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#101 Re: Devuan Derivatives » GNUinOS - Libre » 2022-03-09 20:27:59

zapper wrote:
andyprough wrote:

Just a note that the latest Chimeara and Daedalus ISO's have been uploaded over the past couple of weeks, presumably by @aitor. Very much appreciated, I am downloading and installing now.

Yep, I knew this like a month ago... sorry, I thought you did too.

That being said, updates have been somewhat problematic.  I think he needs to make a libre version of librewolf, ironic? yes, but it has better settings by default anyhow.

Also, icecat is too outdated/slow, to be any use...

I wish this wasn't the  case, but it is.

Trisquel's abrowser is basically the constantly updated version of Icecat - anyone can install it on Devuan/GNUinOS with MagicBanana's little script: https://trisquel.info/en/forum/state-we … ent-164779

For 32-bit Devuan/GNUinOS, just make one small change to the script as I describe here: https://trisquel.info/en/forum/state-we … ent-165331

GNUinOS webpage warns us not to add outside repos, but I think in the case of abrowser we are OK because we are apt pinning all of Trisquel's other packages not to install.

#102 Re: Devuan Derivatives » GNUinOS - Libre » 2022-03-09 17:00:48

Just a note that the latest Chimeara and Daedalus ISO's have been uploaded over the past couple of weeks, presumably by @aitor. Very much appreciated, I am downloading and installing now.

#103 Re: Off-topic » What are you reading/want to read ? » 2022-03-09 16:05:44

amaro wrote:

You then climax in a fit of premature extrapolation

Oh! A bit of good old smut writing. This thread has really been needing a strong pivot into erotica literature.

#104 Re: Off-topic » Show your desktop (rebooted) » 2022-03-09 15:26:03

I had a bit of fun re-spinning antiX Linux 32-bit recently, with Devuan forum member @JWMKIT's assistance. @JWMKIT recommended the wallpaper, and the old buuf icons seemed to fit, so it's been taking on a fun personality.

It's a demonstration of the power of JWM-KIT (the JWM project) to give you pretty much a full desktop experience with only 83mb of memory used at first login. @JWMKIT has also made his own version which has more features, hopefully he'll continue to develop it.

Downloads are here if anyone likes to give it a spin: https://archive.org/details/snapshot-20220301_2142
Logins are antix / antix and root / root. Be safe and backup any valuable data before letting it touch your system.
Libre-antiX-32-buuf.jpg

#105 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] surf browser lots of warnings » 2022-03-08 19:56:05

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
# apt build-dep surf

Then run the make command again.

Build dependencies can be removed afterwards with

# apt purge --autoremove '*-dev'

but that will remove all -dev packages. If you don't want that (check the list before accepting the removal) then use the APT history to delete them manually. Or just leave them installed, they only take up a few hundred MiB of disk space.

You are just a never ending fountain of knowledge, aren't you? When are you going to start your own youtube channel and knock distrotube and Luke Smith off their high perches? They don't know 1/10th the stuff that you do.

I am definitely taking notes on this.

#106 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Alternative browser for Devuan/Debian - Brave » 2022-03-08 19:38:24

amaro wrote:

Devuan 32-bit
A week ago tested IceCat, IceWeasel, Abrowser
Abrowser worked fine (fakebook) and I will keep it as a replacement for FF.
IceCat couldnt load fakebook for about 3 min and I killed it.
IceWeasel worked alright but used too much resources compared to Abrowser.
p.s. I use fakebook and reddit to test browsers cause they are the heaviest sites I use.

Trisquel's abrowser, to my understanding, is pretty much the same as Icecat, but applies the build configs of Icecat to the latest version of Firefox. Icecat only rarely releases an ESR build of Firefox. abrowser has always worked great for me on Devuan, zero issues.

#107 Re: Off-topic » Music » 2022-03-08 15:12:46

hevidevi wrote:

That was a walk in the park, this is dark and moody....

Atrium Carceri - Dark Dungeon Music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noZJARt6uuQ

https://yewtu.be/watch?v=noZJARt6uuQ

That's pretty tame. We used to have synthesizer bands in Fort Worth, Texas that would peel the paint off the insides of your brain. Try this on for size if you want to go down a dark rabbithole - Ohm, rehersal sept98 - http://web.tiscali.it/mizmaze03/Ohm/reh … sept98.MP3

Lots more goodies like that at this wierd old 90s website, "mizmaze": http://www.mizmaze.it/eng/index.htm

#108 Re: Off-topic » Music » 2022-03-07 14:17:27

hevidevi wrote:

Hell of a band hey.

On topic...

Here is some light meditation music for your day....
Rotting Christ - Devadevam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJTmi9cgpKQ

https://yewtu.be/watch?v=zJTmi9cgpKQ

A bit dark and moody, but in their favor they play some actual musical notes and don't have any obvious goat skulls on stage in their concert pictures. And not much screaming in their music from the brief piece I heard. They are like the London Philharmonic of death metal bands I guess.

#109 Re: Off-topic » Music » 2022-03-06 22:59:44

golinux wrote:

@andyprough . . . from the sublime to the ridiculous, eh . . .

We will probably find out in the end that the path to enlightenment was actually through Gorgoroth death metal music all along. Who knew?

#110 Re: Off-topic » Music » 2022-03-06 20:59:42

hevidevi wrote:

Gorgoroth - Twilight of the Idols. Full album.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bn5PoSyS1ng

Hail Satan.

You have to wonder who the losers were that agreed to be hung nude on crosses with bags over their heads throughout their live concerts: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Ji8RGi4cmrI

I hope they got paid well.

I think the hardest thing about being a Gorgoroth musician must be not stabbing their own eyes out with their spikey wristbands and armbands. Certainly nothing even slightly difficult about their music. Just feed a bunch of scratchy noise through amplifiers and play the same guitar note a million times.

Loved the goat skulls on the stage. That was a very nice touch.

I guess I've been Gorgoroth'ed. God seed, or whatever.

#111 Re: Off-topic » Music » 2022-03-06 04:50:45

Listening to a few of my favorite spiritual pieces tonight:
Tibetan singer Dadon Dawadolma with her haunting "Bumblebee" - https://yewtu.be/watch?v=fAsIwK8J-L0

Heart Sutra by Lama Khenpo Pema Choephel Rinpoche - https://yewtu.be/watch?v=xHYh76SoLSc

Elias Argüello singing a gorgeous and passionate rendition of Psalm 139 in Hebrew - https://yewtu.be/watch?v=4DbLmdVX3A4

#112 Re: Installation » alternatives to Mozilla's and Chomethings » 2022-02-28 15:06:54

I've got a friend who has fallen in love with the badwolf browser, another WebKit front-end. Might be worth a try for you. He downloads the adblock lists in a version that's ready to paste into your /etc/hosts file, there's a few preformatted lists like that available on github.

My experience with qute and surf wasn't great, but then again I didn't compile them like you are. I think if I would try them again I would spin up an Arch distro in a vm and see if the AUR had a template for building the latest git version of the browser and the latest git version of the underlying WebKit engine.  If I was satisfied with the results then I would manually compile them on Devuan, tinkering with their configs to suit my tastes. That's a lot of extra time though for something that ultimately probably won't satisfy my needs.

#113 Re: Other Issues » alternative search engine » 2022-02-27 20:53:52

I've tried Ecosia in the past, but not the other two. Ecosia seemed OK, but it was pulling its results straight from Bing, and I like a search engine that does a bit more than just Bing results. DDG works pretty goood for me in that regard. SwissCows.com is another alternative search engine I've enjoyed using in the past.

#114 Re: Installation » alternatives to Mozilla's and Chomethings » 2022-02-27 20:49:52

Ogis1975 wrote:

Luakit on my system is incredibly slow. Slow start up, opens pages very slowly (i solved this problem by disabling hardware acceleration). But the browser itself launches very slowly. In a word, I don’t recommend it to anyone.

For me, it speeds up to an acceptable speed if I've got adblock filters in place and if I'm using noscript in the "disable javascript" setting by default (toggle it to enable js). But, yes, otherwise it suffers from the slowness and limitations of all the webkit-based browsers. They seem particularly slowed down by ads in my experience, moreso than other "major" browsers.

#115 Re: Off-topic » The Dream » 2022-02-26 21:31:27

golinux wrote:

Our delusion builds mental constructs and they are passed down from generation to generation.

This is samsara.  A prison of our own making. Endless dream after dream.

It is possible to stop dreaming but it is a daunting task and very few manage to escape from the endless cycles of birth and death.

There is no other time but NOW!

Fall into it and let the bottom fall out of the dream !!

Samsara is a frightening concept. An endless prison that we are constantly creating for ourselves. Oddly, it's also my all-time favorite movie, by director Pan Nalin: https://archive.org/details/Samsara-PanNalin

Strange how Samsara can stir up such feelings of longing and dark foreboding at the same time. The desire to live past one short lifetime is intense, but the price paid is incalculable. The dangerous river of eternity.

#116 Re: Installation » alternatives to Mozilla's and Chomethings » 2022-02-26 05:05:04

I've been on a similar quest, looking for an independent browser. Seems like I've tried them all at this point. The three that I use most frequently are Luakit, Links2 and Pale Moon.

Luakit is a very capable browser if you configure it correctly and learn enough of the keybindings. If you love Vim or NeoVim for your text editor, you would love Luakit. I wrote up some tips for configuring it for maximum usefulness here: https://trisquel.info/en/forum/configur … it-browser

Links2 is a simple terminal-based browser with no ability to run javascript, but it has a graphical mode and I've gotten a lot out of it. I still use it daily for a lot of my tech forum reading online. I put some tips on making it more useful and making it better looking here: https://trisquel.info/en/forum/graphica … 5mb-memory

Pale Moon is the best of these three. It is a fork of an old version of Firefox, and has changed so much that it is now its own independent browser engine called Goanna. It is quite capable, and has a lot of useful extensions.

#117 Re: Off-topic » What are you reading/want to read ? » 2022-02-21 17:46:51

My favorite book by a communist was The Man on Mao's Right, Ji Chaozhu's autobiography. Driven out of China by the Japanese invasion, he wound up studying at Harvard until his family became involved in Mao's new government and he moved to China to begin a lifelong career as a translator and a foreign affairs diplomat.

Ji Chaozhu always liked noodles better than rice - my kind of guy. For an insider's perspective on the rise and fall and rise and fall and rise and fall of Maoism, this book can't be beat. It's propaganda of course (as all books by politicians and military people are by their very nature), but it's a heck of a good read. A discerning reader would gain quite a bit from it. Non-discerning readers should skip these kinds of books and stick to Harry Potter books or Danielle Steel romantic drama books or something, or just don't read books at all, which is kind of the modern way.

#118 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED-BAD RAM] Browser crashes on Devuan 3 and 4,... » 2022-02-15 19:51:13

Ron wrote:

I only had one 4 gig stick. Just replaced it with one brand new 8 gig stick. Hopefully my browser crashes are now a thing of the past.

Any luck Ron? I'm thinking with double the memory you'll be getting a better experience all around.

#119 Re: Devuan Derivatives » JWM Kit Linux build 20210828 (WOW! What an improvement) » 2022-02-15 15:45:50

JWM-Kit wrote:

@andyprough

Just trying to be helpful.  I want to see you project do well. So I hope you are open to some more suggestions.

The first item is on me to do the work in JWM Kit....

There's a lot to respond to here - would you mind terribly if we move this discussion over to the antiX forum post? https://www.antixforum.com/forums/topic … 21-respin/

I hate to ask you to sign up for an account on another forum, but I also think it's a much better place for this discussion, since the antiX devs could also jump in and talk about some of their thoughts and design decisions. Also, your project is a perfect project for antiX in general, I think it could ultimately find a natural home with the main antiX distro.

Let me know if that's not going to work for you, We can stay here if that's better for you, but over there would be much more productive.

I'm going to post my response to your thoughts in this last post over on that thread, just post something here and tell me if you don't want to join me over there for continued discussion.

#120 Re: Devuan Derivatives » JWM Kit Linux build 20210828 (WOW! What an improvement) » 2022-02-15 04:27:57

JWM-Kit wrote:

I checked out your AntiX respin. Nice. Glad you're keeping 32bit alive. Providing an iso with multiple window manager must be a lot of work. Never heard of zzzfm. Reminds me of SpaceFM. I will have to look into it.

I noticed a few missing icons in the menus. Might I suggest using JWM Kit Icons to add the following icon paths to your config.

/usr/share/icons/papirus-antix/24x24/apps/
/usr/share/icons/antix-papirus/
/usr/share/icons/papirus-antix/24x24/places/

zzzfm is an updated fork of spacefm that's maintained by one of the antiX devs. And the multiple window managers are put in place by the antiX devs upstream - I'm just making a simple respin primarily designed to offer a version of 32-bit antiX without any non-free software or firmware.

The icons that are missing are all because they are menu items pointing to bash scripts or terminal commands. I used Freedesktops from the JWMKIT menu and was able to get all the regular programs together with their icons, but none of the scripts or terminal commands would take an icon, even though icons were available for them. Do you know if this is a known limitation with JWMKIT, where you cannot assign an icon to a menu item representing a script or a terminal command? I wasn't too worried about it.

I will add the icon paths you mentioned in the config, that would make it much easier than assigning the icons to the antiX programs each by hand like I was doing with Freedesktops.

Thanks for your help!!!! I'm really liking JWMKIT the more time I spend in it, and I'm feeling like I'm starting to understand a bit about how it works and it's put together. My first hour with it I was lost, but your wiki pages spell almost everything out.

EDIT: Sorry, you are right - once I added the icon paths, all the icons showed up in the menu, even for the scripts and the terminal commands. OK, this is great!! Looking really good.

#121 Re: Devuan Derivatives » JWM Kit Linux build 20210828 (WOW! What an improvement) » 2022-02-14 21:50:09

JWM-Kit wrote:

You can try out the new JWM Kit Desktops in the new Release of JWM Kit

I just did a new respin of antiX yesterday where I'm showcasing JWMKIT. I should have checked with you first to see if you had a new release in the works.

Got to try this out, might be time for a .1 release to get this in.

I'm getting good feedback so far, people like it. "Better than stock JWM or than Icewm" is what I'm hearing. More organized, better appearance.

#122 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED-BAD RAM] Browser crashes on Devuan 3 and 4,... » 2022-02-13 20:00:16

Ron wrote:

So I installed memtest86+ and ran it. How long is it supposed to run? I cut it off after 2 hours and 46 minutes. I took three pics as it ran, one at 40 minutes, the second at 65 minutes, and the last at 2 hours and 46 minutes. Here they are. It doesn't look good, but I don't know how to decipher what it means

You've got a lot of errors. In the first picture, you have 8,192 errors, 2nd picture 12,288, and 3rd picture you have 30,464. You can see the # of errors count on the far right side of the display, kind of in the lower part of the blue box on top. You did 4 passes (when running memtest86+ just run it for one full pass and then hit the Escape key to exit), so you were averaging about 7,000-8,000 errors per pass.

Did you determine if you have 1 or 2 removable sticks of memory? As I said before, if you have 2 removable sticks, you could test each stick one at a time by itself and determine if you only need to replace one of them.

On the positive side, you have a nice CPU and your temperatures were looking good, so if you get some new ram you should notice a nice overall improvement.

#123 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED-BAD RAM] Browser crashes on Devuan 3 and 4,... » 2022-02-13 14:10:33

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
Ron wrote:

why didn't I experience so many crashes when I was running Devuan 2.1

I'm just guessing here but as Pale Moon is based on a very old version of Firefox code rot might be a factor.

It is important to remember that FF & Chrome are developed by very large teams with massive experience and huge funding whereas Pale Moon is the work of a few developers and seems to be a hobby project rather than a professional operation.

Ahh, good stuff HOAS, the old "intelligent code rot" problem that smartly skips alternating generations of the underlying distro, and the "only two angry men ever look at the code" argument. You are only missing the "Moonchild is a sellout to the evil DuckDuckGo corporation" to hit the daily trifecta.

#124 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED-BAD RAM] Browser crashes on Devuan 3 and 4,... » 2022-02-12 23:39:19

Ron wrote:

Okay, now we're getting somewhere. There are a lot of failures. Are they meaningless, or are they a problem?

I'm not sure, I'm no expert with memtester. I ran it on my machine today to get a better idea of how it works, and I did not get errors.

Hopefully HOAS will pop back into the discussion and give you some advice.

In the meantime, if you have 2 removable sticks of ram, you might want to power off and remove one and run memtester on the other one, then switch them, testing each stick by itself. That's what we used to do to find a bad stick. Remember to run 'free' first each time to get that "available" number.

#125 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED-BAD RAM] Browser crashes on Devuan 3 and 4,... » 2022-02-12 23:13:25

Ron wrote:

Is the below correct? From what I've read it should return "0" but I got a "1".

ron@ron:~$ sudo memtester free 5

No, your memtester command is not correct.

First, run the "free" command to see how much memory you have free:

free

It will give you a number under the "available" column of something like 3376352.

If that were your "available" number, then you would run memtester like so:

sudo memtester 3376 5

or with a number a bit less than 3376.

The reason why your earlier memtester command of 'sudo memtester 3700 5' was killed was because you had less than 3.7G of "available" memory. You want to make sure that you don't ask memtester to test more memory than you currently have "available" according to the 'free' command.

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