont be soon.

Yeah, figuring it out was kinda fun while it lasted. Now that OpenRC has user-services, I expect that's the way I'll go next time I feel like messing with it.

IMO, for all its other flaws, systemd user-units aren't inherently a bad idea. The trick is, as usual, implementing something comparable without falling into the same scope-creep tarpit.
Devuan is going to need a generic solution sooner or later, if they're willing to embrace OpenRC as a first-class (or even default) init system, it can just be leeched off Gentoo and the solution already in testing.
If they want to cling to sysvinit as the default, we need something else... Which will likely have to be a Devuan project or a colab with Slackware, since pretty much everyone else has moved on from pure sysv.

At the very least, shipping an interim launcher in shell (aka. nicking gentoo-pipewire-launcher) and packaging some simple xdg-autostart files that work with common DEs would go a long way to alleviating the "I installed the default KDE desktop and stuff doesn't work" pain. It's not exactly a lot of work either.

self contradictory statement

Yeah, and for what it's worth I'm not usually quite as confrontational as I have been lately... This pattern from the admin(s) has been going on a long while, and today I just had a gutsfull of it.
Sorry that it was your intro to this board and all that.

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brocashelm · 2025-08-22 08:13:29

All I will say is that I'm quite surprised this dumpster fire of a thread is STILL GOING (long after the issue had been marked as solved), when that "joke" thread has been locked not one, but two times already -- and all it took for the latter action was an undesirable regular getting shit on. Greenjeans and I were the only ones who actually posted content that WAS on-topic, instead of dad "jokes" or back-and-forth pessimistic arguing.

steve_v · 2025-08-22 08:17:00

pessimistic arguing

Wait, this isn't this go and ralph's pessimistic arguing club? I must have taken a wrong turn somewhere, I swear that's what thesign on the door said...

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radiatedradio · 2025-08-22 08:18:14

Devuan is going to need a generic solution sooner or later, if they're willing to embrace OpenRC as a first-class (or even default) init system, it can just be leeched off Gentoo and the solution already in testing.
If they want to cling to sysvinit as the default, we need something else... Which will likely have to be a Devuan project or a colab with Slackware, since pretty much everyone else has moved on from pure sysv.

Other than gentoo being mostly openrc 1st, devuan, artix etc. are all very fragmented in this way. And I think the people who use these kinds of distros want the choice between init systems, even if it comes with fixing stuff, but that doesn't really excuse a by-default broken desktop IMO. But I would also expect most people running these kinds of setups to not use wayland or pipewire, just the "tried and true method that worked on my box since 1997", which is also not what new users would (usually) want. This is my 1st time using wayland and pipewire too, I've always been on X, and for some reason I expected it to work (I don't know why).

brocashelm · 2025-08-22 08:21:34

steve_v wrote:

Wait, this isn't this go and ralph's pessimistic arguing club? I must have taken a wrong turn somewhere, I swear that's what thesign on the door said...

Probably will be now, since I'm quoting your entire post. Whoops.

steve_v · 2025-08-22 08:27:17

Wayland/pipewire does just work on other non-systemd distros. Not wanting to run systemd does tend to go well with avoiding modern software trends generally, but it's really not a package deal so-to-speak.
I'm running a bleeding-edge Gentoo openrc install, with X11 and pipewire. There's nothing mutually exclusive there, and mixing-and-matching your preferred components is a tradition as old as GNU/Linux itself. It's not even a particularly unusual combination as gentoo installs go.

If Devuan goes down the "reject anything new" path that certain voices seem to be pushing around here, all that is going to happen is a slow fade into irrelevance.

steve_v · 2025-08-22 08:38:50

I'm quoting your entire post.

You full-quoted a post? Do you realise what you've done?

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brocashelm · 2025-08-22 09:24:54

steve_v wrote:

You full-quoted a post? Do you realise what you've done?

Yup, doing it again. Next, I'm sure, is the deprecation of text highlighting...

Those poor, poor bits and bytes that could've been used for more whining instead.

steve_v · 2025-08-22 10:01:03

brocashelm wrote:

steve_v wrote:
brocashelm wrote:
I'm quoting your entire post.
You full-quoted a post? Do you realise what you've done?
Yup, doing it again. Next, I'm sure, is the deprecation of text highlighting...
Those poor, poor bits and bytes that could've been used for more whining instead.

Aww, nesting only goes 3 deep, this board is no fun. *waits patiently for fun-police*

Maybe we have to say his name thrice or something?
...Or it's just nap time.

ralph.ronnquist · 2025-08-22 10:17:58

Yes.
Print it out, frame it and hang up on the wall.
Then you can show your kids and grand kids how adults do things.

golinux · 2025-08-22 17:51:47

Seems like this thread has morphed into an ode to the passing of the torch from those whose brains were formed before the internet and those who have never really known true autonomy. This passing of the torch is nothing new but it has never before been a worldwide event. We play with the machine but it is the machine that owns us. We have become what we have collectively thought and imagined for decades and as usual, shot ourselves in the foot yet again. This is not progress. It is just repeating same mistake yet again. Humans never seem to learn . . .

steve_v · 2025-08-22 17:56:11

Phew, so this is the go and ralph pessimisim club after all. Had me going for a bit there.

golinux · 2025-08-22 18:21:57

steve_v . . . If our species survives the coming years, you may live long enough to experience this transition yourself. It is a well known and documented phenomena that has been a recurring theme in the arts for decades. But it is a different perspective to live it and it is quite unsettling to realize that your generation will never know the expansive freedom and autonomy that my generation had. That is not pessimism. That is observation. If I were a pessimist why would I still be beating my head against a brick wall supporting options for sane computing and putting up with your misdirected abuse? We really are on the same team but from different perspectives.

Are you aware that this very forum was one of my many contributions to devuan? Early on, I self-hosted it for several years before it was eventually taken up by the project.

steve_v · 2025-08-22 18:47:26

Given prize exhibits a:

sub-human mutation

and b:

disgusting human being

What, exactly, makes you think I have any desire to further engage with you? You are a site admin, and this is the example you set? How repulsive.

Are you aware that this very forum was one of my many contributions to devuan?

Are you aware that I care not one iota? Spinning up a forum isn't rocket science, nor is it particularly commendable if the intent is to run it like a tin-pot dictatorship for one's own aggrandizement, with a regular side of crotchety spite and patronising babble.

Or did you think "go and ralph's pessimistic arguing club" was just a silly joke?

I'm quite happy to help out here where there are technical questions, or chat where there is mildly amusing (and mostly sane) conversation to be had. But you? You I am done dealing with.

Ed. You want to know how this looks from the outside? From the point of view of the "never enough devs" who you will never do anything but drive away? Go read radiatedradio's comment on the previous page.

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brocashelm · 2025-08-22 20:47:23

And prize exhibit C:

golinux wrote:

Please take that nonsense to social media. Not appropriate here.

You talk crap to your own users, but the moment someone wants to loosen the tensions here lately, you go all gestapo and start closing and nuking threads/posts. Yet, your own example is to berate people, just as you've been doing for years. That's some of the biggest bullshit I've ever seen, and particularly that you've never contributed a single line of code. Tinkering with generic Clearlooks CSS files and "hosting" a typical small forum is something anyone can do. Developers and maintainers on other distro forums don't pull nearly the kind of crap that goes on here with the (over)moderating, and when they need help, they do it correctly, instead of bitching and moaning to their own loyal users.

The real JOKE is the way things are run here, and maybe even Devuan (it really is just a Debian with some packages that happen to work with SysVinit, a package suite that Debian already provides). You micromanage the living shit out of a public forum. That's what drives people away from here and eventually Devuan altogether. Do you really want that? Keep it up, and eventually your active user count (sans the staff) will be zero. Your failure to listen to what people like Steve_V had to say regarding Devuan's future will ultimately fall on you, and people will move on from this distro. Make your bed, and lay in it.

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golinux · 2025-08-22 22:07:39

Without the synergy of MANY dedicated users working together, Devuan would not exist. We didn't always agree and sometimes the discussions were heated. We usually (but not always) worked things out and in the end, came together with respect for each other.

Now a new generation of users with little knowledge of Devuan's history is flexing its muscles and has become unnecessarily aggressive and abusive toward those who have been in the trenches for over a decade. Patience, not just mine, is wearing thin. Perhaps those of you who are dissatisfied should band together and fork Devuan to your own liking because your days here may be numbered if you continue on the present course.

Others along the way have had their individual self-aggrandizing interactions with us through the years. You are not the first or even the nastiest. This rerun is getting tiresome.

Note that our invitation to potential dev1galaxy users reads:
"The dev1galaxy.org forum welcomes all those who come in peace to support the Devuan project!"

If you don't like what you are getting, try a different approach to what you are putting out.

steve_v · 2025-08-23 03:36:37

Damn, this is so stereotypical "old coot too busy living in the past and basking in ancient glories to notice the house burning down around them" it'd be outright hilarious, if it weren't so tragic.

Go on then, ban the uppity kids from "your" lawn. If you're so keen to drive user count to zero, might as well make it quick. For the love of dog, at least quit with the endless "In my day..." sanctimonious preaching.

trinidad · 2025-08-23 13:23:39

You really are some sort of sub-human mutation. It is people and who they are that matter not code. Devuan has always been about love of each other and Devuan. It was palpable and "shimmering" at the conference.

Good grief. Why is it that "shimmering" people machine gun you first and then spew their special ability to love at you. Such sociopathic self delusion is at the root of our polarized society.

Not that my generation didn't try to turn things around and I have personally spent decades engaged in that effort

The last generation that turned anything around was circa Harry Truman and Audie Murphy. Since then all succeeding generations in the educated West have been generations of bad science.

Now our species is rapidly devolving so probably best that Mother Nature will take care of the "human problem" before too long

"Devolving" is not a scientific term let alone a scientific possibility. Darwin was a novelist (and a nepotist) and we would have been far better off building a societal cult around Dostoevsky.

Mother Nature will take care of the "human problem" before too long

Mathematically not very likely. Most extinctions are humanly caused. Bad science bolstered by bad mathematics and nuclear power in the hands of "shimmering" sociopaths will probably nearly destroy us in the end, but humanity is probably more robust in the universe than people like you realize.

If it is your need and intention to spew your self deluded superiority at people you believe to be inferior at least try to do so intelligently. Go write a book. I'll read it, but you can be sure I'll critique it too.

gotta love the Gretas
TC

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ralph.ronnquist · 2025-08-23 13:35:14

How about we leave this thread here (without me actually closing it) as there is no value in adding opinions here one way or the other. If I get inspired I'll weed it and retain the technical matters for later.

zapper · 2025-08-24 05:30:53

Seems I missed a lot of banter from steve_v. I didn't think this thread would devolve so damn much...

Oof...

igorzwx · 2025-08-29 00:19:05

It is very Freudian. If one does not trust his senses, his love to human beings may look rather strange. He may need a sort of ideological instrument to distinguish between good and evil.

A disconnection from reality, a core Freudian concept, can manifest as unusual or distorted expressions of love and affection for other people. Trusting one's senses is fundamental to healthy perception and interaction

golinux · 2025-08-29 00:30:34

There is only seeing, hearing, smelling. tasting, touching and thinking. It is the last one that gets us into trouble.

igorzwx · 2025-08-29 01:28:06

The statement is not only questionable, but also harmful in the sense that it was designed to undermine one's trust in his ability to think.

golinux · 2025-08-29 02:41:22

That conclusion was realized in India over 2500 years ago. And yes, spinning out in discursive thinking is the problem and being present in a non-judgmental way in the present is the solution.

igorzwx · 2025-08-29 03:26:00

Not thinking leads to misunderstanding rather than to the state of Bodhisattva.

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