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#1 2024-01-07 21:04:54

Aliz24
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[SOLVED] Software MGR Doesn't Update Software & Software Isn't Found

Hi!

Before I put in a bug report I wanted to check in here first and see what our Devuan users have to say first.

When launching the Software Manager there is not any software listed and searching for software is not found.
I expected the software to be listed to install what I needed.

What I observed was the Update for the software shows at the top of the Software Manager however; upon selecting the Update, the update then downloads and prompts to restart the system.
Upon restarting the system, it does not perform the update.
I expected the Update to be applied to the system and it failed to do so.

I looked in /etc for the .config for the software manager. From what I can tell it doesn't exist.
Looking in the /home directory under the hidden files I discovered that there isn't a .config for the software manager either.

The current kernel of my fresh install of Devuan Daedalus 5.0 is kernel 6.1.0-17-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian 6.1.69-1 .
To update/upgrade the system I had to use elevated privileges via the command line to do so.

Any thoughts or ideas on this?

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#2 2024-01-07 21:27:33

rolfie
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Re: [SOLVED] Software MGR Doesn't Update Software & Software Isn't Found

Which DE do you use? Is that KDE? Or something else?

Well, I am used to only use the console for updating my Devuan systems. I have a root terminal configured, and I am just entering:

# apt update
# apt full-upgrade 
# apt update 

Only once in a while I am using Synaptic as a graphics tool to search for packages. Works perfectly.

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#3 2024-01-07 21:40:57

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Re: [SOLVED] Software MGR Doesn't Update Software & Software Isn't Found

What exactly is this "Software Manager" that you are talking about? There are so many variations for Daedalus that it is almost impossible to know what you are talking about unless you specify things exactly. Here is a way for you to do some of that:

Open a terminal & type the following (you may need to do a $ sudo apt install neofetch first) (the '$' assumes that you are using a non-root terminal; if sudo is not installed on your system and/or you do not know how to use it, you will need to become root to install anything since all such operations require you to be root). Copy the results & post them in a [ code ] block here:

$ neofetch
   ..,,;;;::;,..                   alexk@ng3 
           `':ddd;:,.              --------- 
                 `'dPPd:,.         OS: Devuan GNU/Linux 5 (daedalus) x86_64 
                     `:b$$b`.      Model: 90BJ008CUK Lenovo H30-05 
                        'P$$$d`    Kernel: 6.1.0-17-amd64 
                         .$$$$$`   Uptime: 3 days, 10 hours, 49 mins 
                         ;$$$$$P   Packages: 3068 (dpkg) 
                      .:P$$$$$$`   Shell: bash 5.2.15 
                  .,:b$$$$$$$;'    Resolution: 1366x768 
             .,:dP$$$$$$$$b:'      DE: Xfce 4.18 
      .,:;db$$$$$$$$$$Pd'`         WM: Xfwm4 
 ,db$$$$$$$$$$$$$$b:'`             WM Theme: Default 
:$$$$$$$$$$$$b:'`                  Theme: Clearlooks-Phenix-Sapphire [GTK2] 
 `$$$$$bd:''`                      Icons: oxygen [GTK2] 
   `'''`                           Terminal: xfce4-terminal 
                                   Terminal Font: Monospace 12 
                                   CPU: AMD A8-7410 APU with AMD Radeon R5 Graphics (4) @ 2.200GHz 
                                   GPU: AMD ATI Radeon R4/R5 Graphics 
                                   Memory: 2542MiB / 7356MiB

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#4 2024-01-08 00:41:38

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Re: [SOLVED] Software MGR Doesn't Update Software & Software Isn't Found

Here's an alternative information gatherer; also operated from a terminal; show results from one of these & others will understand better your system & be able to give better help & advice:

$ inxi -b
System:
  Host: ng3 Kernel: 6.1.0-17-amd64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: Xfce
    v: 4.18.1 Distro: Devuan GNU/Linux 5 (daedalus)
Machine:
  Type: Desktop System: LENOVO product: 90BJ008CUK v: Lenovo H30-05
    serial: <superuser required>
  Mobo: LENOVO model: N/A v: SDK0J40700 WIN serial: <superuser required>
    UEFI: LENOVO v: O1WKT25AUS date: 10/29/2015
CPU:
  Info: quad core AMD A8-7410 APU with AMD Radeon R5 Graphics [MCP]
    speed (MHz): avg: 999 min/max: 1000/2200
Graphics:
  Device-1: AMD Mullins [Radeon R4/R5 Graphics] driver: radeon v: kernel
  Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.21.1.7 driver: X: loaded: radeon
    unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa dri: radeonsi gpu: radeon
    resolution: 1366x768~60Hz
  API: OpenGL v: 4.5 Mesa 22.3.6 renderer: KABINI ( LLVM 15.0.6 DRM 2.50
    6.1.0-17-amd64)
Network:
  Device-1: Qualcomm Atheros QCA9565 / AR9565 Wireless Network Adapter
    driver: ath9k
  Device-2: Realtek RTL810xE PCI Express Fast Ethernet driver: r8169
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 931.51 GiB used: 785.39 GiB (84.3%)
Info:
  Processes: 200 Uptime: 3d 13h 58m Memory: 7.18 GiB used: 2.89 GiB (40.2%)
  Shell: Bash inxi: 3.3.26

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#5 2024-01-08 00:42:15

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Re: [SOLVED] Software MGR Doesn't Update Software & Software Isn't Found

I'm using the X-Cinnamon 5.6..8.

I tried to install GIMP using Synaptic Package Manager.
Gimp did not appear in my Menu at all. So I rebooted to see if that helped.
Gimp is still not anywhere on the system or in the Main Menu.

During the installation I created a password for the user and a password for root for administrative tasks.
I don't use sudo.

Last edited by Aliz24 (2024-01-08 00:45:09)

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#6 2024-01-08 01:09:36

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Re: [SOLVED] Software MGR Doesn't Update Software & Software Isn't Found

Link to the picture of the Software MGR

https://www.pinterest.com/Alexmockly/devuan/

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#7 2024-01-08 03:41:51

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Re: [SOLVED] Software MGR Doesn't Update Software & Software Isn't Found

ttps://www.ghacks.net/2018/02/17/linux-mint-software-manager/

tl;dr:
Tip: Run sudo apt-get update on the command line to update the repository before you open the Software Manager on your Linux Mint device.

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#8 2024-01-08 09:37:42

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Re: [SOLVED] Software MGR Doesn't Update Software & Software Isn't Found

Aliz24 wrote:

$ inxi -b
Gimp did not appear in my Menu at all

In that case your sources.list is broken.

What's your problem with using neofetch or inxi?

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#9 2024-01-08 09:38:01

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Re: [SOLVED] Software MGR Doesn't Update Software & Software Isn't Found

I tried to install GIMP using Synaptic Package Manager.

On Cinnamon Synaptic should work fine when the sources.list is setup correctly.

GIMP will show up in the Graphics section as Gnu Image Manipulation Program.

Please show us a

 $ cat /etc/apt/sources.list 

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#10 2024-01-09 00:54:11

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Re: [SOLVED] Software MGR Doesn't Update Software & Software Isn't Found

Since Synaptic didn't install Gimp properly I used the command-line to install Gimp. It's running very well!

$ inxi -b
System:
  Host: devartbox Kernel: 6.1.0-17-amd64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64
    Desktop: Cinnamon v: 5.6.8 Distro: Devuan GNU/Linux 5 (daedalus)

Here's my sources.list:

#deb cdrom:[Devuan GNU/Linux 5.0.1 daedalus amd64 - desktop 20230914]/ daedalus contrib main non-free non-free-firmware

deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus main non-free-firmware
deb-src http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus main non-free-firmware

deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-security main non-free-firmware
deb-src http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-security main non-free-firmware

# daedalus-updates, to get updates before a point release is made;
# see https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_updates_and_backports
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-updates main non-free-firmware
deb-src http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-updates main non-free-firmware

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#11 2024-01-09 10:46:08

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Re: [SOLVED] Software MGR Doesn't Update Software & Software Isn't Found

Your sources differ slightly from what is advised (missing non-free). I have zero idea how important that may be, but for the record (and thanks for the inxi snippet):

$ head -5 /etc/apt/sources.list
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus                  main non-free-firmware non-free contrib
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-updates          main non-free-firmware non-free contrib
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-security         main non-free-firmware non-free contrib
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-proposed-updates main non-free-firmware non-free contrib
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-backports        main non-free-firmware non-free contrib

If you are *really* paranoid, don't try this one:

$ grep ^[^#] /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
/etc/apt/sources.list:deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus                  main non-free-firmware non-free contrib
/etc/apt/sources.list:deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-updates          main non-free-firmware non-free contrib
/etc/apt/sources.list:deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-security         main non-free-firmware non-free contrib
/etc/apt/sources.list:deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-proposed-updates main non-free-firmware non-free contrib
/etc/apt/sources.list:deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-backports        main non-free-firmware non-free contrib
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/josm.list:deb https://josm.openstreetmap.de/apt/ alldist universe

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#12 2024-01-09 12:32:08

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Re: [SOLVED] Software MGR Doesn't Update Software & Software Isn't Found

The recommended sources.list for Daedalus is this:

deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus          main
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-updates  main
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-security main

Adding non-free-firmware repository is useful if used by the hardware in question.

Adding non-free and contrib are NOT needed.

Gimp is in the main repository.


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#13 2024-01-09 17:19:06

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Re: [SOLVED] Software MGR Doesn't Update Software & Software Isn't Found

@alexkemp and @boughtonp thank you both so much.

I changed my sources.list to reflect what you posted in post #12.

Here's the output of

devartbox:~$ head -5 /etc/apt/sources.list
#deb cdrom:[Devuan GNU/Linux 5.0.1 daedalus amd64 - desktop 20230914]/ daedalus contrib main non-free non-free-firmware

deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus          main
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-updates  main
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-security main

Thanks for the heads up on non-free and contrib are not needed.

After changing my sources list there is a complaint about target packages listed multiple times.
If I understand correctly I only need one entry in my sources.list and I need to edit it again and fix that. Right?

root@devartbox:~# apt update
Hit:1 http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus InRelease
Hit:2 http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-updates InRelease
Hit:3 http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-security InRelease
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
All packages are up to date.
W: Target Packages (main/binary-amd64/Packages) is configured multiple times in /etc/apt/sources.list:3 and /etc/apt/sources.list:12
W: Target Packages (main/binary-all/Packages) is configured multiple times in /etc/apt/sources.list:3 and /etc/apt/sources.list:12
W: Target Translations (main/i18n/Translation-en_US) is configured multiple times in /etc/apt/sources.list:3 and /etc/apt/sources.list:12
W: Target Translations (main/i18n/Translation-en) is configured multiple times in /etc/apt/sources.list:3 and /etc/apt/sources.list:12
W: Target DEP-11 (main/dep11/Components-amd64.yml) is configured multiple times in /etc/apt/sources.list:3 and /etc/apt/sources.list:12

Last edited by Aliz24 (2024-01-09 17:25:41)

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#14 2024-01-09 17:33:11

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Re: [SOLVED] Software MGR Doesn't Update Software & Software Isn't Found

Fixing the sources.list to the best of my ability here is what my /etc/apt/sources.list looks like now.

deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus          main
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-updates  main
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-security main

# daedalus-updates, to get updates before a point release is made;
# see https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_updates_and_backports

deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-updates main non-free-firmware
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus main non-free-firmware
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-security main non-free-firmware

Is this ok now?

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#15 2024-01-09 17:52:30

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Re: [SOLVED] Software MGR Doesn't Update Software & Software Isn't Found

No. daedalus main is present in line #1 and line #9 (counting every single line including the ones without contents). The order of the first 3 and last 3 lines is slightly different, but since parts of the info is present twice you get the warning.

I would recommend to add "contrib non-free non-free-firmware" to the first 3 lines for the full daedalus repos, and to delete all the rest from line 5 to the end. One empty line is required on the end of the file. I am running my PCs this way.

deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-updates main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-security main contrib non-free non-free-firmware 

Some reading about the sources.list: https://www.devuan.org/os/packages

Last edited by rolfie (2024-01-09 17:54:41)

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#16 2024-01-09 18:10:54

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Re: [SOLVED] Software MGR Doesn't Update Software & Software Isn't Found

Thanks @rolfie I think my sources.list is good now.

devartbox:~$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list
#deb cdrom:[Devuan GNU/Linux 5.0.1 daedalus amd64 - desktop 20230914]/ daedalus contrib main non-free non-free-firmware

deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-updates main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-security main contrib non-free non-free-firmware 

Last edited by Aliz24 (2024-01-09 18:11:29)

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#17 2024-01-09 18:21:35

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Re: [SOLVED] Software MGR Doesn't Update Software & Software Isn't Found

No error now when I run apt update or apt upgrade so that's good.

The Update MGR still isn't working no matter what I try to look for (Shutter) by typing the name of the program or software in.
I posted the screenshots on Pinterest.

https://www.pinterest.com/Alexmockly/devuan/
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/652881277257903173

It looks like any software that I need I'll have to use the command-line is that right?

Last edited by Aliz24 (2024-01-09 18:23:22)

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#18 2024-01-09 18:39:16

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Re: [SOLVED] Software MGR Doesn't Update Software & Software Isn't Found

Ok, your sources.list seems to be fine by now.

This Shutter definitely is no Cinnamon application, haven't got it here.

Try to get used to the console, or have a look at Synaptic.

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#19 2024-01-09 19:00:49

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Re: [SOLVED] Software MGR Doesn't Update Software & Software Isn't Found

I will support my colleague @rolfie.

Trinity DE also has its own package management program, KPackage.
It is quite functional, it can even search for a package by file name, install the downloaded package, etc.
But sometimes it also cannot find the package in the repository, although Synaptic works without problems.

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#20 2024-01-09 19:12:25

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Re: [SOLVED] Software MGR Doesn't Update Software & Software Isn't Found

Thank you rolfie for your time and assistance.

And, aluma thanks for the suggestion. I may give the Trinity DE a spin. Gnome and Cinnamon are my favorites.

I don't mind using the command-line, however, I would like to get the Software MGR working.

Any ideas on how I'd get that to work properly?

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#21 2024-01-09 19:25:52

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Re: [SOLVED] Software MGR Doesn't Update Software & Software Isn't Found

@Aliz24
The point here is rather not in a specific DE, Synaptic is a GUI for the command line, allows you to edit repositories and is tested by developers. If I may, Synaptic is the main course, and the beautiful programs in DE are the dessert. smile

Regards.

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#22 2024-01-09 20:03:28

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Re: [SOLVED] Software MGR Doesn't Update Software & Software Isn't Found

What you call SoftwareMGR is no Cinnamon package. Can't find a trace in Synaptic. You need to dig the WWW yourself for its origin and the boundary conditions it requires to work.

My advise: use Synaptic, that works on every of the large DEs.

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#23 2024-01-10 02:08:22

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Re: [SOLVED] Software MGR Doesn't Update Software & Software Isn't Found

If Synaptic isn't what you're looking for, consider installing Software Center for GNOME.

Installation:

sudo apt install gnome-software

And if you're interested in having Flatpak support, then:

sudo apt install gnome-software gnome-software-plugin-flatpak

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#24 2024-01-10 02:27:27

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Re: [SOLVED] Software MGR Doesn't Update Software & Software Isn't Found

Thank you all very much for your time and assistance.

I'll have to find out how to install the Trinity DE.

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#25 2024-01-10 02:35:22

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Re: [SOLVED] Software MGR Doesn't Update Software & Software Isn't Found

@Aliz24 . . . Did you know that one of our derivatives is EXE GNU/LINUX (Devuan GNU/Linux with Trinity Desktop)?!

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