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#1 Re: Freedom Hacks » Switching to GTK2 from GTK3 on Post-Beowulf Devuan Releases » 2025-11-28 23:02:46

vulpine wrote:

Has anyone managed to build spacefm or debianize spacefm for Excalibur yet? Upstream Debian did something shady and replaced the spacefm package with gtk3 whereas previously spacefm was gtk2 (congruent with upstream spacefm's recommendations) and there was a seperate packge spacefm-gtk3 if you wanted that. This was done by the "debian gnome team".

Unfortunately building spacefm yourself on Excalibur isn't so easy. There's some things that needs to be patched in the source code. Also using the gtk3 version isn't usable because of constant segfaults, clipboard not working, gtk3 breakage and mess.

Secondly claws-mail maintains a separate gtk2 branch. I've managed to compile that and use it with upstream Debian made claws-mail gtk3 even though it's a separate branch. This is working and continues to work after the upgrade but compiling and installing from source leaves it out from apt's package management. There's now been some minor updates to the gtk2 branch of claws-mail I'd like to install but it's not so easy tracking claws-mail releases anymore.

Surely someone has done this work before? I don't want to rebuild and repackage these things if somebody else has already done that.

You could simply pin or hold the version of SpaceFM that you installed from Daedalus, which is still GTK2. As it hasn't had any upstream changes since early 2018, it's safe to say the package hasn't implemented any new features or critical bug fixes over time. The last significant thing I remember being that the thumbnail issue was fixed. You could just wait a short while when launching it or disable thumbnails altogether. It's still way faster than Thunar.

Also, the last version of Claws Mail that you can build with GTK2 is the 3.x.x series. The last Debian build of it in that is 3.18.0-1. As of 4.x.x, you must use GTK3 or newer. It will complain if your version of GTK is "outdated".

#2 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » How to change the Login background in Excalibur ? » 2025-11-28 22:51:01

Are you logged in as root in a graphical session (not recommended) or using something like Sudo in a terminal window (recommended)? For the latter, just refer to Rbit's post on locating specific configuration files and append a command such as Nano or Vim to them.

For example, typing in sudo nano /etc/slim.conf will escalate user privileges by allowing you to directly modify the respective file. Make your changes, and then save with Ctrl+O. If you want to try a different preinstalled theme, you can then use cd /usr/share/slim/themes/ and type ls within that directory to view the available themes to choose from for the configuration file.

#3 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Cannot change background » 2025-11-13 16:56:21

You could always just use an older version of Xfce that didn't have this problem. If you understand how to do Apt pinning, you can prevent Devuan from overwriting your preferred version of Xfce with a newer one that you don't like.

I haven't tested this on Excalibur, but Xfce 4.12 works flawlessly on Daedalus. It's basically the same version of Xfce that shipped with Ascii and Beowulf (slightly GTK3). Memory footprint is very low.

Try that before ditching Xfce for good.

#4 Re: Off-topic » GTK2 Removed from Arch's Repositories » 2025-11-13 16:52:56

HardSun wrote:

why dont you do something about it then brocashelm.

I already did. By using Xfce 4.12 DEB files on Daedalus.

#5 Re: Devuan » New to Linux: Independent vs Based-on Distributions? » 2025-11-13 12:37:19

The further downstream you go, the more vulnerable the project is. It's better to stay as close to the original, where much of the significant changes can be observed. Whatever Debian does outside of init stuff will usually befall Devuan, because that's just how it's set up.

Slackware never adopted Systemd in any fashion, and they have no upstream distro to answer to. They do use Elogind where applicable, though.

#6 Re: Off-topic » GTK2 Removed from Arch's Repositories » 2025-11-13 12:28:40

The problem is that the current "solutions" are not reasonably sound for a lot of regular people who just want to use their computers without stuff getting in their way. Suggesting tiling WMs or doing everything in the terminal is like picking between burning to death and drowning.

That, and shifting the blame on the person offering some constructive criticism to go do the project maintainer's job compounds the whole enshittification aspect of FLOSS. There will never be a "Year of the Linux Desktop" until people stop allowing nonsense to affect code.

#7 Off-topic » GTK2 Removed from Arch's Repositories » 2025-11-12 23:39:52

brocashelm
Replies: 16

Welcome to the Unthemable, Bloated, Stinky Foot Toolkit Horror Show. Soon enough, we'll force Wayland down your throat by way of GTK5.

We can only blame MATE and Xfce developers AND users for not forking/improving GTK2.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hn3Aeen1snA

#8 Re: News & Announcements » Announcing Devuan 6.0 Excalibur! » 2025-11-10 07:59:11

I'll be staying on Daedalus. This release is significantly more bloated and resource-hungry than ever before. A lot of GTK2 software essentially got deleted or replaced with their GTK3/GTK4 counterparts, even LXDE itself. Moreover, it's harder than ever to have a pleasant Systemd-free desktop experience, because literally everything is built against it or Elogind now.

#9 Re: Off-topic » Work - or Support for project » 2025-11-08 05:05:51

Are you interested in helping fork Xfce 4.12, SpaceFM, and GTK2?

#10 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] No audio on Excalibur through pipewire on KDE wayland » 2025-08-22 20:47:23

And prize exhibit C:

golinux wrote:

Please take that nonsense to social media. Not appropriate here.

You talk crap to your own users, but the moment someone wants to loosen the tensions here lately, you go all gestapo and start closing and nuking threads/posts. Yet, your own example is to berate people, just as you've been doing for years. That's some of the biggest bullshit I've ever seen, and particularly that you've never contributed a single line of code. Tinkering with generic Clearlooks CSS files and "hosting" a typical small forum is something anyone can do. Developers and maintainers on other distro forums don't pull nearly the kind of crap that goes on here with the (over)moderating, and when they need help, they do it correctly, instead of bitching and moaning to their own loyal users.

The real JOKE is the way things are run here, and maybe even Devuan (it really is just a Debian with some packages that happen to work with SysVinit, a package suite that Debian already provides). You micromanage the living shit out of a public forum. That's what drives people away from here and eventually Devuan altogether. Do you really want that? Keep it up, and eventually your active user count (sans the staff) will be zero. Your failure to listen to what people like Steve_V had to say regarding Devuan's future will ultimately fall on you, and people will move on from this distro. Make your bed, and lay in it.

#11 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] No audio on Excalibur through pipewire on KDE wayland » 2025-08-22 09:24:54

steve_v wrote:

You full-quoted a post? Do you realise what you've done?
lol

Yup, doing it again. Next, I'm sure, is the deprecation of text highlighting...

Those poor, poor bits and bytes that could've been used for more whining instead.

#12 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] No audio on Excalibur through pipewire on KDE wayland » 2025-08-22 08:21:34

steve_v wrote:

Wait, this isn't this go and ralph's pessimistic arguing club? I must have taken a wrong turn somewhere, I swear that's what thesign on the door said...

Probably will be now, since I'm quoting your entire post. Whoops.

#13 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] No audio on Excalibur through pipewire on KDE wayland » 2025-08-22 08:13:29

All I will say is that I'm quite surprised this dumpster fire of a thread is STILL GOING (long after the issue had been marked as solved), when that "joke" thread has been locked not one, but two times already -- and all it took for the latter action was an undesirable regular getting shit on. Greenjeans and I were the only ones who actually posted content that WAS on-topic, instead of dad "jokes" or back-and-forth pessimistic arguing.

#15 Re: Off-topic » The Joke Thread » 2025-08-20 07:15:18

I see now why I switched to Devuan...
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#17 Re: Documentation » Make QT5 and QT6 apps use your GTK theme » 2025-07-20 19:36:14

For good measure...

NO_AT_BRIDGE=1 QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=gtk2 QT_PLATFORMTHEME=gtk2 QT_PLATFORM_PLUGIN=gtk2 GTK_OVERLAY_SCROLLING=0 exec startxfce4 --with-ck-launch

Replace startxfce4 with any other DE or WM of your choosing. The NO_AT_BRIDGE=1 is needed if you're on GTK3 and don't like those extra D-Bus "accessibility" things from GN*ME. GTK_OVERLAY_SCROLLING=0 keeps the scrollbar always visible, even away from focus (never understood why this wasn't the default). --with-ck-launch for the ConsoleKit2 enjoyers (you are still using a part of Systemd with Elogind).

#18 Re: DIY » Announcement of the OpenMATE desktop environment » 2025-07-20 19:30:00

Any updates on this?

All the GitHub URLs still point to a 404 page, which means either you forgot to point us to the active repository or this project is dead. What a shame... Especially in the wake of all this XLibre stuff.

Will continue to just use Xfce 4.12 (GTK2) until I'm finally done with all technology...

#20 Re: DIY » Thumbnail caching script for PcmanFM » 2025-06-27 21:35:09

This looks pretty interesting. Thanks for your contribution!

Would this work with SpaceFM? Since it's forked from PCManFM (before the rewrite).

#21 Re: Off-topic » GNOME is taking the scum bag approach still... » 2025-06-27 19:06:33

GNOME is such a bad joke. Remember when they started a "campaign" against theme makers? All in an ill attempt to claim GTK for themselves... Glad I went back to GTK2 (only stuff like LibreWolf are GTK3, which I unfortunately need to supplement Pale Moon's inability to load a lot of modern Web sites that are bloated).

Also, I highly recommend reading through the original SpaceFM maintainer IgnorantGuru's blog post about GNOME here. It was published way back on November 5, 2012, yet so much of what's written still rings true to this day -- in fact, they've only gotten much worse. A great read, still. The guy mentioning he "doesn't know what Xfce is or does" is the cherry on top.

#22 Re: Off-topic » GNOME is taking the scum bag approach still... » 2025-06-26 22:56:26

The GNOME blog article going off about "fascist maggots" was taken down (out of shame), but you can read the latest archived version here.

#23 Re: Freedom Hacks » Switching to GTK2 from GTK3 on Post-Beowulf Devuan Releases » 2025-06-26 05:55:29

Interestingly, Ardour (a DAW similar to Audacity, but far more advanced with customization features) will remain GTK2-only software (thus no Wayland support) for the foreseeable future. See this post in a Phoronix thread where the original poster cries about it "still" being on GTK2. This one is the most important, which I shall quote below:

From a project-level perspective, perhaps the most important change is that we have moved the source code of our GUI toolkit (GTK v2) into the Ardour source tree. This has no impact whatsoever on people using the builds provided at ardour.org 2.

However, this version of GTK is about to be deprecated by a number of Linux distributions, and without this change it will become more difficult for both individual users and Linux package maintainers to continue building Ardour. This also leaves us free to (slowly) strip down aspects of the toolkit that we do not use, and potentially modify it as needed in the future. It also means that even the distribution builds of Ardour for Linux will contain our patches to GTK, which has historically not been the case.

Q: "Does this mean native Wayland support will come in the future?"
A: No plans for Wayland support. Doing the work will get our users nothing, more or less.

Q: "No plans to update to a newer GTK version?"
A: "No plans to ever move to a newer version of GTK. That work will get our users very little, and so the cost/benefit analysis says “nope”."

#24 Re: DIY » Working on a new app, the learning curve continues... » 2025-06-25 19:29:06

Looks cool. What toolkit are you using?

Apart from probably the search bar, you could also create this using YAD (maybe even Zenity). I've been studying up on some custom GUI boxes using this method. This example for reading system information is one of my favorites I've come across so far (a nice drop-in replacement for Hardinfo). It looks good on GTK2.

#25 Re: Installation » How to Install XLibre on Devuan Daedalus (MATE)? » 2025-06-24 06:25:32

@LibertySysadmin:

If you use IRC, there's also an #xlibre channel at irc.libera.chat. smile

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