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#76 Re: Off-topic » deb.sury.org now requires systemd » 2020-04-12 22:49:53
of course @golinux. i reported several errors and problems in multi language installations. i also try to install and investigate why devuan does not work with blind people.. (in language select just after 70th lang index .. the rest of lang are not sound icons)
also i have many packages that can work perfectly in devuan and finally made several articles of how to install and performs devuans use cases for special targets like voip..
... i guess i made "some thing"...
#77 Re: Off-topic » deb.sury.org now requires systemd » 2020-04-12 20:35:28
@tdrnetworks provided repos.. but for how many time? will be dedicated ? companies can rely on? in the sury ones.. we already know that (by casuality) the same guy are the DD of the php packages (and many shit more with systemd involved.. how interesting)
now some time ago i'm glad to see how devuan are suffering due in old times dont make any effort property!
i filed some issues agains the deb sury due the mantainer are just a fashioned person that uses the sury repos to own fame!
now by the popular usage of those repos.. will enforce the system-shit and we cannot do anything!
when you all people will join forces and make something?
@tdrnetworks why you dont make this builds part of the backports packages of devuan? an extra and apart repo only means that one day will end..
#78 Re: Devuan » make TDE desktop default and sothen devuan as different distro option » 2020-01-23 14:05:01
puff all the responses are "minimalist.. bloabed" but pretend to be "complete distro" .. minimalist does not work with blind persons.. yesterday tested devuan ascii and @mijailo arso reports that installer cause some problems https://t.me/DevuanGnuLinux/3165
it's not xtrange devuan ascii still cause problems for blind persons.. that not happened in debian 9 counterpart.. devuan 1.0 does not work well neither, important note: as it works for those who are in the forum/devel team, them ignore the real world outside, ... sad.. very sad
#79 Re: Devuan » make TDE desktop default and sothen devuan as different distro option » 2020-01-21 22:02:11
Of the 4 WM that I tried - JWM was overall winner with applications menu and a taskbar/panel that is closest in function to those found on full desktop environments like XFCE..
seem do you not understand as "complete" but i try to clarify..
orca tryes to read any element on a window.. including those from proper window manager.. by exampel if you opens a windo menu from title bar.. will raise options like "stiky above" or "maximixe" or "over all desktop" but in case of openbvox that interface are GTK with proper theming..
blind persons that are one of my extreme examples wil lnot have a propeer support in devuan with refracta installer and al of those "derivates" work..
the other example, obviously if i try to install some things like oracle applications will fail ..
anydesk now install perfectly but ... well.. nomachine need tunning..
#80 Re: Devuan Derivatives » List of Devuan derivatives » 2020-01-21 20:58:52
take easy golinux .. the 3 winner are great work.. now i have a positive response from trinity desktop i recommended to talk in the irc with them.. both projects may improve their respective problems..
#81 Re: Devuan » make TDE desktop default and sothen devuan as different distro option » 2020-01-21 20:54:13
mckaygerhard wrote:do you know that LXDE/LXQT git are directly the sources for packagin rather a tar watch as does traditionally with packages .. since almost always?
I'm aware that almost all packages start out as upstream tarballs that get turned into debian packages by debian developers. They also get turned into other kinds of packages for other distros. But I don't understand what you're trying to say about lxde/lxqt.
you will notice the labor saving by seeing that lxde packages do not use tarball but the upstream url directly!
It might be five years. I'm not sure. The major change that I see is that jessie was 2 years late (after the release of debian jessie) ascii was one year late, and beowulf is about half a year late. Collaborative efforts have sprung up between devuan and debian, and as a result, elogind is available in debian. I see new devuan developers who have arrived in the past year, and we continue to get new users who thought they were ok with systemd but changed their minds after they used it for some time. I think we're doing just fine.
thas explain all the noise around the elogind problem.. well at least elogind are still there.. resolution B are not the best but was something! i dont know if the resolution voted was a help .. but .. well systemd guys still are there .. lest see how will result all of this!
has been a great improvement but notice the psychological wear it has caused .. let's remember that you guys don't have all the free time in the world .. and that they are not always enough .. lest remenber the noise about devuan.pro ...
#82 Re: Devuan Derivatives » List of Devuan derivatives » 2020-01-21 20:27:41
three years passed and my words remained a hard as permanent truth, so lest check in that time:
still Winner: Dowse - http://dowse.eu/ ARM an raspberry focused, very featured linux, but not so light does not work well in older arm rasberry fist devices.. since last review by me..this project was grow and seems still used Devuan.. i hope as it used devuan also collaborate with too
raised second: EterTICs - https://gnuetertics.org/descargar.php good well done guys! enough multimedia tools and support for blind people, using defualt debian installer.. thanks! but still need tuning!
downgrade to 3rth: Exe GNU/Linux - http://exegnulinux.net featured! comes with something that other does not offer, complete desktop without take more than 400 mb ram, why used a limited LXQT if we have trinity for same RAM price!? that's why are in second place!
the rest:
downgraded to 4th: dyne:bolic oh soon now a linux with dark theme with a ugly desktop, lest analyze: multimedia with ugly things.. umm i dont know rick! looks false!
Star - https://sourceforge.net/projects/linnix : still nothing more than a devuan with "light" desktop (mostly windown managers not more), and 32bit work slower in asus eepc and hp P4 based cpu, raised to the 6th place due are active and the only feature are a theming in black
Refracta - http://www.ibiblio.org/refracta : featured the refracta software, nothing more that we cannot do in the current devuan, refracta does not work for blind persons.. so for what are that thing?
good-life-linux - https://sourceforge.net/projects/good-life-linux/ only a Devuan with LXDE preinstaled nothigs more that a black highly innovative (again) theme from fashion today
Gnuinos - http://gnuinos.org : nothing special.. page are empty and there's no sing of life! in fact still does not work well in some x86 older so why making light
MIYO - https://sourceforge.net/projects/miyolinux/ too minimized and does not featured nothing, currently dead now.. snif sniff
Nelum-dev1 - https://sourceforge.net/projects/nelum-dev1 : due now death was very heavy to use... nothing more than some theming featured.. yes.. again highly innovative dark theme..
heads - https://heads.dyne.org/about.html : when user download all the preinstalled software are outdated (kakaka, nonsense)
Crowz - https://sourceforge.net/projects/crowz/: only a devuan linux with openbox or jwm with another "dark" again theme wow a new highly innovative dark (again) theme.. great!
Vuu-do - https://sourceforge.net/projects/vuu-do/ ?? seems that not featured nothing rather than a openbox install?
ALLIEN .. https://sourceforge.net/projects/alien-os-mnml/ errr.. same as previous.. does not featured.. well .. all you know what its.. inclusivelly only uses german keyboard!! puff
#83 Re: Devuan » make TDE desktop default and sothen devuan as different distro option » 2020-01-21 19:20:14
...Right now, there are too few of us, and we're all busy with other things.
how many years was passed .. umm only 3 years.. and there's less event more? puff we need change something for sure!
do you know that LXDE/LXQT git are directly the sources for packagin rather a tar watch as does traditionally with packages .. since almost always?
#84 Re: Devuan Derivatives » exegnulinux » 2020-01-21 19:00:39
dzz, would you consider sharing the things that you learnt while making exe linux by creating a wiki page with advices and tweaks for the users who "manually" install TDE on Devuan? I saw the wiki already has a link but it sends to an empty/non-existent page: https://friendsofdevuan.org/doku.php/de … lling5-tde
i was working in provide specific things and tips for devuian in that wiki but one day all the things goes to the garbage.. so i let that shit in that way.. only empty pages..
#85 Re: Devuan » make TDE desktop default and sothen devuan as different distro option » 2020-01-21 18:55:25
FYI, we do have blind users on Devuan. And the speakup community was consulted when the minimal-live iso was designed. Perhaps something is getting lost in translation. I do not always understand what you are trying to say like "sothen" in the topic of this thread.
maybe a better response was "what are you triying to said with that .. or that.. etc" well.. try to not learn by the bad way..
trinity desktop cannot be in any debian oficial or devuan oficial repository YET due two reasons:
* uses prefix=/opt due the scheme naming convention namespaces respect kde ones
* there's still many applications with same name as kde4 counterparts
* there's too many defaults settings that are winbutu specific due developers seems used that, like sudo..
currently trinity team are made those changes but since raised kde4 that work are not finished yet! so if both teams join efforts can provide a complete desktop.. and i must point here that TDE are far far away more faster thant LXQT of course..
by example those issue not make sense in alpine deskop due alpine does not have kde4 related packages.. so are easyle in that case.. but devuan provides amarok from kde4 that have same applilcation name in the trinity suite...
#86 Re: Devuan » make TDE desktop default and sothen devuan as different distro option » 2020-01-21 18:12:53
golinux wrote:If Xfce goes south I suspect we might move to a WM rather than full-blown desktop as the default.
Please consider moving to LXQT as well.
It's a full-featured desktop (or almost), and faster than both XFCE and LXDE.
it's clear that all of you dont use TDE any time! any body that tested TDE and LXQT see the clear and faster difference between the TDE and the LXQT.. pcman already said on time ago that QT are more easy to develop but of course consumes a lot more rather GTK and now qt5 obviously consumes LOT more thant any TDE application..
later golinux said:
Wrong (as so much else in your post). Devuan's minimal-live iso is customized to meet the needs of blind and visually impaired users. If you don't like Devuan you have plenty of other choices.
if devuan will use on a wm only how the orca can read the positions? and does not work.. puff
also refracta installer in live-cd does not work with orca! neither..
but take easy i currently tested the beowulf lasted with @Mijailo_Arsco : https://www.blindworlds.com/usuario/ver/mijailo-arsco to give another oportunity and see what are changed in devuan
#87 Re: Devuan » Debian has fallen. What now? » 2020-01-21 13:13:56
It's not a high priority task. However, if you will build and maintain TDE packages in Devuan repo - why not?
your response was very much better rather than anybody from devuan staff.. are a big task but maybe a well made script to automatically builds..
currently trinity desktop have packages..but due kde namespace scheme some applications may conflict with counterparts in kde4, so their builds are made using "/opt/ as prefix.. that are a pain in the ass to make integrated into any distribution..
due that so then a possible solution its to introduce conflilcts agains kde4 applications.. but this are not so easy and also introduces limits to users..
then, my proposal are a "official derivative work" using the EXE gnu linux as initial work, until the kde namespace scheme was complety migrated to the TDE naming scheme , for that i opened this issue https://sourceforge.net/p/exegnulinux/tickets/6/
#88 Re: Devuan » make TDE desktop default and sothen devuan as different distro option » 2020-01-20 18:11:14
We discussed having Trinity in Devuan years ago. It never went anywhere. Trinity is available in the Devuan derivative Exe GNU/Linux - http://exegnulinux.net
well as discusses with jaromil in the telegram group at the last weekend.. obtuses as always.. no wonder because it's hard to keep devuan.. well.. i just use it..
Feel free to package Trinity for Devuan and we will consider including it. If Xfce goes south I suspect we might move to a WM rather than full-blown desktop as the default.
i try to make an effort as i do lasted years.. i provided some packages and well let's see what can be done... but "I suspect we might move to a WM rather than full-blown desktop" said that Devuan are not a solution for blind persons or end users.. sorry guys but.. that's not a path!
#89 Devuan » make TDE desktop default and sothen devuan as different distro option » 2020-01-20 17:20:33
- mckaygerhard
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The Trinity Desktop Environment (TDE) released TDE R14.0.7 version, the mayor feature are that compiles in alpine linux due recent support to Muslc... as complete software desktop environment designed for Unix-like operating systems, offers all the features of heavyweight desktops but fits in all low end computers.. it's so light as xfce4 inclusively as like LXDE desktop.
Devuan to differentiate and have less work should be allied with TDE, which does not depend on systemd and additional is complete, is like having a heavy desktop without heavy requirements, this would differentiate Devuan from other linux and help the development of both projects ... a right decision could be join efforts and make the package as default desktop.. integrated into the main distro and make it the right choose for all Devuan users.. but for sure will goes to minimalist way and denies that idea!
https://www.trinitydesktop.org/
i take note about the EXE gnu linux but seems have not documentation and are not preproducible.. so why not join effors with TDE community? ovbiously TDE team are nto so open due seems are winbuntu related but.. well
#90 Re: Devuan » Debian has fallen. What now? » 2020-01-20 13:44:23
puff i remenber some years ago when i vaticine that! .. https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=6939#p6939 cited specific:
we must take in consideration the workload to manpowers in devuan, what happened when project grow so many more thant the amount of developer can support? will be good a little of cooperative help beetweent MANY and not litle distros
as was happened in "soilet green" novel.. future are now..
a good idea are join effors with trinity desktop.. but of course veterans bla bla will want to maintain minimalist and that's make sense..
i like the minimalist way that devuan are, works efficiently but still haves issues.. due lack of usage with diversity of users..
ah.. dont come "hat are you done to help" . due i have my points.. and i done a lot .. ok not only just make live isos puff
#91 Re: DIY » No dbus and compiling FF » 2019-11-27 00:47:15
mckaygerhard wrote:OBS provides easyle and agnostic environment for right dependences (where you can see if all are meet or fails for some one)
if i were going to compile ff at all, part of the reason would be limited trust in opensuse infrastructure, so i dont think compiling locally is "stupid" at all.
well i'm talking about that not all the people has YOUR/needed resources.. last time i compiled chromium it takes all the night 
so a good solution it's that obs service..
however, im aware that devuan has (or at least had) a build cluster. i would trust that over one controlled by opensuse. after all, they control it-- not opensuse. and if they screw up, theyre the ones accountable-- not opensuse.
yeah, of course are best a good environment... but not all the people meet all the requeriments or have enought knowledge/time .. obs are for any novice as expert at same equals
i'm not fan of obs neither opensuse rmp related distro.. but i'm talking about simple and quick access.. not a complete signed gpg and those complicated things.. just for those thant only need the compilation and distribution in some place..
#92 Re: Devuan » Debian considering going systemd init only » 2019-11-26 14:44:14
mckaygerhard wrote:without offending you that it's bit stupid.. maybe you can build your package locally just at final stage.. and some other must use OBS to don't waste own resources. compiling FF or chromium browsers need huge amount of resources.. that OBS provides easyle and agnostic environment for right dependences (where you can see if all are meet or fails for some one)
You dont get it, im not going to build Firefox or Palemoon from source, i was just asking questions.
ah ok.. in any case! this topic are not for that! my post contribution was about the https://www.mail-archive.com/dng@lists. … 26212.html mail.. with an article.. at https://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com/2019/ … -from.html
buit noted now with another face! if those desition will happened! could be a new exodus.. and Devuan will get new developers and manpowers! i hope then that will happened! 
#93 Re: DIY » No dbus and compiling FF » 2019-11-26 14:14:46
mckaygerhard wrote:what's the problem? OBS works fine for build FF and/or palemoon.. i have my own packages.. for ascii of course .. but not without dbus and for puseshit i'm using apulse
Ive never heard of OBS until it was mentioned just now. Not going to sign up for it though, if i build something ill do it locally.
without offending you that it's bit stupid.. maybe you can build your package locally just at final stage.. and some other must use OBS to don't waste own resources. compiling FF or chromium browsers need huge amount of resources.. that OBS provides easyle and agnostic environment for right dependences (where you can see if all are meet or fails for some one)
#94 Devuan » was the software of the https://pkginfo.devuan.org/ page search? » 2019-11-25 22:43:15
- mckaygerhard
- Replies: 1
whats the software of the https://pkginfo.devuan.org/ search web packages?
#95 Re: DIY » No dbus and compiling FF » 2019-11-25 22:42:02
HevyDevy wrote:Looks like you would need to build firefox from source to be able to patch it, would that be right?
Yes, that's right. For Debian-derived systems it is possible to use the OBS to make it for you, accounts are free.
what's the problem? OBS works fine for build FF and/or palemoon.. i have my own packages.. for ascii of course .. but not without dbus and for puseshit i'm using apulse
#96 Re: Devuan » Debian considering going systemd init only » 2019-11-25 11:40:46
i created an article about the situation for making sense around... https://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com/2019/ … -from.html taking in consideeration the mail about "devuan cannot exist without help of debian" of those days.. at https://www.mail-archive.com/dng@lists. … 26212.html
... i remenber when here in most ancient msg "we are enought".. we are not an island! always will need help from the others distributions and specially from Debian unlesss make ther own packages and not cached the ones..
Good job but some things must be changed.. respect collaborations...
#97 Re: Off-topic » Life after Firefox » 2018-12-13 18:11:45
about firefox, debian builds firefox with alsa by default ...
i tested slimjet and i think (due i dont use youtube to work) its the most efficient and faster browser!
#98 Re: Documentation » Make a mirror of devuan package repository with a modified debmirror » 2018-06-05 11:59:10
ah the MS takeover!! yes now many github project will migrate to gitlab! yes!
well i not found any similar at gitlab
but i think that this are not necesary.. do you read the complete threath?
#99 Re: News & Announcements » Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta is here! » 2018-04-11 09:05:05
it¿s not rare to me this problem .. seems Devuan unlike Debian have very problems in environment with multilanguajes, by example my keyboard are always english no matter what i choose.. i have setup rusian and spanish and have lot of problems
so since those, i only use devuan for servers, here devuan are very good.. but for desktops : no way
#100 Re: News & Announcements » New minetest and mods for non-systemd debian systems » 2018-03-30 22:12:33
a debian live disk with minetest 0.4.16 will be released soon stay tuned: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/venenux … 9RzS1_BwAJ
new backported minetest 0.4.16 backported for devuan (WIP) here:
echo 'deb https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/vegnuli:/minetest/Debian_8.0/ /' > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/home:vegnuli:golang.list
wget -nv https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/vegnuli:/minetest/Debian_8.0/Release.key -O Release.key
apt-key add - < Release.key
apt-get update
apt-get install minetest minetest-servermore packages wil be backported for wheeze and others soon.. the package are in beta testing and some mods maybe not work due newer features, soo a live disk will be released for, win all included
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