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#2076 Re: Other Issues » Devuan + paralleized OpenRC + KDE » 2018-07-23 16:22:06

Terence wrote:

I understand, but, I'm also newbie and can tell that the only substantial difference between "Live-ISO" and "DVD-ISO" is to make a 'click' to select the "Init-System". That's much more easier than substitute the "Init-System" post-install.
...
Naturally could be a great thing if DEVs add the "Init-System" option in the Live-Iso and maybe out of the box "OpenRC" already parallelized.

The difference between the live isos and the installer isos is that the installer isos boot you into a special environment that lets you install the system from packages. Those packages can be downloaded from the repository if you choose a mirror, or they can be pulled from the removable media if you use one of the installer CD or DVD images and do not choose a mirror. The packages then are unpacked and configured.

The live isos boot you into an actual system that's almost identical to an installed system. When you install the live system to hard drive, it copies the running system from the removable media to the hard drive. No unpacking and configuring packages is needed, as that was already done by the devs (KatolaZ and me) before making the live iso.

As I mentioned above, it is possible to make a live iso that uses openrc, but there is no possibility of choosing the init system or any other software during the installation. You aren't creating a new system when you install from the live isos - you are copying a system that was already created and configured, so you get the packages that we installed to make the iso. (I hope I said that clearly enough.)

As much as I would love to provide live isos for sysvinit and openrc and all the desktops and i386 and amd64, all the combinations would be too much to maintain. Some of these combinations are provided by downstream derivative distros (like miyolinux, for example) that use only devuan repositories in their sources.list. (They are really devuan in disguise.)

#2077 Re: Installation » Installation without Session management and policykit backends » 2018-07-23 16:00:11

aptitude why elogind should tell you why it's there. I don't know if there's an apt-get equivalent (in case you don't have aptitude.)

Maybe start with installing standard system utilities, and then add these. I'm not sure if you'll need the last two, and there are other parts of xfce4 that aren't necessary, but you might want them.

xfconf xfdesktop4 xfwm4 xfce4-panel xfce4-terminal xfce4-session xfce4-power-manager

I'm also not sure if it's still the case, but you might need to manually install dbus-x11 to avoid some conflicts.

#2078 Re: Installation » Ascii upgrade messed up the devuan jessie » 2018-07-22 14:40:44

The options field in fstab should be a comma-separated list.

errors=remount -ro   should be:  errors=remount,ro

user, noauto   should be  user,noauto

Maybe those changes will fix it.

#2079 Re: Other Issues » Devuan + paralleized OpenRC + KDE » 2018-07-22 14:10:38

Parallelized refers to services starting more or less all at the same time at boot. This was supposed to be a selling point for systemd when it was introduced, based on the belief that the system would boot faster. Sysvinit and openrc normally start services one after another. In practice, which method boots faster can vary.

The installer in the live isos copies the running live system to the hard drive. Since openrc is not installed in the current live isos, it won't be installed with the system. You can add it after you reboot into the new system. If openrc becomes the default init system in devuan at some time in the future, you will get it in the live isos, and in that case, if you want sysvinit, you'd have to add it after the initial installation.

If you want to install devuan with openrc on a lot of computers, you could make your own live iso with openrc. You would install the first system with sysvinit, change it to openrc, then run refractasnapshot to make a new iso. Then, any installs you did with the new iso would have openrc right from the start. I've already tried this, and it works.

Oops! I forgot that you asked about mate - there's no mate in the live isos. You would have to add that after you install the new system. The desktop-live only has xfce.

#2081 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Real.video What do i need to install? [SOLVED] » 2018-07-19 22:24:43

I just tried it. I started allowing javascript for several sites, went past my personal limit and then went totally crazy and turned off noscript (allowed all javascript). The noscript list of sites serving code on the page was so long, it went off-screen. That's reason enough to never go there again.

I was able to get audio, but no video. CPU temperature went up as if it had video.

I have browser-plugin-vlc and flashplugin-nonfree installed. I don't know if the flash plugin even works anymore. Last time I tried to install that for a friend, it was impossible. (It's no longer supported.)

Tested this on jessie.

#2082 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » ASCII: Can't start Xorg after system upgrade [SOLVED] » 2018-07-17 20:40:37

If you just got the kernel upgrade to 4.9.0-7, try booting the previous kernel (4.9.0-6). Maybe the nvidia packages need to catch up. If you installed from the nvidia binaries instead of from packages in the repo, reinstall/rebuild the driver.

#2083 Re: Installation » RAID array » 2018-07-16 10:34:36

The CD isos have fewer packages on them. You can install with just the first one for a small system, or you could use the additional ones for more packages. The DVD iso is a better choice.

If you select a mirror during the install, then you will essentially be doing a netinstall, and you'll get the full system. If you can do netinstall and you don't need to have the packages on a local optical disk, just get the netinstall iso.

#2084 Re: Installation » kiosk system for online banking with devuan ascii » 2018-07-16 10:26:13

grub-efi and dosfstools are only needed if you want the iso to be bootable on a uefi system. You can ignore those messages or disable them by setting make_efi=no in /etc/refractasnapshot.conf.

I/O errors suggest a hardware problem. Maybe there were errors burning the CD.

This page explains how to get the checksum from a burned CD. Replace md5sum with sha256sum if you want to compare it to the checksum in the SHA256SUMS file where you downloaded the iso.
http://www.brunolinux.com/01-First_Thin … d_CDs.html

#2085 Re: Installation » RAID array » 2018-07-16 10:11:42

You access the debian (devuan) installer by booting one of the installer isos. The live isos use refractainstaller, which won't do raid or lvm. You want one of these:
https://files.roundr.devuan.org/devuan_ … aller-iso/

#2086 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » libpng12-0 Multiarch » 2018-07-14 22:11:26

Update:  I now know how to get the i386 package on my amd64 system.

Check to see if multiarch is enabled. I already had the multiarch package installed, but this gave me no output the first time..

dpkg --print-foreign-architectures   # 

Enable multiarch:

dpkg --add-architecture i386
apt-get update
$ dpkg --print-foreign-architectures
i386

Get the package:

apt-get download libpng12-0:i386

gives me libpng12-0_1.2.50-2+deb8u3_i386.deb

#2087 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » libpng12-0 Multiarch » 2018-07-14 21:31:32

It's already in jessie. I see it in my i386 system and can download the package. In my amd64 system with multiarch, I can only download the amd64 version. Or maybe I don't know the right command to get it there.

apt-cache policy libpng12-0
libpng12-0:
  Installed: 1.2.50-2+deb8u2
  Candidate: 1.2.50-2+deb8u3
  Version table:
     1.2.50-2+deb8u3 0
        500 http://us.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie/main i386 Packages
        500 http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged/ jessie/main i386 Packages
 *** 1.2.50-2+deb8u2 0
        500 http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-security/main i386 Packages
        500 http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-security/main i386 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

If you're running ascii, you'd use libpng16-16.

#2088 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Deadbeef music player » 2018-07-09 18:22:53

FYI there is chromium in the repository, and that does less spying on you than the official google chrome.

#2089 Re: Installation » Deterministic names for network interfaces? » 2018-07-09 18:20:33

The example script doesn't work because it does not get the mac address correctly. The output of ifconfig changed from jessie to stretch/ascii and no longer shows HWaddr.

Edit get-mac-address.sh and change

mac=$(/sbin/ifconfig "$iface" | sed -n -e '/^.*HWaddr \([:[:xdigit:]\-]*\).*/{s//\1/;y/ABCDEF/abcdef/;p;q;}')

to

mac=$(/bin/ip link | grep -A1 "$iface" | awk '/link/ { print $2 }')

Note: If your mac addresses have any upper case letters, the above line will need more than I can give you right now.

#2090 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Deadbeef music player » 2018-07-09 14:05:22

I got it here and put it in the latest Refracta build. I've used past versions in earlier Refracta builds (squeeze and wheezy)
http://sourceforge.net/projects/deadbee … _amd64.deb

dpkg -i deadbeef*.deb

If you get errors about missing dependencies, run apt-get -f install

#2091 Re: Installation » Deterministic names for network interfaces? » 2018-07-09 12:30:53

I think this is right, but I haven't tested it. See 'man interfaces' and also look at the files in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples.

Copy the get-mac-address.sh script from the examples directory into /etc/network/interfaces.d/ and make it executable. Then edit the interfaces file like this:

auto enp3s0 enp2s0
mapping enp3s0 enp2s0
  script /etc/network/interfaces.d/get-mac-address.sh
  map 00:55:44:33:22:11 eth0
  map 00:11:22:33:44:55 eth1
iface eth0 inet dhcp
iface eth1 inet static
	address 192.168.1.17
	netmask 255.255.255.0
	network 192.168.1.0
	broadcast 192.168.1.255

#2092 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Problems with the multimedia player VLC [Solved] » 2018-07-06 14:17:00

I don't think it's a vlc problem, or maybe I don't understand exactly what the problem is.

If I open vlc in ascii and add two videos to the playlist and then start playing, the first one plays with audio and video, and when that one is finished, the second one plays with audio and video.

Coincidentally, I tested this on a Toshiba Satellite, but this one is all intel.

#2093 Re: Installation » Deterministic names for network interfaces? » 2018-07-06 14:08:57

I think that's still the right place to put your own rules, but I don't really know much about udev rules or what goes into them. Did you try using KERNEL=="enp*" instead of KERNEL=="eth*"? (just a guess)

Another possibility is to rename the interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces. See the section on MAPPING in man interfaces. You should be able to give them any names you want.

#2094 Re: Installation » Deterministic names for network interfaces? » 2018-07-04 11:18:07

Where did you put the rule?

I haven't tried ascii with two nics. Here's a discussion on the dng mailing list that might be helpful:
https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/2 … 1c.en.html

#2095 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Devuan 2.0.0 on Raspberry Pi 3 plus with GUI? » 2018-07-04 11:14:40

Install xinit. You might need to do this even if you install xorg, which is a metapackage that gives you all the drivers. Without that metapackage, make sure you have xserver-xorg-video-whatever, where whatever is the right one for the Pi3.

Here's some relevant infomation from the release notes:

### Starting X from a console (TTY)

In Devuan 2.0 ASCII, the X server no longer requires to be run with
root privileges. As a consequence, there are some additional
requirements to be met when launching X directly from a TTY (i.e.,
through 'xinit' or 'startx'), especially on systems upgraded from
Devuan Jessie.

In Devuan 2.0 ASCII it is sufficient to install 'elogind' and
'libpam-elogind', and then use either 'startx' or 'xinit' as usual
from a regular user account. In this case, the Xorg log file will be
available under '~/.local/share/xorg/'.

The system still needs to support Kernel Mode Setting (KMS).
Therefore, this solution may not work in some virtualization
environments (e.g.  virtualbox) or if the kernel has no driver that
supports your graphic card.

Alternatively, it is still possible to run X with setuid root. In this
case, you need to install `xserver-xorg-legacy` and ensure that the
file '/etc/X11/Xwrapper.config' contains the (uncommented) line:

    needs_root_rights=yes

#2096 Re: Installation » default packages » 2018-07-01 11:44:45

There are no plans to replace the debian-installer in the installer isos. It's an idea that's been discussed, but it would be a huge task. So yeah, if you can make a workaround for the problem, I'm sure a lot of people will be happy. This is a topic that comes up once in a while.

I do have plans (or at least a desire) to add code to the live installer for using lvm. I'll be interested to see what you come up with.

#2097 Re: Installation » non-free available upon fresh install? » 2018-06-28 22:47:50

All the live isos have non-free wireless firmware already installed (except for a few broadcom packages) and all the installer isos have non-free wireless and other firmware packages in /firmware in the iso.

#2098 Re: Installation » non-free available upon fresh install? » 2018-06-28 20:48:00

Depends on which broadcom firmware you need. Some of the broadcom packages require a network connection to download the actual firmware files. Your might need to use a wired connection for the netinstall.

#2099 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Refracta no-dbus experiment » 2018-06-28 20:42:49

For the icon sets that aren't working, check their Recommends, which are excluded by default. Something is probably missing.

If you want icons on the desktop and a background image, the easiest way to do it is to set spacefm to control the desktop.

#2100 Re: Devuan Derivatives » STAR: 2.0.1 Kirk, it's here! » 2018-06-27 15:35:28

Change sources from auto.mirror.devuan.org to deb.devuan.org for ascii and beyond. auto.mirror doesn't work right in ascii.

(Ozi, you might need to use pkgmaster.devuan.org for the builds. That's the case with live-sdk and might be the same for live-build.)

Now, if I can figure out why pkexec works correctly in your xfce but not in mine, I'll be very happy.

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