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#1726 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » LXDE GDBus.Error woes » 2019-05-14 01:12:21

ps ax | grep polkit

to see if it's running.

#1727 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » LXDE GDBus.Error woes » 2019-05-13 20:42:53

It probably has to do with policykit backends. We removed lxde from the desktop choices in the ascii installer isos because it wasn't quite right. You'll need to find the right combination of packages to get what you want. To start with, find out what's installed.

dpkg -l | egrep "consolekit|elogind|libpam|policykit|polkit"

#1728 Re: Installation » Interested in installing devuan, couple questions before I do » 2019-05-13 12:55:00

crankypuss wrote:

Exactly why can't a hibernated system be distributed as the install iso, you just have to be able to boot from the damn thing.

A hibernated system already knows what hardware you have, where it is and what modules need to be loaded. That saves a lot of time.

Currently, you can use the installer isos to install directly from the medium to avoid having to download the packages. That can save you some time, but those packages still need to be unpacked and configured. Or you can use the live isos and avoid downloading, unpacking and configuring the packages, but then you don't get to choose what packages are installed.

If you want a package selection that's different from the default, then you either have to do it yourself starting from a minimal install, or you have to find a derivative distribution that has what you want.

I keep thinking of other ways to do this, but I haven't come up with anything that I think is good enough to replace what we already have.

#1729 Re: Installation » Interested in installing devuan, couple questions before I do » 2019-05-10 13:51:30

Sysvinit will continue to be the default init system in devuan. Openrc is available, working and easy to install. I'm not sure of the status of runit (or S6 for that matter) but they exist and people are working on it.

I don't know anything about Lutris, but any packages not in the debian repos that you can install by adding a repo should also work in devuan, unless systemd is required. For example, I know that virtualbox from Oracle works.

And if something you want is in the debian repos, then it's also in the devuan repos, as long as it does not require systemd. So you don't need to use any debian repos in sources.list. (If you do, you're sure to run into problems.)

#1730 Re: Installation » Installing devuan to lvm partitions within dm-crypt container » 2019-05-09 13:44:11

rolfie wrote:

BTW: this patch is not yet in the repos. The last cryptsetup update shipped yesterday? removed the patch again.

Rolf

Thanks for the warning. I kept a copy of my modified cryptdisks-functions before upgrading, and the only differences between that and the latest version are my edits, so I only need to copy the modified file into place again.

Nobody has volunteered to adopt this package in devuan, and I believe this is a 'wontfix' bug upstream. Keep a copy of your edits handy.

#1731 Re: Other Issues » deb.devuan.org doesn't get updates for Jessie, auto.mirror.devuan does » 2019-05-07 15:48:29

Security is provided by gpg signatures. Use https if you don't want your ISP to know what packages you're installing.

#1732 Re: Other Issues » deb.devuan.org doesn't get updates for Jessie, auto.mirror.devuan does » 2019-05-07 12:10:29

I'm re-posting something I posted to dng this morning.

I can confirm that auto.mirror.devuan.org (packages.devuan.org) updates ahead of deb.devuan.org (pkgmaster.devuan.org) and that this has been going on for some time, maybe a few months. (Maybe since auto.mirror got upgraded to amprolla3, but not sure about that.)

Sometimes it's days before pkgmaster catches up, and I'm not sure if it ever catches up without help from one of the sysadmins.

Here's a current example - the latest firefox-esr is in jessie-security, but only in auto.mirror.

# apt-cache policy firefox-esr
firefox-esr:
  Installed: 60.6.1esr-1~deb8u1
  Candidate: 60.6.2esr-1~deb8u1
  Version table:
     60.6.2esr-1~deb8u1 0
        500 http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-security/main amd64 Packages
 *** 60.6.1esr-1~deb8u1 0
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
     52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1 0
        500 http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ jessie/main amd64 Packages
        500 http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie/main amd64 Packages

FWIW, I also tried this using "pkgmaster" and "packages" instead of "deb" and "auto.mirror" in sources.list and got the same result.

fsmithred

#1733 Re: Other Issues » deb.devuan.org doesn't get updates for Jessie, auto.mirror.devuan does » 2019-05-06 19:27:58

The problem was in the repo. It has been fixed and should work for you now.

#1734 Re: Installation » Beowulf netinstall no more finds kernel modules » 2019-05-03 09:19:00

The mini.isos from february no longer work and need to be rebuilt. New isos should be coming soon. (I'm guessing it'll be a couple weeks, not a couple days.)

#1735 Re: Installation » UEFI Installation Woes » 2019-05-03 09:15:01

Try setting the grub screen resolution at the boot menu. I get something similar with my toshiba - the installer screens are scrambled and don't cover the full monitor.

At the boot menu, press e to edit.
Down arrow once to move the cursor to the blank line and add
set gfxpayload=1366x768 (or whatever resolution your laptop likes)
Press ctrl-x to boot

#1736 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [Solved] Beowulf update holds back packages » 2019-05-01 17:36:25

Try apt-get install libelogind0=241.1-1 (Maybe need to do the same for elogind, too.) I'm guessing that there were some changes in dependencies in the interim versions of libelogind0 and you two are caught in some kind of twilight zone.

Another thing you (sgage) could try if the 250 packages are going to be set to autoremoval (as opposed to actually being removed) is to remove libsystemd0 and then install libelogind0 (even if it's already installed). Since libelogind0 Provides libsystemd0, all those packages that want lsd0 will be happy and will be taken off the autoremove list. Maybe.

#1737 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [Solved] Beowulf update holds back packages » 2019-04-30 22:41:17

What does apt-cache policy elogind show? I don't see your version in any repos.

When I installed libelogind0, it removed libsystemd0. Maybe if you try installing libelogind0 it will upgrade elogind and remove lsd0. Or specify the version as libelogind0=241.1-1

#1738 Re: Installation » [Solved] Software selection in Devuan ASCII netinst » 2019-04-29 11:59:43

The point of the metapackage is so that you can get a working desktop without having to type something like

apt install  xfconf xfdesktop4 xfwm4 xfce4-terminal xfce4-session xfce4-xkb-plugin xfce4-panel \
thunar thunar-volman thunar-archive-plugin xfce4-notifyd libnotify-bin mesa-utils  \
xfce4-power-manager xfce4-cpugraph-plugin  xfwm4-themes \

Of course, now you don't have to type all that. You could just copy/paste it or modify it to fit your needs.

If you install the packages individually, you can remove them individually. You can even do this if the packages were automatically installed because of a dependency. When you 'apt-get install' a package that was automatically installed, its status gets changed to manually installed. Then, when you remove the metapackage, the manually installed packages won't be removed.

#1739 Re: Installation » [Solved] Software selection in Devuan ASCII netinst » 2019-04-25 21:25:53

No, there isn't. If you choose one of the desktops in the installer, you get the task-xxx-desktop package that pulls in everything else. If you un-check everything except 'Standard system utilities' at the tasksel window, you'll get a working cli-only system, and you can then install xfce4 and whatever else you want.

Another option would be to install from CD-1 without a network mirror. You'll get a working desktop with a bunch of the usual stuff missing. I'm not sure if that includes libreoffice or not.

#1740 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » wakeonlan and etherwake for WOL » 2019-04-24 12:20:55

How are you trying to install them, and what result or error messages are you getting?

apt update
apt install wakeonlan etherwake

#1741 Re: Installation » Boot from SD / Installation to HDD question » 2019-04-23 18:14:34

If you're sure you can boot from the SD card, and you do that by selecting the SD card from the motherboard's boot device menu, then you should be able to install grub to the SD card, put / on the SD card, and put /home /var and swap on the HDD.

This will be a normal installation that can be updated/upgraded.

If you want to install to the usb stick, you should really use two sticks. But it is possible to boot to ram and then install to the same stick. The drawback is that you only get one chance. If you have to run the installer again, you have to dd the stick again.

When you partition the sdcard, leave 2MB free space before the first partition. Grub might need that. Gparted insists on leaving 1MB. Keep your eye on that.

#1742 Re: Installation » Boot from SD / Installation to HDD question » 2019-04-23 16:58:29

It should work - it's normal to have different partitions on different drives. But I guess it's not as common as it used to be.

Take note of what the device names are when you boot from usb vs. booting from internal disk. Using uuids in fstab should help with that.

#1744 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Refracta no-dbus experiment » 2019-04-22 11:31:08

Oops. You found a copy/paste-from-nano error. What I don't understand is why it works for me when it's like that.

I tried dillo, and it would not let me go to youtube. I didn't expect to watch video with it, but I wanted to see what I got. It's like it didn't even try to get to the page. I was able to get there with links2, and after adding youtube-dl I could download a video and watch it with mpv.

#1745 Re: Other Issues » Is the debian/devuan merge working right? » 2019-04-21 15:04:40

I did an upgrade a few days ago, so there's nothing for me. I am able to install stuff from deb.devuan.org in beowulf. In another thread, we're still waiting for synaptic to enter beowulf. It went into buster a couple days ago.

Anyway, I have alerted the appropriate authorities. Today is a holiday, so responses might be slow.

#1746 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Refracta no-dbus experiment » 2019-04-21 15:00:29

Maybe you need to add shutdown and poweroff to the list of user_shutdown commands. If one of those works better, edit the quit-dialog and /etc/xdg/openbox/menu.xml  (You did log out and in again after adding the file to sudoers.d, right?)

I will try dillo. I only tried a couple of browsers and gave up quickly, because they needed dbus.

#1747 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Refracta no-dbus experiment » 2019-04-21 11:11:42

Geoff, thanks for the report.

User has sudo nopasswd enabled for halt, reboot, pm-suspend and pm-hibernate.  Oh, you might have disabled that in the install. If so...

echo "user ALL= NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/pm-suspend, /usr/sbin/pm-hibernate, /sbin/halt, /sbin/reboot" > /etc/sudoers.d/user_shutdown

To restore it.

Right-click on the desktop should give you the openbox menu, and I've added reboot and shutdown. Warning: Those two work without asking for confirmation.

You can tie the logout in lxpanel to one of the quit-dialog scripts in /usr/local/bin. I missed that and should add it to the blend.

elogind would pull in policykit-1 and dbus, and the user would be able to use the dbus shutdown commands.

#1748 Re: Devuan Derivatives » MiyoLinux Portable » 2019-04-20 18:57:54

nc termbin.com 9999 < some-text-file 
Then post the link.

#1749 News & Announcements » dev1usb image available for download » 2019-04-19 13:21:17

fsmithred
Replies: 0

At the conference last week, we gave away some nice usb sticks that have
the Devuan logo imprinted on them. They were also supposed to contain a
multi-boot image with updated i386 and amd64 minimal-live and desktop-live
isos.

Due to time and hardware constraints, we didn't get to image the sticks
ahead of time, and we were scrambling to distribute the imaged sticks
during the conference. (Thanks to those who helped.)

As a consequence, some of you may have received blanks sticks, sticks that
are not bootable but have the iso files and or image file, or even a
correctly imaged and bootable stick.

If you have the image file (dev1usb.img_2019-03-28.img) you can just dd
(or cat) it to the whole device, not to a partition.

  dd if=dev1usb.img_2019-03-28.img of=/dev/sdX

The result will be a live-usb that uses grub to boot and gives you a
choice of the isos to boot. There will be a single fat32 partition, 3.2 GB
in size. You can create another partition in the additional free space and
use it for persistence or just storage.

If you want the image file, you can download it here:
https://get.refracta.org/files/dev1usb/

It's a 3.2GB file. If you want the torrent file, here's a direct link to it. Get it while it's hot!
https://get.refracta.org/files/dev1usb/dev1usb.torrent

fsmithred

#1750 Re: Devuan Derivatives » MiyoLinux Portable » 2019-04-19 00:42:27

I very rarely post anything by accident. Yeah, let me know if it works. I've never tried it.

(I do occasionally leave stuff out.)

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