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#2351 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Vuu-do Linux! *New Openbox-64 iso's (1.0.7) up 2-02-18*!! » 2017-08-12 17:12:12

To use an existing swap partition with a live iso, press TAB at the boot menu and add the word "swap" to the boot command. Live-boot will find and use any swap partitions. (Don't recall if it uses all that it finds or just the first one it finds.)

#2352 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » juffed text editor in ascii » 2017-08-11 22:24:18

New to me, too, but apparently not new. 0.10 tarball is the last version on sourceforge from 2013, and 0.10 is what's in debian/devuan. Good one to know in case we all end up abandoning gtk.

#2353 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Security updates for devuan jessie » 2017-08-11 12:16:31

I'll take the easy ones...

Q1: You won't get chromium  v.60 in jessie because it's not there. 57 is in jessie and jessie-security. In fact, you won't get 60 in ascii or stretch, either. It's 59 there. Chromium-60 is in ceres/sid. I don't see any chromium in jessie-backports. (Note: I hope your "stretch-backports" is a typo. Don't use debian repos in your sources.)

Q3: The link works fine here. Maybe you tried to access it yesterday during forum maintenance. It's a thread about problems upgrading to chromium 56 or 57, back in March. Probably not relevant.

The following is for informational purposes. If you can get output that looks like this, you are in deep trouble. Don't use debian repos in your sources. (If I ever do an upgrade without fixing my sources first, I'm screwed.)

apt-cache policy chromium
chromium:
  Installed: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1
  Candidate: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1
  Version table:
     60.0.3112.78-1 0
         10 http://debian.csail.mit.edu/debian/ buster/main amd64 Packages
         10 http://debian.csail.mit.edu/debian/ sid/main amd64 Packages
        100 http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ ceres/main amd64 Packages
     59.0.3071.86-1 0
         10 http://debian.csail.mit.edu/debian/ stretch/main amd64 Packages
        100 http://us.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ ascii/main amd64 Packages
 *** 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1 0
        500 http://us.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie/main amd64 Packages
        500 http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-security/main amd64 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

#2354 Re: Devuan » Stretch is coming, Devuan status backported or up to date packages » 2017-08-10 01:17:31

I don't know how soon there will be devuan installer isos or even devuan-live isos. I can tell you with certainty that one of the two mother VMs for making refracta8 isos has been cloned and upgraded to ascii and produced a bootable iso. I'm getting itchy.

#2356 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Volume Up, Volume Down and Mute keys not working » 2017-08-08 11:07:03

To disable pulseaudio, you need to turn it off in the config file in /etc. I don't recall the details. I have done it, but I ended up removing pulseaudio instead.

Don't remove libasound or libpulse0. (If you try, you will figure out real quick that you can't remove them without losing everything that can play a sound.)

I right-clicked on the volume icon and selected Settings or Preferences and a window came up that had those settings.

#2357 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] Where are the refracta scripts? » 2017-08-08 10:57:37

@greenjeans:

You asked in irc about the differences between refractainstaller 9.2.1 and 9.2.2. Changes are mostly related to the uefi installer.

refractainstaller-gui (9.2.2) unstable; urgency=low
.
   * Wrapper script tests for efi and selects correct installer.
   * Better instructions at chroot terminal.
   * Look for 'EFI System' in fdisk output, not just 'EFI'
   * Simple install gets pre/post install scripts.
   * Require text-entry if two EFI partitions are present.

One other change is that if you try to run the bios installer in a uefi environment, it complains and exits. (If you need to change this, you can comment out one line in the script)

#2358 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2017-08-07 11:44:06

fungus wrote:

was it pico that was the father of nano?

echo "was it pico that was the father of nano?" | awk '{ print $3 " " $5 " " $6 " " $7 " " $8 " " $9 }' | sed 's/?/./'

#2359 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Volume Up, Volume Down and Mute keys not working » 2017-08-07 10:56:25

What happens if you just remove pulseaudio? Will you lose anything?

I have an old dell laptop with jessie installed. No pulseaudio, no xfce4-volumed. I use volumeicon-alsa to control the volume, and it has the same XF86Audio settings as your amixer. I can change the volume with the buttons and the indicator is visible on screen.

#2360 Re: Other Issues » Is there a package for Skype? » 2017-08-07 10:40:06

As per my Volume Up, Volume Down and Mute keys not working Topic there is a mixture of Alsa and pulseaudio software installed. Will this apulse package fix the problems I have noted in that topic?

Can I add the following to the /etc/apt/sources.list file

deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/devuan experimental main

... to point to the following location?

http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/devuan/di … ary-amd64/

Can I do this before installing rsyslog and upgrading to ascii?

Thanks, MTB.

Apulse is used to satisfy dependency on pulseaudio without having pulseaudio installed. I don't know if it will help your volume key problem. Add the deb line to sources.list and then install with

apt-get update
apt-get -t experimental install apulse

I would do this before upgrading to ascii. You have a better chance of identifying the source of any problems by changing one thing at a time. My personal preference is to remove pulseaudio as soon as I notice that it's installed (or do a more controlled installation of the system and make sure it doesn't get installed in the first place.)

#2361 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] Where are the refracta scripts? » 2017-08-06 21:27:57

If you install refracta tools from the deb packages, do it one of the easy ways. Forget about chasing down the dependencies. (You'll need a network connection or use the dvd as a source of packages for this to work.)

dpkg -i refracta*.deb
apt-get -f install

OR

gdebi refracta*.deb

Miyo probably has mawk installed instead of gawk. I think mawk is the default that gets installed, or maybe that's what you get if you just install the standard utilities. Refractasnapshot and refractainstaller would not work without some version of awk.

#2362 Re: Off-topic » OSS, ALSA, pulseaudio, JACK, ... » 2017-08-06 14:41:35

Not sure what you mean by scaled-down, but if you want a fairly easy way to control connections in jack, try qjackctl. There's no support for jack in firefox, but there might be a way to do it through PA.

#2363 Re: Other Issues » Is there a package for Skype? » 2017-08-06 14:18:09

skype.com has deb packages that should work on jessie. (They say so.) Looks like 64-bit only. If you're not using pulseaudio and don't want to use it, install apulse first. it's in devuan repos now. (in experimental)

I've used retroshare in the past. I don't know their current state. It uses gpg keys for authentication.

Are there any alternatives that can connect with people who are using skype?

#2364 Re: Devuan » Updating os-prober, need info from other popular linux distros! Help! » 2017-08-06 01:03:55

greenjeans wrote:

So as long as a distro provides an lsb release , grub should pick it up without any further code correct?

Yes.

#2365 Re: Devuan » Updating os-prober, need info from other popular linux distros! Help! » 2017-08-04 12:05:12

No, there's no /etc/lsb-release file in devuan. You recall correctly - I had to make it myself. Ubuntu does have /etc/lsb-release, and 40lsb runs before 90linux. Devuan does use /etc/os-release, but grub doesn't seem to check for that. (I grepped through all of /usr/lib/os-probes/mounted/ and /usr/lib/linux-boot-probes/ and couldn't find it.)

#2366 Re: Other Issues » [CLOSED]Configure "send to" » 2017-08-04 11:43:27

I think you would need to edit the source and recompile the package to change the action of 'Send to'. Instead, you could add an item to the right-click menu that does what you want. Take a look at this discussion about creating custom actions in thunar:
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php? … 4d29642aa8

#2367 Re: Devuan » Updating os-prober, need info from other popular linux distros! Help! » 2017-08-03 22:02:47

Geoff 42 wrote:

If you are using if elif will that mean that if you have both debian_vesion and devuan_version that you will only pick up Debian and miss the fact that it has been upgraded to Devuan?

Geoff

That bit of code would select for whichever of the two got tested first. But that doesn't necessarily mean that you'd get that name in your grub menu. There are other tests that grub does to figure out which distro you have. And if I remember correctly, there's a reference to black magic somewhere in the comments in the script.

Current Refracta isos have /etc/devuan_version, but grub uses /etc/lsb-release instead, so it shows up as Refracta (or maybe Refracted Devuan). Ubunutu isos have /etc/debian_version, but I'm pretty sure it always shows up as Ubuntu in the grub menu (if you can find it.)

#2368 Re: DIY » live-sdk - can't build image » 2017-08-03 13:13:08

I was afraid you would say that. Are you trying to build a basic system without a blend? There should be some logs in live-sdk/log/. Anything useful there?

This is a really weird place for it to be trying to find debootstrap.

sudo: /home/test/live-sdk/lib/libdevuansdk/extra/debootstrap/debootstrap: command not found

I don't have a lib/libdevuansdk/extra in any of my build trees. There is a live-sdk/extra, and it contains a folder named 'custom-packages' which gets populated with all the deb packages I added.

Oh yeah, something has changed in libdevuansdk. Line 42 of zlibs/bootstrap:

sudo -E "$LIBPATH/extra/debootstrap/debootstrap" \
		--keyring="$LIBPATH/extra/devuan-keyring/keyrings/devuan-archive-keyring.gpg" \
		--foreign \
--arch $arch $release $strapdir $mirror || zerr

That's right from parazyd's github. And there is a dir named extra, and it contains debootstrap and the keyring. I'm not sure what to do with that. I've got a question for parazyd in irc right now (in freenode/#devuan-dev). He'll answer eventually. If you know git commands well enough to pull an earlier commit, that might work.

For comparison (and maybe worth a test) mine looks like this (but I did not compare the entire files, so there may be more changes)

        sudo -E debootstrap \
                --foreign \
                --arch $arch $release $strapdir $mirror || zerr

I'll post here when I get an answer.

#2369 Re: DIY » live-sdk - can't build image » 2017-08-02 20:14:00

Looks like you need to install debootstrap.

#2370 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Advice needed from non-US users regarding keyboard layouts » 2017-08-02 01:36:05

Test to see if you can add a layout on the fly in a live session. You can with the panel plugins for xfce and lxde.

#2371 Re: Devuan Derivatives » GNUinOS - Libre » 2017-08-01 13:39:59

Here's a test iso made from ascii that aitor just uploaded. This one will not boot into a live session, but if you could test the installer and report, it would be helpful. Thanks.

http://gnuinos.org/Gnuinos%20Ascii/

#2372 Re: Installation » Upgrade Live USB to Ascii for testing? » 2017-07-30 21:21:00

upgrade will only upgrade installed packages. dist-upgrade will install any new packages. You are likely to see differences between the two when moving from one release to another. Not so much (hardly ever) when upgrading within a release. Doing it in stages as fungus described is the safest way to do it.

The kernel will be upgraded to the latest version available if you have the kernel metapackage installed. (e.g. linux-image-amd64). Without the metapackage you need to install the newer kernel using your preferred method for installing packages: apt, apt-get, aptitude or synaptic.

#2373 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Dell XPS 13 9360 ("Developer Edition") and ascii or ceres vs Debian 9 » 2017-07-30 15:38:19

Yes, please post the output of 'lspci'.

I removed the intel-microcode package, upgraded to a newer backports kernel and did a general upgrade, then made a new iso. This one has a normal initrd. If you get a chance, please try it and see if it boots. Thanks.

http://distro.ibiblio.org/refracta/file … 0_1501.iso

Edit: Almost forgot this...

I've been playing with uefi for a year with one laptop, and I've read a few reports of people using uefi and/or using the refracta tools on uefi. If the uefi works according to specifications, it's just weird. And since uefi implementations rarely or never follow specs, it's worse than weird. I'll refrain from swearing; otherwise what would come out would burn the eyes of anyone who read it.

#2374 Re: Installation » Upgrade Live USB to Ascii for testing? » 2017-07-30 02:20:09

You can install the kernel after you're finished with the upgrade. That's assuming it doesn't get installed with the upgrade.

Before the upgrade:
Add this to /etc/apt/sources.list

# jessie backports
deb http://packages.devuan.org/merged jessie-backports main
apt-get update
apt-get -t jessie-backports install rsyslog

You will get 8.23.0-2~bpo8+1

After you install it, comment out the backports line in sources.list, change the jessie lines to ascii and continue with the upgrade.

#2375 Re: Installation » Upgrade Live USB to Ascii for testing? » 2017-07-30 00:17:10

Depends on how you made the live usb. If you used the isohybrid feature (dd or cat the iso to /dev/sdX) then no. It's a read-only system. Any changes you make are lost on reboot. If you set up a persistent volume, then yes you could upgrade the live system, but it really doesn't make sense to do it that way. The persistent volume keeps copies of any files you add or change, so it would end up holding a copy of nearly the entire system.

You really need to install it and upgrade, then make a new live iso. Install to a spare partition, into a virtual machine or even onto another usb stick. Your upgrade procedure is correct. You might need to install the newer kernel manually - if so, look for linux-image-4.9-something. And you can always add the -s option (--simulate) to see what will happen before you really do it.

I don't remember what synaptic does, but you can probably do it all with that.

Oh yeah. I'm not sure of the current status of rsyslog. If it looks like it wants to cause problems, you can install rsyslog from backports (or else replace it with syslog-ng or busybox-syslogd.

Maybe some other problems. It's been a few weeks since I've tried an upgrade to ascii. Be flexible and you'll get there.

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