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tried both suggestions on that page and with both get same output
$ vim newfile
vim newfile $it also started adding the current folder after the 'user@domain' so all that was seen was actually the 'user@domain' which was not very helpful.
that's with 'xfce4-terminal'.
with 'terminator' it did not work at all.
so I copied the '.bashrc' from Arch and added
trap 'echo -ne "\033]2;$(history 1 | sed "s/^[ ]*[0-9]*[ ]*//g")\007"' DEBUGit's not as good as I was expecting it to be but it's better.
Have just finished 'General's daughter', Nelson DeMille.
Excellent military detective novel.
Lots of suspects, lots of good dialog, plus some very clever observations from the two main characters regarding both professional and personal relationships.
"It’s a problem, you know, Paul, dealing with stupid people. You project your own intelligence and rationality onto a person who is a complete idiot, and he lets you down."
There is a movie based on the book starring Travolta but it does not match the book's quality.
p.s. it's for 18+ readers because of the details of the private life of the victim.
Hello everybody!
When I use 'vim' with 'xfce4-terminal' the name of the opened file doesn't appear in the title bar. Instead it shows either 'Untitled' or ' user@domain'.
When I use vim with 'terminator' it shows '/usr/bin/vim' but not the file's name.
Is it possible to show opened file name in both?
I already have 'replace initial title' activated in both.
p.s. Even when I open either 'terminator' or 'xfce4-terminal' as 'root' it doesn't show 'root@domain' but still 'user@domain'.
What is missing here?
Hello everybody!
'viber' asks for authentication via scanning qr code upon every reboot.
I don't have such problem on Arch.
How to make it permanent?
Hello everybody!
I use 'moc' to play radio streams. I have playlist with 'http' streams that works fine.
Recently one of the streams stopped working. I got the new stream address from their site but it's 'https' and moc cannot play it.
I installed 'cmus' cause in the past (on Arch Linux) it was working with streams that 'moc' cannot play.
To my surprise 'cmus' (on Devuan) couldn't play it either.
Any suggestions are appreciated!
Thank you in advance!
p.s. For the record, I can play 'https' streams with 'mpv'.
Excellent article, written 10 years ago, very relevant
Your brain on pseudoscience: the rise of popular neurobollocks
The human brain, it is said, is the most complex object in the known universe. That a part of it “lights up” on an fMRI scan does not mean the rest is inactive; nor is it obvious what any such lighting-up indicates; nor is it straightforward to infer general lessons about life from experiments conducted under highly artificial conditions. Nor do we have the faintest clue about the biggest mystery of all – how does a lump of wet grey matter produce the conscious experience you are having right now, reading this paragraph? How come the brain gives rise to the mind? No one knows.
So, instead, here is a recipe for writing a hit popular brain book. You start each chapter with a pat anecdote about an individual’s professional or entrepreneurial success, or narrow escape from peril. You then mine the neuroscientific research for an apparently relevant specific result and narrate the experiment, perhaps interviewing the scientist involved and describing his hair. You then climax in a fit of premature extrapolation, inferring from the scientific result a calming bromide about what it is to function optimally as a modern human being. Voilà, a laboratory-sanctioned Big Idea in digestible narrative form. This is what the psychologist Christopher Chabris has named the “story-study-lesson” model, perhaps first perfected by one Malcolm Gladwell. A series of these threesomes may be packaged into a book, and then resold again and again as a stand-up act on the wonderfully lucrative corporate lecture circuit.
@Head_on_a_Stick
Thank you, HoaS!
Used the first option and everything went fine. Surf works, no more warnings.
For the record, needed to add 'deb-src' to 'sources.list'.
$ make -j$(nproc)
surf build options:
cp config.def.h config.h
CC = c99
c99 -fPIC `pkg-config --cflags x11` `pkg-config --cflags gtk+-3.0 gcr-3 webkit2gtk-4.0` -DVERSION=\"2.1\" -DGCR_API_SUBJECT_TO_CHANGE -DLIBPREFIX=\"/usr/local/lib\" -DWEBEXTDIR=\"/usr/local/lib/surf\" -D_DEFAULT_SOURCE -O1 -c surf.c
Package x11 was not found in the pkg-config search path.
Perhaps you should add the directory containing `x11.pc'
to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
No package 'x11' found
Package gtk+-3.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path.
Perhaps you should add the directory containing `gtk+-3.0.pc'
to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
No package 'gtk+-3.0' found
Package gcr-3 was not found in the pkg-config search path.
Perhaps you should add the directory containing `gcr-3.pc'
to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
No package 'gcr-3' found
Package webkit2gtk-4.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path.
Perhaps you should add the directory containing `webkit2gtk-4.0.pc'
to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
No package 'webkit2gtk-4.0' found
Package x11 was not found in the pkg-config search path.
Perhaps you should add the directory containing `x11.pc'
to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
No package 'x11' found
CFLAGS = -fPIC -DVERSION="2.1" -DGCR_API_SUBJECT_TO_CHANGE -DLIBPREFIX="/usr/local/lib" -DWEBEXTDIR="/usr/local/lib/surf" -D_DEFAULT_SOURCE -O1
Package gtk+-3.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path.
Perhaps you should add the directory containing `gtk+-3.0.pc'
to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
No package 'gtk+-3.0' found
Package webkit2gtk-4.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path.
Perhaps you should add the directory containing `webkit2gtk-4.0.pc'
to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
No package 'webkit2gtk-4.0' found
Package webkit2gtk-web-extension-4.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path.
Perhaps you should add the directory containing `webkit2gtk-web-extension-4.0.pc'
to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
No package 'webkit2gtk-web-extension-4.0' found
Package gio-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path.
Perhaps you should add the directory containing `gio-2.0.pc'
to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
No package 'gio-2.0' found
Package gcr-3 was not found in the pkg-config search path.
Perhaps you should add the directory containing `gcr-3.pc'
to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
No package 'gcr-3' found
Package webkit2gtk-4.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path.
Perhaps you should add the directory containing `webkit2gtk-4.0.pc'
to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
No package 'webkit2gtk-4.0' found
WEBEXTCFLAGS = -fPIC -O1
LDFLAGS =
c99 -fPIC `pkg-config --cflags webkit2gtk-4.0 webkit2gtk-web-extension-4.0 gio-2.0` -O1 -c webext-surf.c
Package webkit2gtk-4.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path.
Perhaps you should add the directory containing `webkit2gtk-4.0.pc'
to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
No package 'webkit2gtk-4.0' found
Package webkit2gtk-web-extension-4.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path.
Perhaps you should add the directory containing `webkit2gtk-web-extension-4.0.pc'
to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
No package 'webkit2gtk-web-extension-4.0' found
Package gio-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path.
Perhaps you should add the directory containing `gio-2.0.pc'
to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
No package 'gio-2.0' found
surf.c:9:10: fatal error: glib.h: No such file or directory
9 | #include <glib.h>
| ^~~~~~~~
compilation terminated.
make: *** [Makefile:31: surf.o] Error 1
make: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs....
webext-surf.c:9:10: fatal error: gio/gio.h: No such file or directory
9 | #include <gio/gio.h>
| ^~~~~~~~~~~
compilation terminated.
make: *** [Makefile:37: webext-surf.o] Error 1some package are missing but are not available
# apt search webkit2gtk
Sorting... Done
Full Text Search... Done
libwebkit2gtk-4.0-37/stable,now 2.34.1-1~deb11u1 i386 [installed]
Web content engine library for GTK
libwebkit2gtk-4.0-dev/stable 2.34.1-1~deb11u1 i386
Web content engine library for GTK - development files
libwebkit2gtk-4.0-doc/stable 2.34.1-1~deb11u1 all
Web content engine library for GTK - documentation
webkit2gtk-driver/stable 2.34.1-1~deb11u1 i386
WebKitGTK WebDriver support# apt search webkit2gtk-web-extension gio
Sorting... Done
Full Text Search... Done# apt search x11 | grep installed
x11-apps/stable,now 7.7+8 i386 [installed,automatic]
x11-common/stable,now 1:7.7+22 all [installed,automatic]
x11-session-utils/stable,now 7.7+4 i386 [installed,automatic]
x11-utils/stable,now 7.7+5 i386 [installed,automatic]
x11-xkb-utils/stable,now 7.7+5 i386 [installed,automatic]
x11-xserver-utils/stable,now 7.7+8 i386 [installed,automatic]
xclip/stable,now 0.13-2 i386 [installed,automatic]
xdotool/stable,now 1:3.20160805.1-4 i386 [installed]
xfce4-session/stable,now 4.16.0-1+devuan1 i386 [installed,automatic]
xfce4-terminal/stable,now 0.8.10-1 i386 [installed,automatic]
xkb-data/stable,now 2.29-2 all [installed,automatic]
xkbset/stable,now 0.6-1 i386 [installed,automatic]
xserver-xorg-video-ati/stable,now 1:19.1.0-2 i386 [installed,automatic]# apt search grc-3
Sorting... Done
Full Text Search... Done# apt search gtk+-3.0 | grep installed
WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in scripts.
gir1.2-gtk-3.0/stable,now 3.24.24-4 i386 [installed,automatic]
libgtk-3-0/stable,now 3.24.24-4 i386 [installed,automatic]apt show surf
Package: surf
Version: 2.0+git20201107-2
Priority: optional
Section: web
Maintainer: Reiner Herrmann <reiner@reiner-h.de>
Installed-Size: 111 kB
Provides: www-browser
Depends: libc6 (>= 2.4), libgcr-base-3-1 (>= 3.8.0), libgcr-ui-3-1 (>= 3.8.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.28.0), libgtk-3-0 (>= 3.19.12), libjavascriptcoregtk-4.0-18, libwebkit2gtk-4.0-37 (>= 2.21.1), libx11-6
Recommends: stterm | x-terminal-emulator, curl, suckless-tools (>= 43-1~), x11-utils
Suggests: apparmor
Homepage: https://surf.suckless.org
Tag: implemented-in::c, interface::graphical, interface::x11,
network::client, protocol::http, role::program, scope::utility,
uitoolkit::gtk, use::browsing, web::browser, works-with-format::html,
x11::application
Download-Size: 30.6 kB
APT-Manual-Installed: yes
APT-Sources: http://devuan.ipacct.com/devuan/merged chimaera/main i386 Packages
Description: Simple web browser by suckless community
surf is a simple web browser based on WebKit/GTK+. It is able to display
websites and follow links. It supports the XEmbed protocol which makes it
possible to embed it in another application. Furthermore, one can point surf to
another URI by setting its XProperties.Got 2.1 from their site.
How to run it without installing? Any tips?
Devuan 32-bit
A week ago tested IceCat, IceWeasel, Abrowser
Abrowser worked fine (fakebook) and I will keep it as a replacement for FF.
IceCat couldnt load fakebook for about 3 min and I killed it.
IceWeasel worked alright but used too much resources compared to Abrowser.
p.s. I use fakebook and reddit to test browsers cause they are the heaviest sites I use.
Hello everybody!
I started using 'surf' browser for fakebook and it works fine.
But every time I get the same warnings
** (surf:6000): WARNING **: 06:35:16.310: Could not open /sys/class/dmi/id/chassis_type: Failed to open file “/sys/class/dmi/id/chassis_type”: Permission denied
** (surf:6000): WARNING **: 06:35:16.311: Could not open /sys/firmware/acpi/pm_profile: Failed to open file “/sys/firmware/acpi/pm_profile”: Permission denied
** (surf:6000): WARNING **: 06:35:16.323: webkit_web_context_set_additional_plugins_directory is deprecated and does nothing. Netscape plugins are no longer supported.
** (surf:6000): WARNING **: 06:35:16.323: webkit_web_context_set_additional_plugins_directory is deprecated and does nothing. Netscape plugins are no longer supported.
** (WebKitWebProcess:6013): WARNING **: 06:35:23.376: Could not open /sys/class/dmi/id/chassis_type: Failed to open file “/sys/class/dmi/id/chassis_type”: Permission denied
** (WebKitWebProcess:6013): WARNING **: 06:35:23.377: Could not open /sys/firmware/acpi/pm_profile: Failed to open file “/sys/firmware/acpi/pm_profile”: Permission denied
(process:6004): GVFS-WARNING **: 06:35:24.761: can't init metadata tree /home/vb/.local/share/gvfs-metadata/home: open: Permission denied
(process:6004): GVFS-WARNING **: 06:35:49.399: can't init metadata tree /home/vb/.local/share/gvfs-metadata/home: open: Permission denied
Xlib: sequence lost (0x137f6 > 0x37f8) in reply type 0x0!
Xlib: sequence lost (0x137fb > 0x37fd) in reply type 0x0!
Xlib: sequence lost (0x13800 > 0x3802) in reply type 0x0!
Xlib: sequence lost (0x13805 > 0x3807) in reply type 0x0!
(WebKitWebProcess:6013): GStreamer-WARNING **: 07:35:45.922: failed to create thread: Error creating thread: Resource temporarily unavailableAny suggestions how to address them?
Thank you in advance?
I guess I did not explain it clearly.
I can start a new instance of 'tilda'. In fact, the new instance starts with the old settings (prior the change).
I just cannot bring the lost window to foreground and I have no idea where to look for it.
Both 'pid' and 'task-manager' show it is running somewhere but where?
Should I consider it lost cause and just kill the process?
Hellow everybody!
I changed some settings in 'tilda' and the window is gone.
Starting new instance does not help.
$ pidof tilda
4809
$ fg tilda
bash: fg: tilda: no such job
$ fg 4809
bash: fg: 4809: no such job'task manager' also shows the process is running.
How to bring it back?
Thank you in advance!
@golinux
I use 'epr/epy' from 'github' to read ebooks in terminal. Just copied the text from the terminal.
I have just posted new quote from a book I've just started.
This time I used 'epy' to open it in 'vim'.
You can check the formatting and let me know if there is a difference compared to previous one.
https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=34963#p34963
Mahzarin Banaji agreed to meet me on short notice. We met in the afternoon
at her corner office in Harvard University’s psychology department. It was
an extraordinary interview: When I left, three hours later, the whole world
looked different.Banaji studied unconscious prejudices—subtle cognitive errors that lay
beneath the rim of awareness. Her research disturbed me because it showed
that the way we usually think about human behavior is flawed. Volunteers in
Banaji’s experiments believed they were acting fairly, honorably, and
wisely, but their actions were at odds with their intentions. They meant to
do one thing but did something else. Strangely, until a psychological test
revealed the discrepancy, the volunteers were not aware that they had been
subtly biased.If unconscious forces could influence us when we made swift judgments about
other people, could these forces influence us all the time? Upon returning
to Washington, I quickly found research that showed how hidden tugs caused
people to make grave financial errors and misjudgments about risk.
Experiments were showing that voters could be manipulated into choosing one
candidate over another—without the voters ever realizing they were
manipulated. Unconscious traits explained why some married couples drifted
apart and why some teams worked well together. Everywhere I looked, I found
evidence of hidden cognitive mechanisms. Unconscious biases in the way
memory, emotion, and attention work produced misunderstandings and
protracted conflicts between people, groups—even nations. Subtle errors of
the mind could explain why we have rushed into foolish wars and why we have
sat on our hands as genocides unfolded.
The Hidden Brain, Shankar Vedantam
@amaro . . . What exactly does "state of consciousness" mean to you?
In just a few crude words . . . I understand consciousness to be the receptor of all incoming data whether physical through the 5 physical sense doors or mental. What we do with that information after contact is where humans get into trouble and start dreaming. Noting what floats by without following it down a rabbit hole lessens the hold that dreaming has on the mind and brings it closer to NOW which is gone in a nano second (poetic not an actual measurement).
Totally agree. Interacting with that data is where logical fallacies come into play. And once they interpret the data they make not following the data from outside the hardest past.
But there is also info that comes from within. And it should be approached in the same way - by not following. But the logical fallacies are there too. And they make not following the data from within impossible for the average Joe.
Identification with what comes from within is so enormous that the very idea of separating oneself from it is usually perceived as too esoteric to be even taken into consideration.
That is IMO why many people who manage to get out of the society dream are tempted to fall into some kind of personal dream.
So, to me "state of consciousness" is neither. It is being 99.99% aware of all the info that comes from outside and from inside and not following anything. That may seem passive but it is cogruent with the original being which is found once one starts to just note all the info flying around without interacting with it. It, the original being, is there all the time. But its voice is supressed when one engages in those dreams.
That is because interacting with any of the dreams, personal or social, is usually in conflict with the origianl being. And it requires supressing the voice of the original being. One either follows the voice of his orginal being or interacts with parts of some dream.
In a way, it is not much different from the real life where one is either awake or is asleep.
Just a celebration of excesses and stereotypes that perpetuate the dream.
Lots of books, movies, theories fall into this category.
I see a lot of people explain one dream from the perspective of another (their) dream pretending their dream is freedom.
The easiest IMO, yet the hardest way out, is through learning most logical fallacies and avoiding them both in speech and thoughts.
This also helps staying as much as possible in a state of consciousness.
The moment one's attention shifts away from consciousness the dream of the society is there to cloud one's mind.
In the end one can only save oneself.
The Four Agreements, Don Miguel Ruiz
You are dreaming right now in this moment. You are dreaming with the brain awake.
Dreaming is the main function of the mind, and the mind dreams twenty-four
hours a day. It dreams when the brain is awake, and it also dreams when the
brain is asleep. The difference is that when the brain is awake, there is a
material frame that makes us perceive things in a linear way. When we go to
sleep we do not have the frame, and the dream has the tendency to change
constantly.Humans are dreaming all the time. Before we were born the humans before us
created a big outside dream that we will call society’s dream or the dream
of the planet. The dream of the planet is the collective dream of billions
of smaller, personal dreams, which together create a dream of a family, a
dream of a community, a dream of a city, a dream of a country, and finally a
dream of the whole humanity. The dream of the planet includes all of
society’s rules, its beliefs, its laws, its religions, its different
cultures and ways to be, its governments, schools, social events, and
holidays.We are born with the capacity to learn how to dream, and the humans who live
before us teach us how to dream the way society dreams. The outside dream
has so many rules that when a new human is born, we hook the child’s
attention and introduce these rules into his or her mind. The outside dream
uses Mom and Dad, the schools, and religion to teach us how to dream.
Conversation continued here.
Stephanie Seneff Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory, MIT, Cambridge MA, 02139, USA
Greg Nigh Naturopathic Oncology, Immersion Health, Portland, OR 97214, USAAbstract
Operation Warp Speed brought to market in the United States two mRNA vaccines, produced by Pfizer and Moderna. Interim data suggested high efficacy for both of these vaccines, which helped legitimize Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) by the FDA. However, the exceptionally rapid movement of these vaccines through controlled trials and into mass deployment raises multiple safety concerns.
excellent read, thank you for sharing!
Hello everybody!
Stumbled upon a list of eco-friendly search engines https://ecoripples.com/the-12-best-ecof … h-engines/
Tried
'ecosia', USA based, donates for tree planting
https://www.ecosia.org/'rapusia', South Africa based, donates for children and animals
https://rapusia.org/'oceanhero', Germany based, donates for cleaning the ocean from plastic garbage
https://oceanhero.today/all three worked fine with my primary browser 'luakit'
while DDG, SearX and StartPage often caused crashes /never liked DDG results anyway/
'rapusia' guarantees privacy on their front page
for the other two I didnt see such announcement
will test them for a few days to see the results' relevency before choosing one.
you can check the full list to see if there is an engine that donates for a cause you believe in.
the post this links goes to should be included in the 'iso file' as a 'pdf file' and appear on the desktop of both 'live madia' and freshly installed OS in order to be read either prior installation or after installation.
a title like 'Read carefully before removing packages' could be very helpful.
and it will save many new users such issues.
I removed all files and then went through the installation process again.
Just to make sure everything is done correctly.
The one difference is this time I copy/pasted the 'udev rule' in both places.
It seems to work now.
Thank you for being persisitent with your suggestions, Head_on_a_Stick!
@ chris2be8
Thank you, Chris!
This worked!
btw, 'ains' and 'armv' are aliases.
@Head_on_a_Stick
Thank you! Read it, bookmarked it!
@GlennW
Thank you! I rarely use 'synaptic' so will check those lines in '/etc/apt/apt.conf'.
For the record, I looked in '/var/cache/apt/' before writing this post and there were 10-12 packages only (which is far from the number of packages I installed after OS installation) and of course those I mentioned were not there.
p.s. Well...
cat /etc/apt/apt.conf
cat: /etc/apt/apt.conf: No such file or directorythank you, hevidevi!
this not keeping cached packages seems to be the default policy
after removing 'libreoffice' two 'gstreamer' packages and some other related to them packages were removed too
so I had to install them again and again they were labeled as NEW and downloaded again
which means there is no cached packages folder where they can be retrieved from
ains gstreamer1.0-gtk3 gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
The following additional packages will be installed:
liba52-0.7.4 libmpeg2-4 libopencore-amrnb0 libopencore-amrwb0 libsidplay1v5
Suggested packages:
sidplay-base
The following NEW packages will be installed:
gstreamer1.0-gtk3 gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly liba52-0.7.4 libmpeg2-4 libopencore-amrnb0
libopencore-amrwb0 libsidplay1v5
0 upgraded, 7 newly installed, 0 to remove and 31 not upgraded.
Need to get 2,085 kB of archives.this is the only "flaw" I have come across for the two weeks I have been using Devuan
I guess to logic behind this is that everything runs smoothly once you get the system according to your liking (so why keeping cached old packages)
Hello everybody!
Removed 'ristretto' and was surprised with a lot of packages that go with it
armv ristretto
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED:
hddtemp libxnvctrl0 ristretto xfburn xfce4-battery-plugin xfce4-clipman xfce4-clipman-plugin
xfce4-cpufreq-plugin xfce4-cpugraph-plugin xfce4-datetime-plugin xfce4-dict
xfce4-diskperf-plugin xfce4-fsguard-plugin xfce4-genmon-plugin xfce4-goodies
xfce4-mailwatch-plugin xfce4-netload-plugin xfce4-places-plugin xfce4-screenshooter
xfce4-sensors-plugin xfce4-smartbookmark-plugin xfce4-systemload-plugin xfce4-taskmanager
xfce4-timer-plugin xfce4-verve-plugin xfce4-wavelan-plugin xfce4-weather-plugin
xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin xfce4-xkb-plugin
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 29 to remove and 57 not upgraded.
After this operation, 23.6 MB disk space will be freed.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] yDecided to reinstall the ones I use
ains xfce4-weather-plugin xfce4-xkb-plugin xfce4-datetime-plugin
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
The following NEW packages will be installed:
xfce4-datetime-plugin xfce4-weather-plugin xfce4-xkb-plugin
0 upgraded, 3 newly installed, 0 to remove and 57 not upgraded.
Need to get 3,068 kB of archives.
After this operation, 7,682 kB of additional disk space will be used.
Get:1 http://devuan.ipacct.com/devuan/merged chimaera/main i386 xfce4-datetime-plugin i386 0.8.1-1 [37.4 kB]
Get:2 http://devuan.ipacct.com/devuan/merged chimaera/main i386 xfce4-weather-plugin i386 0.11.0-1 [2,560 kB]
Get:3 http://devuan.ipacct.com/devuan/merged chimaera/main i386 xfce4-xkb-plugin i386 1:0.8.2-1 [470 kB]
Fetched 3,068 kB in 1s (2,179 kB/s)Surprised that these packages are seen as NEW and will have to be downloaded again.
Why are these packages not in some cache folder?
After all I did not purge them.