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#76 Off-topic » [SOLVED] Devuan GNU/Linux 5 (daedalus) Released as Next Testing! » 2021-08-21 08:54:56

Nili
Replies: 24

New update, today the daedalus-name repo is in use. I successfully passed to the next testing with a single line edit.

# Installed Date 13-08-2020 (stable)
# Upgraded Testing Date 20-08-2020 (chimaera)
# deb cdrom:[Devuan GNU/Linux 3.0 (beowulf) amd64 - netinstall 20200526]/ beowulf contrib main non-free
# Upgraded from chimaera testing to daedalus testing on 23-08-2021

deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus main non-free contrib

With 400 packages i passed for 3min on the next testing.

By the way OS still says "Devuan GNU/Linux 4 (chimaera)" regardless transition went successfully.
I believe the naming should be adjusted on the way.

As impatient as I am, i re-edit myself with nano "/etc/devuan_version", "/etc/issue", "/etc/issue.net" and "/etc/os-release". Of course these will be change when we get the official release name.

 ████ nili@devuan
 ████ Devuan GNU/Linux 5 (daedalus)
 ████ 1:12
 ████ 5.10.46-4
 ████ openbsd-cwm
 ████ 41°C
 ████ 665
 ████ 911M/3.9G 23%

So far my current Devuan Testing says.

Linux tokia 5.10.0-8-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.10.46-4 (2021-08-03) x86_64 GNU/Linux

I see daedalus-testing more faster then chimaera-testing when launch apps. Booting speed seems FAST! on both versions.

70MB startup up to CWM.
Awesome Testing Release!

#77 Re: Off-topic » What other distro are you using (besides devuan)? » 2021-08-21 08:39:44

Fedora Workstation

Curiosity and the wrong thought about GNOME made me to checkup once again after last time. I have it in use about a month two or three, thought i had created the wrong opinion about Fedora, but really it is a fine OS.

Very fresh about updates and fast about my daily tasks.

I'm glad i have installed this one on my new desktop, I do not know how long i will stick on it, but so far i am satisfied.

#78 Other Issues » [Solved] Nautilus Thumbnails FIX! » 2021-06-19 13:35:24

Nili
Replies: 1

Hello! I have been using for several days File Manager Nautilus/Files on frozen-testing Devuan GNU/Linux 4 (chimaera)

03:17 PM ~$ apt-cache policy nautilus
nautilus:
  Installed: 3.38.2-1
  Candidate: 3.38.2-1
  Version table:
 *** 3.38.2-1 500
        500 http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera/main amd64 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

I was having difficulty generating thumbnails on this FM. After some reading on the Internet noticed that a package for generating thumbnails was missing when i did the installation. The package libgdk-pixbuf2.0-bin Fix this concern.

I think this package is essential to generate Thumbnails. Maintainer should set it part of nautilus installation. Thank you!

https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/poli … buf2.0-bin
https://packages.debian.org/search?sear … buf2.0-bin

I hope this topic comes to helps.

Best Regards!

#79 Re: DIY » Creating a Custom Devuan Iso with Preinstalled Packages » 2021-06-14 15:41:55

picom exists on Devuan testing/sid repo for the moment.
https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/poli … ge&q=picom
as it in Debian testing/sid too only.
https://packages.debian.org/search?suit … ords=picom

To have it on Devuan, one must enable testing/sid repo, but (keep in mind these are for test or guts smile)

deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera main non-free contrib

From my testing:

root@devuan:/home/user# apt-get install -s picom
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
The following additional packages will be installed:
  libconfig9 libev4 libxcb-composite0 libxcb-damage0 libxcb-image0 libxcb-randr0 libxcb-render-util0 libxcb-xinerama0
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  libconfig9 libev4 libxcb-composite0 libxcb-damage0 libxcb-image0 libxcb-randr0 libxcb-render-util0 libxcb-xinerama0 picom
0 upgraded, 9 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Inst libconfig9 (1.5-0.4 Devuan:4.0.0/testing [amd64])
Inst libev4 (1:4.33-1 Devuan:4.0.0/testing [amd64])
Inst libxcb-composite0 (1.14-3 Devuan:4.0.0/testing [amd64])
Inst libxcb-damage0 (1.14-3 Devuan:4.0.0/testing [amd64])
Inst libxcb-image0 (0.4.0-1+b3 Devuan:4.0.0/testing [amd64])
Inst libxcb-randr0 (1.14-3 Devuan:4.0.0/testing [amd64])
Inst libxcb-render-util0 (0.3.9-1+b1 Devuan:4.0.0/testing [amd64])
Inst libxcb-xinerama0 (1.14-3 Devuan:4.0.0/testing [amd64])
Inst picom (8.2-1 Devuan:4.0.0/testing [amd64])
Conf libconfig9 (1.5-0.4 Devuan:4.0.0/testing [amd64])
Conf libev4 (1:4.33-1 Devuan:4.0.0/testing [amd64])
Conf libxcb-composite0 (1.14-3 Devuan:4.0.0/testing [amd64])
Conf libxcb-damage0 (1.14-3 Devuan:4.0.0/testing [amd64])
Conf libxcb-image0 (0.4.0-1+b3 Devuan:4.0.0/testing [amd64])
Conf libxcb-randr0 (1.14-3 Devuan:4.0.0/testing [amd64])
Conf libxcb-render-util0 (0.3.9-1+b1 Devuan:4.0.0/testing [amd64])
Conf libxcb-xinerama0 (1.14-3 Devuan:4.0.0/testing [amd64])
Conf picom (8.2-1 Devuan:4.0.0/testing [amd64])

sid repo...

deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged sid main non-free contrib

or, wait until testing becomes stable as it will end on stable sooner or later.

#80 Re: Devuan » Cinnamon desktop will be unmaintained after bullseye » 2021-06-13 22:29:16

I had a good time with Cinnamon when i was a Linux Mint user. It was my first hop on Mint from Ubuntu, well i started with Ubuntu more or less like too many others around 2011. I used to have so much fun tweaking and optimizing Panel Applets
In particular Weather I liked that applet so much, below i made a few comments. This was hmm 2013 or maybe early for me there, that was also the last time i on Linux Mint+Cinnamon. Then a long trip to the different distros i passed.

I have nothing to say only good words and good time i passed with Cinnamon smile

#81 Re: Off-topic » Show your desktop (rebooted) » 2021-06-13 13:52:53

Crossed by dbus, I have no choice but to live with it.

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I let it go SpaceFM after 8 years in regular use for Nautilus.

#82 Re: Off-topic » Show your desktop (rebooted) » 2021-05-31 12:11:58

Hi dice, thanks so much for your explanation that clarifies me even more about this situation. I have described it somewhat here
I am more or less aware of how it can be avoided like you did, but that I did not have the guts to go out and replace tools/apps like geany> neovim> vim, nano, transmission-gtk> rtorrent currently.

On my early build of netinst a year ago, the first steps as far as i remember elogind was recommended to not have Xorg as a root, this snippet was dbus dependent iirc, this was my first encounter with dbus, then libgtk-3-0 came as a necessity for me to use it and this at least depending dbus too, the installation i did almost a year ago, perhaps paths have been changed on the way as i have been testing all the time.

Found in this situation that I saw as inevitable unless i do compiling with minus dbus flag, I ignored it and continued with installing gtk3 apps. I never found peace with Dbus inside me since that day, also because i can't let go some GTK3 GUI and my dependence on them.

So I am in the limbo world now, leavig gui(s) apps that i like and go more terminal way or go to the corner and crying for dbus smile apparently the latter won somehow.

I'm let say 30% cli and 70% gui atm, years ago it was a little more reverse early or before for me and therefore i was more free.
libdbus-1-3 is essential to firefox, i can't run browser without it, this is very minimal package that i used too for years for FF. It can be safely ignored like isn't present..

dice wrote:

I dont have elogind installed.
I dont have xserver-xorg-legacy installed which i believe is how to run Xorg via startx without elogind so would that be using Xorg as root user?
I do use xdm (x-display-manager) and use ~/.xsession as startup file so i believe Xorg should not be running as the root user?

edit: seems x-display-manager doesnt run rootless Xorg and do need xserver-xorg-legacy with Xwrapper set to needs_root_rights=no

As far as I remember elogind must used to not have Xorg as root. I knew no other way if elogind isn't installed Xorg took root powers as it was before. I don't use display manager, i just run simple startx. If i can run xorg without root and without elogind this would open another window of opportunity for me. I will check this matter once again if there is other alternatives.

I am even more clearer now thanks to your post.

Thanks bro, gladly appreciate your time.
Best regards!

#83 Re: Off-topic » Show your desktop (rebooted) » 2021-05-30 16:06:58

Very nice and pretty minimal dice,

Having a NONE dbus inside me has become an impossible mission nowdays (gtk3/devuan4/elogind/apps), although i did not take it seriously to remove it because i want to have some like transmission, geany etc... that depend on dbus.

...But i had a few questions i wanted to ask you on your early scrots.

Did you compile apps without dbus? or simply use GTK2 alone?

Do you have gtk3 installed without dbus? how about elogind, firefox? how they run without dbus on your system?
Your DeadBeeF i believe it runs GTK2 layout.

Also do you use Xorg as a Root or User?

Forgive me for the extra questions and i hope didn't bother you.

#84 Re: Off-topic » Show your desktop (rebooted) » 2021-05-25 10:33:27

@dice thank you, cheers u too. I'm aware that i exaggerated a bit with the long post, only when i finished realized it.

@Ogis1975 very rice bro rice, I did similar with spectrwm a while ago.

WM configs are wonderful.

#85 Re: Off-topic » Show your desktop (rebooted) » 2021-05-23 16:00:23

Minor tweaks since last scrot.

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About Browser: I have been testing for some time Firefox Nightly. Apart Density Compact (not supported) even though i activated it from about:config without the need for "userchrome.css" I do not like at all that they will remove it as an unwanted/used features when clearly have been seen around peple like and use it.
I have been a regular user of Pale Moon for many years. Temporarily made a small exit i think, i'm not sure how long i'll going without it.
Current Mozilla Firefox (Nightly) i find it modern, very fresh, awesome GTK+3/4 themes support, unlike Australis era when i abandoned the Firefox ship. Now Proton kidnapped me entirely.

About Devuan: Almost a quiet year on testing repo.

 list
# Installed Date 13-08-2020 (stable)
# Upgraded Testing Date 20-08-2020 (chimaera)
# deb cdrom:[Devuan GNU/Linux 3.0 (beowulf) amd64 - netinstall 20200526]/ beowulf contrib main non-free

deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera main non-free contrib

The last "base-files" upgrade made the change from Devuan GNU/Linux 4 (chimaera/ceres) to Devuan GNU/Linux 4 (chimaera).
Will not be far off when it becomes official stable. While i will be ready for the next Daedalus-testing round.

Apps: URxvt with transparency & shading features

*.transparent:   true
*.shading:        20
*.blurRadius:     40
*.fading:          0

CWM Window manager, i use on BSD, i'll use it for sure on Linux. After have used almost everyWM possible, CWM offers me simply everything i need from a WM. Devs behind this WM are truly genius, typical of BSD charming.
Conky >conky-std (top) as a panel, very easy couple with CWM offers me the chance to have "click-menu-features" once i click the bar, also having mouse wheel switching apps thanks to WM groups. mpv sticked as my default video/audio player.

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CLI tmux, ranger, top, alsamixer | GUI SpaceFM.

GTK3 Themes: (thanks to EliverLara)
Nordic https://github.com/EliverLara/Nordic
Kimi https://github.com/EliverLara/Kimi
Sweet https://github.com/EliverLara/Sweet
Ant https://github.com/EliverLara/Ant
snow https://github.com/EliverLara/snow
Kripton https://github.com/EliverLara/Kripton
Juno https://github.com/EliverLara/Juno

Icons: Lucrezia
https://github.com/tsbarnes/Lucrezia

Background/Wallpaper: Edo Mura
https://www.flickr.com/photos/cc0/33229040053/

- Original (5160 × 3870)
https://live.staticflickr.com/2869/3322 … c552_o.jpg
- Large 2048 (2048 × 1536)
https://live.staticflickr.com/2869/3322 … 62b6_k.jpg
- Large 1600 (1600 × 1200)
https://live.staticflickr.com/2869/3322 … c7a6_h.jpg

Excuse me for the extra writing, I had some time available smile

#86 Re: Off-topic » Show your desktop (rebooted) » 2021-05-14 16:35:41

Awesome scrots everyone on the (13) page.

#87 Re: Off-topic » Show your desktop (rebooted) » 2021-04-18 14:09:52

No fear at all to me, if a blank or no panel desktop provide an "right click menu" or menu features, i go ahead instantly with that WM.
Simple panel an old habit of mine.

#88 Re: Off-topic » Show your desktop (rebooted) » 2021-04-17 06:31:26

Thanks Ogis1975,
All the credit belongs to the Author, i can't remember where i got it in the albums, for this reason didn't post a direct link.

#89 Re: Off-topic » Show your desktop (rebooted) » 2021-04-16 12:55:35

MLEvD wrote:

I've had them actually running deadbeef, playing music, using less than 100MB ram with a desktop!

Also fits on and runs on 2GiB ssd eee pc 2G surf, but needs to go on a 4G for distribution upgrades, unless upgrading packages one at a time.

That sounds even better regarding minimalism de, the last time i used a DE was very long time on Mint Cinnamon or Fedora GNOME.

WM seems more simpler to me, more manageable and more customizabled, I am aware that it lacks a few components offered by DE, but in both camps there is always hit and miss.

My least 50MB startup efforts.
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#90 Re: Off-topic » Show your desktop (rebooted) » 2021-04-06 07:26:58

MLEvD wrote:

LMDE4 on an asus eee pc with sysvinit and chimaera.

Bro, It is amazing that Linux still rocks at 100MB even on a DE. Congrat on your attempt and achievement.

#91 Re: Off-topic » Archlinux installer » 2021-04-04 13:30:51

I do not see anything negative in their installation changes, despite haven't seen it yet. This can even be view as a way to survey what kind of users it will bring on their home. I'm too for the original Arch way of installing the distro, Command line installs miracles smile

#92 Re: Off-topic » Show your desktop (rebooted) » 2021-04-04 13:05:26

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Devuan GNU/Linux 4 (chimaera/ceres)

WM: CWM / conky-std (panel-top)
Player... MPV / URxvt & jmtpfs to access Android Phone.

#93 Re: DIY » Minimalism Tips » 2021-03-26 10:19:59

3 month calendar with auto close after 60sec.

x-terminal-emulator -title Calendar -geometry 56x10+720+19 -e sh -c 'ncal -3 && sleep 60'

shuffle playing audio/video with mpv

x-terminal-emulator -title mpv--shuffle-playing... -geometry 170x30+0+19 -e mpv --shuffle /music/folder/directory/

set a desktop background with feh, the same code may be used on a wm config to change the image via keyboard/mouse.

feh --randomize --no-fehbg --bg-scale /image/folder/directory/*

#94 Re: DIY » Lowest memory footprint obtained. » 2021-03-26 10:05:08

By the way this thread reminds me many fun time at #!/LinuxBBQ, on Crunchbang we had a club that we called Club-100.
It was a place for all people that runs 100MB or under at idle, later i jump to BBQ and learned there was a Club-50 for people under 50MB.
I got into the later club very badly. There were some inaccessible lunatics at BBQ that were hardly to come close to.

Someone have booted the system manually by hand one by one with only 9MB. And it wasn't the 70's or 80's but 2016 LoL.

#95 Re: DIY » Lowest memory footprint obtained. » 2021-03-26 09:42:59

The lowest i did from 2019 - Devuan (jessie) 26MB - Fluxbox, GTK2, kernel 3.16, xorg as a root etc...
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/488 … 4325_o.png
I tinkered a lot Jessie version and used for almost 2 year, and a total of 8 years incl #! Waldorf, BunsenLabs, Debian 8/Devuan 1.
This was my best achievement.
Please, don't ask for fluxbox config because i don't have it anymore.

Currently 70MB - Devuan GNU/Linux 4 (chimaera/ceres) - CWM, GTK3, kernel latest from testing, xorg as a user etc...
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/510 … 53e2_o.png
I can't approximate the 1rst ones due to nature of changes it has undergone Debian/Devuan ~ kernel, GTK GUI and other services or apps from "Jessie to chimaera/ceres 2012-2019". I may reduce to 50MB if i untick some services or change the way of shell or drop sudo, conky, smartctl, but i'm not going to do now.
P.S. If anyone needs A CWM config let me know.

The most unwanted service is dbus, i really don't want it and can't let it go without taking with it many apps i use neutral

[sudo] password for nili: 
root@tokia:/home/nili# apt-get purge dbus
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
  adwaita-icon-theme geany-common glib-networking-common glib-networking-services gtk-update-icon-cache libapparmor1 libatk-bridge2.0-0 libatk1.0-0 libatk1.0-data libatkmm-1.6-1v5 libatspi2.0-0
  libcairomm-1.0-1v5 libcolord2 libdbusmenu-glib4 libdbusmenu-gtk3-4 libdconf1 libevent-2.1-7 libffmpegthumbnailer4v5 libglibmm-2.4-1v5 libjson-glib-1.0-0 libjson-glib-1.0-common libminiupnpc17 libnatpmp1
  libpangomm-1.4-1v5 libpcrecpp0v5 libproxy1v5 libsigc++-2.0-0v5 smartmontools spacefm-common transmission-common
Use 'apt autoremove' to remove them.
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  dbus* dbus-x11* dconf-gsettings-backend* dconf-service* elogind* geany* glib-networking* gsettings-desktop-schemas* gsmartcontrol* libayatana-appindicator3-1* libayatana-ido3-0.4-0*
  libayatana-indicator3-7* libgtk-3-0* libgtk-3-common* libgtkmm-3.0-1v5* libpam-elogind* librest-0.7-0* libsoup-gnome2.4-1* libsoup2.4-1* spacefm-gtk3* transmission-gtk*
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 21 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
After this operation, 64.2 MB disk space will be freed.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n]

I may hit Y, i may do replacements of geany >vim, transmission > rtorrent, libgtk-3-* >libgtk-2-*, spacefm >nnn or compiling spacefm without dbus, gsmartcontrol >smartctl and purge that thing. I may do it, but all the GUI(s) from GTK3 apps i want em used, so i'm **** up with Dbus this time and i have no time to mess with it, despite not like it at all, and eating me 10MB from startup due to elogind+others.

I killed (purged) "at-spi2-core" with her two services, so i regained 10MB of DBUS.
I put the below no-at-bridge to .profile of user to ignore her warning, anyway i got complain of at-bridge on root, Im live with that warn down there.

# Fix this warn ---> AT-SPI: Error retrieving accessibility bus address: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.a11y.Bus was not provided by any .service files <--- for GTK3
# Package: at-spi2-core
export NO_AT_BRIDGE=1

Fighting Dbus i find not very easy task to do, i may step back to GTK2 and i know how to kill it once and for all, but I will not go down there anymore. So 70MB for me on chimaera/ceres.

Regards!

By the way, i tinkered Alpine Linux many times with 40MB, have no scrot to prove it. BUT I DID IT! smile

#96 Re: Off-topic » Digital minimalism. How many applications do you use daily » 2021-03-25 17:31:28

I'm the type who prefers a single app for purpose except where they are dotted.
Commonly vary as follows...

OS: Devuan
X session: startX
WM: CWM
GUI: GTK3
Browser: Mozilla Firefox
File Manager: SpaceFM
Audio/Video player: MPV
Text Editor: nano, Geany
Torrenting: Transmission-gtk
Image View/Desktop backgrounds sets: FEH
Terminal: rxvt-unicode
Screenshots capture: scrot
System Info: conky, inxi, top
Calendar: URxvt/ncal
SMART: GSmartControl
Other snippets: rcconf, fdupes, mediainfo, alsa-utils, deborphan, ntfs-3g, youtube-dl, jmtpfs, ncdu etc...

#97 Re: Off-topic » Show your desktop (rebooted) » 2021-02-20 07:27:25

Edited: I wiped accidentally the scrots while i was cleaning the host-folder, another one from scratch.
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nnn+mpv
Devuan+CWM

#98 Re: Off-topic » Show your desktop (rebooted) » 2021-01-31 21:35:15

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Pretty fine GTK theme i found recently, i'm sharing the link in case anyone might give a try.

Juno
https://github.com/EliverLara/Juno
https://www.gnome-look.org/p/1280977/

#99 Re: Off-topic » Show your desktop (rebooted) » 2021-01-25 14:43:33

Ogis1975 wrote:

Great screen. As always. By the way, you may be able to compile the latest version of this program. You can compile with your user rights .... but you may need to install many dependencies (compiler, etc.) so I don't know if it's worth it.

Thanks smile I may do it compiling, however there is no drastic change on the latest version, I'm saving it at a more convenient time. I hope we've better support for mouse wheel group/window(s) switching in the future, I was on their IRC channel and talked about a chance to make any adjustments against button 4/5 (mouse wheel). If this is to be achieved then i am all hands ready to compile/test it.

For now, It's ok having version from testing. Personally I like this WM, I do not know how long it will last on me, so far i am satisfied with its simplicity and modesty. BSD style is evident on CWM. Lean and mean.

#100 Re: Off-topic » Show your desktop (rebooted) » 2021-01-17 14:23:51

Ogis1975 wrote:

Nice, Nili. I have a question. What version of your wm (cwm) are you using? 6.3-1? By the way, i also use ncal smile Here screen

Hello Ogis1975, Thank you smile I just saw your message very late, probably because the forum was somewhat OFF a few days ago.
I'm using CWM from testing repo (chimaera/ceres) or Devuan GNU/Linux 4 (chimaera/ceres) exactly:

apt-cache policy cwm
cwm:
  Installed: 6.6-2
  Candidate: 6.6-2
  Version table:
 *** 6.6-2 500
        500 http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera/main amd64 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

By Devuan repository v6.3-1 belongs to Devuan 3 (stable/beowulf). Apparently i have a number in advance due to testing. Meanwhile the latest version is v6.7. I'm not clear why it hasn't enter on sid/testing for months?. Well, perhaps it was explained somewhere, but i have missed finding it.

I like to use ncal aswell, i really don't need another calendar apps. ncal -3 fills well for three months in this selection.
From my .cwmrc i use it via keybind Alt+C = Calendar

bind-key M-c "x-terminal-emulator -title Calendar -geometry 56x10+1454+23 -e sh -c 'ncal -3 && sleep 60'"

With "sleep 60" feature to closed itself after 60sec.

To stick on topic,
I got a new monitor HP 27w 1080p for few bucks, i'm using on my old DELL hardware via VGA. It looks way better than the previous monitors i used. So glad i made an upgrade on my screen.

Current scrot:
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