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steve_v

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Registered: 2018-01-11

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Re: [SOLVED] No audio on Excalibur through pipewire on KDE wayland

mildly fun way to do something I can work on for myself, although even if I do, it wont be soon.

Yeah, figuring it out was kinda fun while it lasted. Now that OpenRC has user-services, I expect that's the way I'll go next time I feel like messing with it.

IMO, for all its other flaws, systemd user-units aren't inherently a bad idea. The trick is, as usual, implementing something comparable without falling into the same scope-creep tarpit.
Devuan is going to need a generic solution sooner or later, if they're willing to embrace OpenRC as a first-class (or even default) init system, it can just be leeched off Gentoo and the solution already in testing.
If they want to cling to sysvinit as the default, we need something else... Which will likely have to be a Devuan project or a colab with Slackware, since pretty much everyone else has moved on from pure sysv.

At the very least, shipping an interim launcher in shell (aka. nicking gentoo-pipewire-launcher) and packaging some simple xdg-autostart files that work with common DEs would go a long way to alleviating the "I installed the default KDE desktop and stuff doesn't work" pain. It's not exactly a lot of work either.

self contradictory statement

Yeah, and for what it's worth I'm not usually quite as confrontational as I have been lately... This pattern from the admin(s) has been going on a long while, and today I just had a gutsfull of it.
Sorry that it was your intro to this board and all that.

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brocashelm

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Registered: 2020-06-29

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Re: [SOLVED] No audio on Excalibur through pipewire on KDE wayland

All I will say is that I'm quite surprised this dumpster fire of a thread is STILL GOING (long after the issue had been marked as solved), when that "joke" thread has been locked not one, but two times already -- and all it took for the latter action was an undesirable regular getting shit on. Greenjeans and I were the only ones who actually posted content that WAS on-topic, instead of dad "jokes" or back-and-forth pessimistic arguing.

steve_v

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Re: [SOLVED] No audio on Excalibur through pipewire on KDE wayland

pessimistic arguing

Wait, this isn't this go and ralph's pessimistic arguing club? I must have taken a wrong turn somewhere, I swear that's what thesign on the door said...

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radiatedradio

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Registered: 2025-08-19

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Re: [SOLVED] No audio on Excalibur through pipewire on KDE wayland

Devuan is going to need a generic solution sooner or later, if they're willing to embrace OpenRC as a first-class (or even default) init system, it can just be leeched off Gentoo and the solution already in testing.
If they want to cling to sysvinit as the default, we need something else... Which will likely have to be a Devuan project or a colab with Slackware, since pretty much everyone else has moved on from pure sysv.

Other than gentoo being mostly openrc 1st, devuan, artix etc. are all very fragmented in this way. And I think the people who use these kinds of distros want the choice between init systems, even if it comes with fixing stuff, but that doesn't really excuse a by-default broken desktop IMO. But I would also expect most people running these kinds of setups to not use wayland or pipewire, just the "tried and true method that worked on my box since 1997", which is also not what new users would (usually) want. This is my 1st time using wayland and pipewire too, I've always been on X, and for some reason I expected it to work (I don't know why).

brocashelm

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Re: [SOLVED] No audio on Excalibur through pipewire on KDE wayland

Wait, this isn't this go and ralph's pessimistic arguing club? I must have taken a wrong turn somewhere, I swear that's what thesign on the door said...

Probably will be now, since I'm quoting your entire post. Whoops.

steve_v

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Re: [SOLVED] No audio on Excalibur through pipewire on KDE wayland

Wayland/pipewire does just work on other non-systemd distros. Not wanting to run systemd does tend to go well with avoiding modern software trends generally, but it's really not a package deal so-to-speak.
I'm running a bleeding-edge Gentoo openrc install, with X11 and pipewire. There's nothing mutually exclusive there, and mixing-and-matching your preferred components is a tradition as old as GNU/Linux itself. It's not even a particularly unusual combination as gentoo installs go.

If Devuan goes down the "reject anything new" path that certain voices seem to be pushing around here, all that is going to happen is a slow fade into irrelevance.

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steve_v

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Re: [SOLVED] No audio on Excalibur through pipewire on KDE wayland

I'm quoting your entire post.

You full-quoted a post? Do you realise what you've done?

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brocashelm

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Re: [SOLVED] No audio on Excalibur through pipewire on KDE wayland

You full-quoted a post? Do you realise what you've done?

Yup, doing it again. Next, I'm sure, is the deprecation of text highlighting...

Those poor, poor bits and bytes that could've been used for more whining instead.

steve_v

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Re: [SOLVED] No audio on Excalibur through pipewire on KDE wayland

I'm quoting your entire post.

You full-quoted a post? Do you realise what you've done?

Yup, doing it again. Next, I'm sure, is the deprecation of text highlighting...

Those poor, poor bits and bytes that could've been used for more whining instead.

Aww, nesting only goes 3 deep, this board is no fun. *waits patiently for fun-police*

Maybe we have to say his name thrice or something?
...Or it's just nap time.

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ralph.ronnquist

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Registered: 2016-11-30

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Re: [SOLVED] No audio on Excalibur through pipewire on KDE wayland

Yes.
Print it out, frame it and hang up on the wall.
Then you can show your kids and grand kids how adults do things.