Even so, no reason for me to stop using Devuan. You can't always trust Debian today with their upstream decisions, because you know they're going to fuck something up tomorrow. They're still too heavily influenced by Red Hat, Canonical, and GNOME garbage, and direct pushers of Wayland. Just because you can change your init this time around doesn't mean they're not corrupt anymore. It's a deception.

Devuan is more than just another "Systemd protest" distro. It actually aims for KISS philosophy as much as possible without the pretentious "minimalism" crap. It's everything that Debian should have been for the longest time. The fact that a fork had this much influence says a lot.

Shit like this is why I stopped coming back.

Sync problems sometimes happen. I recommend retrying a few more times. I usually succeed after the second or third attempt. Also, Ceres is VERY stable on my machines, and I have not returned to Beowulf or Chimaera ever since. The few instances of breakage I've experienced have been mild at worst. You just have to use common sense.

I think when it comes to the anti-Systemd crowd, most tend to gravitate towards Artix GNU/Linux or any other non-LTS distro. Devuan still serves a purpose for Debian and Ubuntu refugees, but I can see why some people aren't too fond of APT and its tendency to break dependencies, when Pacman can work around that sort of thing.

As long as Debian continues to make retarded decisions "on behalf" of its users, people will continue to recommend Devuan and just about every other downstream distro that won't put up with their nonsense.

I have Devuan installed on a very old laptop from the Pentium M era. Works smoothly for its age, and it's been all over the place.

It's likely your systems don't need any updates for Beowulf right this moment. You could try adding beowulf-proposed-updates and/or beowulf-backports to your repositories and see what updates are readily available. It's the safer alternative to pulling in packages from Chimaera or Ceres.

I think Debian's problems are more than just "embracing" Systemd. The current operations aren't as "traditional-minded" as once in the past. Speaking highly of things such as Wayland, GNOME, and other modern atrocities to GNU/Linux would entail that what passes off for "Debian" is primarily by influence of Red Hat and Canonical.

Some of us like to live on the edge...

Golinux's post should set the record straight.

I think you're looking around for things that clearly don't exist. Devuan forks over two hundred Debian packages to remove Systemd parts, and whichever ones make it difficult to do so would end up being blacklisted for everyone's safety. It's not a perfect world, but this is as good as it's going to get.

You're more than welcome to help out the developers with bug testing, package maintenance, and so on. I find those would be a lot more constructive to the cause than making these sorts of threads.

Looks like there's an issue with the current session failing to update the threads I've just read. This happens sometimes. I'm using Pale Moon.

I'm also noticing this. Checking with the Debian Sid repository, there are a ton of packages that need to be upgraded, but I always want to be careful with mixing Debian and Ubuntu packages (the only exceptions include Boot-Repair and Mintstick, both of which were safely installed from separate DEB files).

Either way, I'm not too concerned. That it's quite stable itself is rather impressive and satisfies my use cases. Props to the team!

For Devuan (the main one) itself? Doesn't seem to be officially distributed, but you can make copies of an existing Devuan install using Refracta's snapshot tools (they have a Chimaera snapshot uploaded here, at least).

As well, Exe GNU/Linux provides Ceres ISOs here.

If you want to read up on other Devuan derivatives that might also provide testing or unstable flavors, this thread might be of good use.