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#26 2022-11-15 01:18:37

deepforest
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Re: Can you suggest some tips and tricks for speed up Devuan?

Here https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=38617#p38617
what services is safe to disable?
sysv here, rc-update not found but update-rc.d works

I use openrc init,

How switch Devuan to openrc? And is it safe to swich? What is faster sysv or openrc?

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#27 2022-11-15 02:42:58

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Re: Can you suggest some tips and tricks for speed up Devuan?

On sysvinit you can use sysv-rc-conf to enable and disable services.

sudo sysv-rc-conf

Make sure you know what the different runlevels are, or learn them. They are fairly simple, but important.

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#28 2022-11-15 04:57:08

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Re: Can you suggest some tips and tricks for speed up Devuan?

I like open-rc because it's faily simple to manage.

I don't know if it's faster or more customable, I have little experiences with runit and a few others.

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#29 2022-11-15 06:54:51

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Re: Can you suggest some tips and tricks for speed up Devuan?

golinux wrote:

Ceres is always fluid and unstable. It never freezes.

Debian sid certainly freezes. There may be a few package updates but not many. At least in my recent experience.

EDIT: to change from sysvinit to openrc use

# apt install openrc

But that will still use sysvinit as PID1. To use openrc-init as PID1 see https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2788.

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#30 2022-11-15 08:17:48

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Re: Can you suggest some tips and tricks for speed up Devuan?

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
golinux wrote:

Ceres is always fluid and unstable. It never freezes.

Debian sid certainly freezes. There may be a few package updates but not many. At least in my recent experience.

this.
sid also "freezes". no updates coming in while testing freezes to become stable. exception might be some last RC updates, but even that, stop completely a few days prior to release.

and sid is not always fluid and unstable. most of the time it's pretty stable, but oh well, not always. (and stable is not always stable either..)
for those wanting to try sid/ceres, keep backups at all times.for that moment something breaks in sid, you'll certainly want a backup available.

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#31 2022-11-15 08:21:21

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Re: Can you suggest some tips and tricks for speed up Devuan?

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
deepforest wrote:

I am on Ceres almost year and nothing is broke yet.

Give it time big_smile

i'm on sid/ceres for more than 15years and will never change it tongue

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

And enjoy the massively outdated packages during the upcoming freeze. The Debian devs sometimes even leave critical bugs unfixed in the development branches until the release is done...

oh come on, having more outdated packages than stable is never true for sid.. (testing having newer packages prior to release, might) ;-)

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#32 2022-11-15 08:25:12

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Re: Can you suggest some tips and tricks for speed up Devuan?

xinomilo wrote:

i'm on sid/ceres for more than 15years

That's very commendable. I've had my Arch box break twice in the last few weeks and I'm very close to jumping ship and returning to Debian stable + Liquorix kernel. I'm a coward big_smile


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#33 2022-11-15 09:35:10

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Re: Can you suggest some tips and tricks for speed up Devuan?

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

To use openrc-init as PID1 see https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2788.

Thanks. Question? Is it have a secnse? Switching to openrc give me speed and overall system responcivness ?

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#34 2022-11-15 09:38:12

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Re: Can you suggest some tips and tricks for speed up Devuan?

xinomilo wrote:

for those wanting to try sid/ceres, keep backups at all times.for that moment something breaks in sid, you'll certainly want a backup available.

Thanks! Please give me advice. And what exactly need to backup? How do you this? And how restore is system broke?

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#35 2022-11-15 09:40:22

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Re: Can you suggest some tips and tricks for speed up Devuan?

I very much doubt a change in PID1 would be noticeable.

I prefer openrc-init & runit-init as PID1 over systemd or sysvinit but only because of their small code base compared to the alternatives (especially systemd). My Alpine system performs identically with either busybox or openrc-init as PID1, the only difference I can detect are in the boot messages.


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#36 2022-11-15 16:37:48

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Re: Can you suggest some tips and tricks for speed up Devuan?

xinomilo wrote:
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
golinux wrote:

Ceres is always fluid and unstable. It never freezes.

Debian sid certainly freezes. There may be a few package updates but not many. At least in my recent experience.

this.
sid also "freezes". no updates coming in while testing freezes to become stable. exception might be some last RC updates, but even that, stop completely a few days prior to release.

I stand corrected by those who swim in those waters.  big_smile

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#37 2022-11-15 20:08:48

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Re: Can you suggest some tips and tricks for speed up Devuan?

If we talk about the speed of different releases without systemd, then subjectively, the fastest, with the same version of DE , PCLinuxOS works for me.

It's not a competitor to Devuan, just a roling release, a rollback is possible if you took a snapshot before the update, but all the latest innovations appear in the repo immediately.

In general, if you are bored, it is quite possible to try. smile

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#38 2022-11-16 02:40:17

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Re: Can you suggest some tips and tricks for speed up Devuan?

aluma wrote:

If we talk about the speed of different releases without systemd, then subjectively, the fastest, with the same version of DE , PCLinuxOS works for me.

It's not a competitor to Devuan, just a roling release, a rollback is possible if you took a snapshot before the update, but all the latest innovations appear in the repo immediately.

In general, if you are bored, it is quite possible to try. smile

I am offended at pclinuxos. I am somthing ask at their forum and they baned me without any reasons. My nick is Procenko on pclinuxos forum.

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#39 2022-11-16 02:58:33

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Re: Can you suggest some tips and tricks for speed up Devuan?

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

But that will still use sysvinit as PID1. To use openrc-init as PID1 see https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2788.

It to hard for me while. I am not have knowledge for this 80th lvl magic. Please, can you give me easier instuctions? Or explain those:)

upd

and why not this your manual?
https://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=134915

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#40 2022-11-16 06:44:34

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Re: Can you suggest some tips and tricks for speed up Devuan?

deepforest wrote:

It to hard for me

Just leave it then. It doesn't make any real difference anyway.

deepforest wrote:

and why not this your manual?

I can't post there any more. Those forums are no longer cool enough for me.


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#41 2022-11-16 16:54:09

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Re: Can you suggest some tips and tricks for speed up Devuan?

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Just leave it then. It doesn't make any real difference anyway..

I want to hope that after switch to OpenRC Devuan is will fast like Artix. Why Devuan is so slow compare to Artix for me?

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

I can't post there any more. Those forums are no longer cool enough for me.

And what is cool for you now?

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#42 2022-11-16 17:05:56

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Re: Can you suggest some tips and tricks for speed up Devuan?

Install openrc

apt install openrc

other according this instruction https://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=134915

freeartist@devuan:~$ cat /proc/1/comm
openrc-init
freeartist@devuan:~$ 

Overall performance not change. All the same laggy and rubber(

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#43 2022-11-16 19:17:26

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Re: Can you suggest some tips and tricks for speed up Devuan?

deepforest wrote:

Why Devuan is so slow compare to Artix for me?

https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware?

deepforest wrote:

And what is cool for you now?

Anywhere you see me, baby 💋

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#44 2022-11-16 20:54:16

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Re: Can you suggest some tips and tricks for speed up Devuan?

deepforest wrote:

I am offended at pclinuxos. I am somthing ask at their forum and they baned me without any reasons. My nick is Procenko on pclinuxos forum.

These are emotions (my experience of forums since 2005).
By registering, we agree with the rules of the hosts, we don’t like it, what prevents us from creating our own and commanding? smile

But seriously, here is the size of the vmlinuz kernel 5.18xxx
OpenSuse 15.3 ( systemd )  10.1MB
Devuan 7.2 MB
PCLinuxOS 6.1 MB.

In addition to everything suggested above, I can only add turning off rsyslog.
But the result of 1 ... 2% cannot be compared, for example, with the result when replacing a hard drive with the cheapest SSD.

Regards.

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#45 2022-11-16 21:08:43

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Re: Can you suggest some tips and tricks for speed up Devuan?

I am talking about responsiveness overall of system.

On Devuan now i using Trinity DE and its much faster than default xfce de. I have several DEs installed its can slowdown on my Devuan?

By why is Artix is so fast compare to Devuan? Boot time and ui responsiveness.

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#46 2022-11-16 22:11:04

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Re: Can you suggest some tips and tricks for speed up Devuan?

deepforest wrote:
aluma wrote:

If we talk about the speed of different releases without systemd, then subjectively, the fastest, with the same version of DE , PCLinuxOS works for me.

It's not a competitor to Devuan, just a roling release, a rollback is possible if you took a snapshot before the update, but all the latest innovations appear in the repo immediately.

In general, if you are bored, it is quite possible to try. smile

I am offended at pclinuxos. I am somthing ask at their forum and they baned me without any reasons. My nick is Procenko on pclinuxos forum.

I had a browser setup just for pclinux forums, because it was so flakey (pc would generally fail to boot...

Well, well. Sad to say, but I also used pclinux for quite a few years and eventually I left because my computer would be hacked, broken, fail to start... corrupt bios... after a session at pclinux forums. (I haven't worked out how, I'm not hacking others) I always warn peeps about the trolls there.

I think there's some coward 7331's there who operate within the community only to destroy others efforts.

To all of those who know but allow it to continue, the future is yours, I hope you get your own back!

Anyhow, Devuan is a much better product.

:-)

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#47 2022-11-16 22:12:12

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Re: Can you suggest some tips and tricks for speed up Devuan?

deepforest wrote:

I am talking about responsiveness overall of system.

On Devuan now i using Trinity DE and its much faster than default xfce de. I have several DEs installed its can slowdown on my Devuan?

I don't think having multiple DE will slowdown your PC. It's more abour running services.

Trinity is good and very battery effective, but its network manager can not reconnect (or I did not found) and not sure whether it supports pipewire and hdpi displays.

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#48 2022-11-16 22:23:51

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Re: Can you suggest some tips and tricks for speed up Devuan?

To speed up devuan I've disabled anacron. Sometimes it slows down shutdown. You can disable FS check if it's enabled.

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#49 2022-11-17 01:46:08

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Re: Can you suggest some tips and tricks for speed up Devuan?

GlennW wrote:

Anyhow, Devuan is a much better product.

:-)

Same here. I am drop pclinuxos because did not like them and now love Devuan:)

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#50 2022-11-17 01:51:57

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Re: Can you suggest some tips and tricks for speed up Devuan?

Devarch wrote:

To speed up devuan I've disabled anacron. Sometimes it slows down shutdown. You can disable FS check if it's enabled.

Thanks you i will try.

Now i use several hours Trinity De its awesome so fast, response and not slowdowns, compare to default xfce

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