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#76 2023-04-21 15:32:58

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Re: Lennart Poettering (Systemd) Lands at Microsoft After Leaving Red Hat

Camtaf wrote:

But....if Linux gets too much more commercialized, I'll be going to the BSDs for my computers. big_smile

I like the best of both worlds.  At the moment I'm dual booting Slackware64-15.0 with OpenBSD 7.3 on my secondary PC.  OpenBSD plays nice with LILO.  My main PC is running Devuan 4.0.  I also like playing with FreeBSD and Void in VMs.
I generally like operating systems not polluted with systemd.  My choice to avoid systemd is not ideologically based, I take a pragmatic approach with OSs.  For me systemd hangs occasionally and it behaves in unexpected ways.  That  init system is unreliable.
I prefer sysvinit and runit.


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#77 2023-04-21 19:55:27

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Re: Lennart Poettering (Systemd) Lands at Microsoft After Leaving Red Hat

If it wasn't for this Wifi dongle that only recently got supported in the Linux kernel (its one of those nasty Realtek ones) I would still be using FreeBSD now. (Not throwing any shade on Devuan smile )

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#78 2023-05-11 00:01:52

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Re: Lennart Poettering (Systemd) Lands at Microsoft After Leaving Red Hat

hunter0one wrote:

If it wasn't for this Wifi dongle that only recently got supported in the Linux kernel (its one of those nasty Realtek ones) I would still be using FreeBSD now. (Not throwing any shade on Devuan smile )

Which one is that?

Is it usable only with free software?


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#79 2023-05-11 00:20:45

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Re: Lennart Poettering (Systemd) Lands at Microsoft After Leaving Red Hat

zapper wrote:

Which one is that?

Is it usable only with free software?

rtl8188fu. I wish but it needs firmware to function. Its supported by Linux 6.2 if CONFIG_RTL8XXXU_UNTESTED=y. Rather than using dkms I have built a 6.2+ kernel with support for it and placed the firmware in /lib/firmware/rtlwifi.

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#80 2023-05-11 02:27:10

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Re: Lennart Poettering (Systemd) Lands at Microsoft After Leaving Red Hat

hunter0one wrote:
zapper wrote:

Which one is that?

Is it usable only with free software?

rtl8188fu. I wish but it needs firmware to function. Its supported by Linux 6.2 if CONFIG_RTL8XXXU_UNTESTED=y. Rather than using dkms I have built a 6.2+ kernel with support for it and placed the firmware in /lib/firmware/rtlwifi.

So it requires proprietary firmware then eh...

Damn...


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#81 2023-05-11 11:01:52

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Re: Lennart Poettering (Systemd) Lands at Microsoft After Leaving Red Hat

Hello. How about this?

https://mastodon.social/@pid_eins/110272799283345055

In short, he planned to add a new method of rebooting: userspace only under the name "soft-reboot".

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#82 2023-05-11 12:49:37

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Re: Lennart Poettering (Systemd) Lands at Microsoft After Leaving Red Hat

Why does Mastodon require JS to view a piece of text? Thought it was supposed to be better than Twitter. :/

Anyhow, Seems appending /embed allows a non-JS version: //mastodon.social/@pid_eins/110272799283345055/embed

27 Apr 2023 21:03, Lennart Poettering wrote:

Here's a fun new feature we are working on in systemd: userspace-only reboot. In order to reduce grey-out times on image-based OS updates to next to nothing we are making a reboot happen where kernel stays as it is, but userspace shuts down as usual, then possibly transitions into a new rootfs, and starts up again with an initial transaction as it would on a classic system boot. During the transition selected services can pass along their fds and listening sockets, to pass "live" resources

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#83 2023-05-11 15:56:29

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Re: Lennart Poettering (Systemd) Lands at Microsoft After Leaving Red Hat

boughtonp wrote:

Why does Mastodon require JS to view a piece of text? Thought it was supposed to be better than Twitter. hmm

Hello. Because this is peace of crap.

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#84 2023-05-23 16:54:05

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Re: Lennart Poettering (Systemd) Lands at Microsoft After Leaving Red Hat

stopAI wrote:
boughtonp wrote:

Why does Mastodon require JS to view a piece of text? Thought it was supposed to be better than Twitter. hmm

Hello. Because this is peace of crap.

Really? What is a peace of crap?

I know what a piece of crap means, but peace of crap? Not sure.

big_smile


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#85 2023-10-06 16:05:11

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Re: Lennart Poettering (Systemd) Lands at Microsoft After Leaving Red Hat

Gone but still screwing up my life/linux...

I don't watch videos online generally, so didn't know, but wife wanted to listen to some music on youtube yesterday, so, quick backstory:

Still using Vuu-do I finished in early 2018, works great and very stable, but of course outdated and no repo anymore. Browser started having issues so found and downed a Firefox 116 appimage, works fine EXCEPT, it apparently requires friggin Pulseaudio to deliver sound, which does not exist on my beautiful pure ALSA system.

Got a lil geek fury going on right now, arrrrrgh. Stupid Mozilla. Audio works fine in Chromium without crappy pottyhead yuckware.


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#86 2023-10-06 17:13:36

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Re: Lennart Poettering (Systemd) Lands at Microsoft After Leaving Red Hat

greenjeans wrote:

Gone but still screwing up my life/linux...

I don't watch videos online generally, so didn't know, but wife wanted to listen to some music on youtube yesterday, so, quick backstory:

Still using Vuu-do I finished in early 2018, works great and very stable, but of course outdated and no repo anymore. Browser started having issues so found and downed a Firefox 116 appimage, works fine EXCEPT, it apparently requires friggin Pulseaudio to deliver sound, which does not exist on my beautiful pure ALSA system.

Got a lil geek fury going on right now, arrrrrgh. Stupid Mozilla. Audio works fine in Chromium without crappy pottyhead yuckware.

BRAAAAAaaaaa!

You can download and use Mozilla Firefox or Firefox ESR (without Pulsification) like this...

Make sure you have the REQUIRED libraries installed...

glibc 2.17 or higher
GTK+ 3.14 or higher
libstdc++ 4.8.1 or higher
X.Org 1.0 or higher (1.7 or higher is recommended)
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For sound in Firefox...

a) If you are using only alsa for sound, you will need to install apulse to have sound in Firefox. 

b) If you are using pulseaudio, sound should work automatically.
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Download and install Firefox...

1. Open a terminal, and cd into the folder where your download will be saved. For example...

cd Downloads

2. Download Firefox (or Firefox-ESR) 64 or 32 bit version. 

NOTE: To download the 32 bit version, change os=linux64 to os=linux in the command(s) below.

NOTE: If you need Firefox with a language other than English-US, find your language in the list at the bottom of this file, then substitute lang=en-US with your desired language in the command(s) below.  

To download Firefox, enter the following command...

wget "https://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-latest&os=linux64&lang=en-US" -O firefox.tar.bz2

To download Firefox-ESR, enter the following command...

wget "https://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-esr-latest&os=linux64&lang=en-US" -O firefox-esr.tar.bz2

3. Extract the file...

tar xjf firefox*.tar.bz2

4. Move the extracted firefox folder to /opt...

sudo mv firefox /opt/

5. Create a symlink to the Firefox executable...

sudo ln -s /opt/firefox/firefox /usr/bin/firefox

6. Create a Desktop File...

First, enter the following in the terminal to become root...

su

After becoming root, enter the following command...

cd /usr/local/share/applications

If that directory doesn't exist, create it...

mkdir /usr/local/share/applications

...then use the cd command again.  

Now enter the following command to create a desktop file...

nano firefox.desktop

If you are using alsa for sound, enter the following...

[Desktop Entry]
Version=1.0
Name=Firefox
Comment=Browse the World Wide Web
GenericName=Web Browser
Keywords=Internet;WWW;Browser;Web;Explorer
Exec=apulse firefox %u
Terminal=false
X-MultipleArgs=false
Type=Application
Icon=firefox
Categories=Network;
MimeType=text/html;text/xml;application/xhtml+xml;application/xml;application/rss+xml;application/rdf+xml;image/gif;image/jpeg;image/png;x-scheme-handler/http;x-scheme-handler/https;x-scheme-handler/ftp;x-scheme-handler/chrome;video/webm;application/x-xpinstall;
StartupNotify=true

If you are using pulseaudio for sound, remove apulse from... 

Exec=apulse firefox %u 

so that it looks like this...

Exec=firefox %u

Save the file and close nano with the following 3 actions...

Ctrl + x
y
Enter

Firefox should now be installed and available in your menu.

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For other languages replace 'lang=en-US' with...

   Acholi                     lang=ach
   Afrikaans                  lang=af
   Albanian                   lang=sq
   Arabic                     lang=ar
   Aragonese                  lang=an
   Armenian                   lang=hy-AM
   Assamese                   lang=as
   Asturian                   lang=ast
   Azerbaijani                lang=az
   Basque                     lang=eu
   Belarusian                 lang=be
   Bengali (Bangladesh)       lang=bn-BD
   Bengali (India)            lang=bn-IN
   Bosnian                    lang=bs
   Breton                     lang=br
   Bulgarian                  lang=bg
   Catalan                    lang=ca
   Chinese (Simplified)       lang=zh-CN
   Chinese (Traditional)      lang=zh-TW
   Croatian                   lang=hr
   Czech                      lang=cs
   Danish                     lang=da
   Dutch                      lang=nl
   English (British)          lang=en-GB
   English (South African)    lang=en-ZA
   Esperanto                  lang=eo
   Estonian                   lang=et
   Finnish                    lang=fi
   French                     lang=fr
   Frisian                    lang=fy-NL
   Fulah                      lang=ff
   Gaelic (Scotland)          lang=gd
   Galician                   lang=gl
   German                     lang=de
   Greek                      lang=el
   Gujarati (India)           lang=gu-IN
   Hebrew                     lang=he
   Hindi (India)              lang=hi-IN
   Hungarian                  lang=hu
   Icelandic                  lang=is
   Indonesian                 lang=id
   Irish                      lang=ga-IE
   Italian                    lang=it
   Kannada                    lang=kn
   Kazakh                     lang=kk
   Khmer                      lang=km
   Korean                     lang=ko
   Latvian                    lang=lv
   Ligurian                   lang=lij
   Lithuanian                 lang=lt
   Lower Sorbian              lang=dsb
   Macedonian                 lang=mk
   Maithili                   lang=mai
   Malay                      lang=ms
   Malayalam                  lang=ml
   Marathi                    lang=mr
   Norwegian (Bokmål)        lang=nb-NO
   Norwegian (Nynorsk)        lang=nn-NO
   Oriya                      lang=or
   Persian                    lang=fa
   Polish                     lang=pl
   Portuguese (Brazilian)     lang=pt-BR
   Portuguese (Portugal)      lang=pt-PT
   Punjabi (India)            lang=pa-IN
   Romanian                   lang=ro
   Romansh                    lang=rm
   Russian                    lang=ru
   Serbian                    lang=sr
   Sinhala                    lang=si
   Slovak                     lang=sk
   Slovenian                  lang=sl
   Songhai                    lang=son
   Spanish (Argentina)        lang=es-AR
   Spanish (Chile)            lang=es-CL
   Spanish (Mexico)           lang=es-MX
   Spanish (Spain)            lang=es-ES
   Swedish                    lang=sv-SE
   Tamil                      lang=ta
   Telugu                     lang=te
   Thai                       lang=th
   Turkish                    lang=tr
   Ukrainian                  lang=uk
   Upper Sorbian              lang=hsb
   Uzbek                      lang=uz
   Vietnamese                 lang=vi
   Welsh                      lang=cy
   Xhosa                      lang=xh

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#87 2023-10-06 18:31:07

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Re: Lennart Poettering (Systemd) Lands at Microsoft After Leaving Red Hat

Ah. So you do full-post quotes here as well. Stop it!

It unnecessarily increases server space, load & network travel-times. Thread viewers other than you hate it & are forced to plough through acres of duplicate content. Search engines mark down sites that suffer from it. It may well bloat your ego but it is bloating this site as well, and only demonstrates your childish inability to edit down any quote to the essentials that you wish to highlight.

Just stop it, please.

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#88 2023-10-06 19:50:22

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Re: Lennart Poettering (Systemd) Lands at Microsoft After Leaving Red Hat

alexkemp wrote:

Ah. So you do full-post quotes here as well. Stop it!

It unnecessarily increases server space, load & network travel-times. Thread viewers other than you hate it & are forced to plough through acres of duplicate content. Search engines mark down sites that suffer from it. It may well bloat your ego but it is bloating this site as well, and only demonstrates your childish inability to edit down any quote to the essentials that you wish to highlight.

Just stop it, please.

Okay. I've tried to be kind with you despite how you've treated me, I've tried to be respectful, but you seem to have an issue with me.

Yes, I "full-post" quoted you.

What's your deal man?

Are you an administrator of this forum?

If so, then I will stop "full-post quoting" per your obnoxious, pompous, self-grandiose request. Else, if an actual administrator of this forum asks me to stop "full-post quoting", I will.

However, if you're not an administrator of this forum, then shut the hell up.

Here's another "Full-post quote" for you to have another nervous-jerkdown about...

alexkemp wrote:

Ah. So you do full-post quotes here as well. Stop it!

It unnecessarily increases server space, load & network travel-times. Thread viewers other than you hate it & are forced to plough through acres of duplicate content. Search engines mark down sites that suffer from it. It may well bloat your ego but it is bloating this site as well, and only demonstrates your childish inability to edit down any quote to the essentials that you wish to highlight.

Just stop it, please.

tongue

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#89 2023-10-06 20:15:21

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Re: Lennart Poettering (Systemd) Lands at Microsoft After Leaving Red Hat

I just noticed, stopai is banned, I didn't know anyone from devuan forums was banned...

Btw,  as for you alexkemp,

it does seem a tad over the top your request. If what the amnesiac philospher was doing was such a huge problem I am sure golinux would have said something by now...

Kind of seems like you are barking up the wrong tree.


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#90 2023-10-06 20:46:56

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Re: Lennart Poettering (Systemd) Lands at Microsoft After Leaving Red Hat

fwiw, on the subject of "full posting", I'm totally with Alex; I tried once or twice to make "you kids" aware of its disruptiveness for the reader, but had as much luck as Alex.

But as we know, kiddies do what kiddies do, and simple things like showing consideration  e.g. for people needing screenreaders, or just generally finding the useless repetition bothersome, appears to be outside of the attention span.

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#91 2023-10-06 23:28:39

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Re: Lennart Poettering (Systemd) Lands at Microsoft After Leaving Red Hat

ralph.ronnquist wrote:

fwiw, on the subject of "full posting", I'm totally with Alex;

Very well, and thank you Ralph.

To be fully honest, I never knew that it was an issue. I never even thought about it.

It won't happen again.

Thank you for your kind reproof.

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#92 2023-11-03 16:36:32

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Re: Lennart Poettering (Systemd) Lands at Microsoft After Leaving Red Hat

And now Chromium also requires pulse as does the MATE desktop environment.....arrrgh....not sure apulse will fix all that.

VLC still wants it, but in fact only needs libpulse0, and that just for communicating with other machines on the LAN that use pulse, which we don't. Wonder if it's something similar for FF, Chromium, and MATE?

Why do the people who code this stuff keep catering to that microsoft idiot and his vapidware?


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#93 2023-11-05 04:29:27

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Re: Lennart Poettering (Systemd) Lands at Microsoft After Leaving Red Hat

The only reason people cater to microsoft, is greed and stupidity...

Although, they mostly are a part of the same package.

Microsoft is the definition of:

Security? what's that? We just install a lot of backdoors in our system and when people complain we pretend they don't exist and mine their info despite the risk that we could kill the planet with our data centers!

And then we say, what could possibly go wrong like a bunch of greedy egomaniacs ...


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#94 2023-11-05 17:06:35

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Re: Lennart Poettering (Systemd) Lands at Microsoft After Leaving Red Hat

greenjeans wrote:

And now Chromium also requires pulse as does the MATE desktop environment.....arrrgh....not sure apulse will fix all that.

VLC still wants it, but in fact only needs libpulse0,

I did not know this. What versions of Mate and VLC require it? There was an update just today for VLC and Chromium, which I installed before seeing this. So I went back to Synaptic and did a search for "pulse" and this is what I have installed:

gstreamer1.0-pulseaudio
libpulse-mainloop-glib0
libpulse0

While I have apulse installed, "PulseAudio" itself is not.

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#95 2023-11-05 17:39:18

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Re: Lennart Poettering (Systemd) Lands at Microsoft After Leaving Red Hat

Yeah I have pulse installed, default install threw it in there, and I haven't messed with it yet. Mate version is 1.26.0, VLC is version before today's update.

gstreamer1.0-pulseaudio is actually not installed on my system. Sound seems to be working okay, had to install another package for Exaile to work properly (python3-dbus).

It's actually vlc-plugin-base that wants libpulse0, but VLC works normally without it as I dummy'ed it out on last system, was only required for communicating with other machines on the LAN that use pulse, but I never needed that functionality.


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