Alternative browser for Devuan/Debian - Brave

andyprough · 2021-12-13 22:54:02

zephyr wrote:

Aitor wrote: DEB packages of version 78.15.0 are available at:
http://packages.gnuinos.org/gnuinos/pool/main/i/icecat/
Wow! Thanks Aitor, checking it out!
cheers
zephyr

If you like icecat, the Guix package manager has preview version 91. It's an incredibly good browser. I disable their librejs extensions and use noscript instead, but it's probably got the best default privacy and security configuration of any firefox-based browser.

My step-by-step post on installing Guix and icecat on Trisquel (should be the same steps on Devuan) is here: https://trisquel.info/en/forum/installi … d-chromium

zephyr · 2021-12-14 15:10:01

andyprough wrote: f you like icecat, the Guix package manager has preview version 91. It's an incredibly good browser. I disable their librejs extensions and use noscript instead, but it's probably got the best default privacy and security configuration of any firefox-based browser.
My step-by-step post on installing Guix and icecat on Trisquel (should be the same steps on Devuan) is here:

Thank you, appreciate the tip! A decent browser for Linux has always been non-existent or obscure. Will check it out!

cheers

zephyr

aitor · 2021-12-16 20:35:51

andyprough wrote:

My step-by-step post on installing Guix and icecat on Trisquel (should be the same steps on Devuan) is here: https://trisquel.info/en/forum/installi … d-chromium

Thanks, i'm not familiar with guix, but i'll give it a try in Trisquel. I've been using the makeicecat script developed by Rubén, which generates the sources of icecat grown from firefox-esr. The rest is done using git-buildpackage and pbuilder.

andyprough · 2021-12-17 15:12:18

aitor wrote:

Thanks, i'm not familiar with guix, but i'll give it a try in Trisquel. I've been using the makeicecat script developed by Rubén, which generates the sources of icecat grown from firefox-esr. The rest is done using git-buildpackage and pbuilder.

Couldn't you just use Ruben's/Trisquel's deb's for abrowser - isn't that the same thing as running the makeicecat script on current firefox? Do you prefer to build it yourself, or to base it on Firefox-esr?

aitor · 2021-12-18 21:24:18

andyprough wrote:

Couldn't you just use Ruben's/Trisquel's deb's for abrowser?

Ruben's packages were quite outdated -at least the last time i used Trisquel-, based on 52.3:

http://mirror.fsf.org/trisquel/pool/main/i/icecat/

andyprough wrote:

- isn't that the same thing as running the makeicecat script on current firefox?

The script generates the sources of icecat together with the debian folder used by debbuild for the packaging, and the resulting sources are debianized afterwards in a secondary step. But it's not surprising that the content of the debian folder may differ from one distribution to another to suite the required dependencies in each particular case. All the more in view of the different distros (ubuntu/debian) they are based on.

andyprough wrote:

Do you prefer to build it yourself, or to base it on Firefox-esr?

Yes, but the above reason isn't the only one. For example:

- I apply several patches taken from Debian's packaging of firefox-esr, leaving aside those related to android and other non-free stuff.

- The use of quilt patches leads to the use of the quilt source format, instead of the native format used in Trisquel. Look at the paragraph 5.22. source/format in the link below:

https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/main … er.en.html

- My packages provide firefox-esr, otherwise in xfce the removal of firefox-esr would force the installation of the epiphany-browser and all its dependencies.

On the other hand, i like to make sure the application builds succesfully in my system, where the versions on gcc, libnss etc, are involved.
Otherwise i prefer not to use it, and much less to distribute it

andyprough · 2021-12-18 23:00:06

aitor wrote:

Ruben's packages were quite outdated -at least the last time i used Trisquel-, based on 52.3:
http://mirror.fsf.org/trisquel/pool/main/i/icecat/

Oh, I see, you are really focused on just using icecat. I was talking about "abrowser", which is Ruben's/Trisquel's fork of regular Firefox. It is quite up to date, and uses the same build scripts as icecat from what I've heard.

Latest version is 95: https://archive.trisquel.org/trisquel/p … x/?C=M;O=D

aitor · 2021-12-19 00:03:47

Thanks, andyprough, i did hear about abrowser, but i thought they were the same.

hevidevi · 2021-12-27 06:41:15

andyprough wrote:

aitor wrote:
Ruben's packages were quite outdated -at least the last time i used Trisquel-, based on 52.3:
http://mirror.fsf.org/trisquel/pool/main/i/icecat/
Oh, I see, you are really focused on just using icecat. I was talking about "abrowser", which is Ruben's/Trisquel's fork of regular Firefox. It is quite up to date, and uses the same build scripts as icecat from what I've heard.
Latest version is 95: https://archive.trisquel.org/trisquel/p … x/?C=M;O=D

Hi andy, how would i go about adding abrowser to devuan chimaera so i can catch any updates to the browser, does trisquel allow there repos to be used outside of trisquel? Like im thinking i could add in the repo and just pin it to a low archive priority?

andyprough · 2021-12-27 17:04:28

hevidevi wrote:

Hi andy, how would i go about adding abrowser to devuan chimaera so i can catch any updates to the browser, does trisquel allow there repos to be used outside of trisquel? Like im thinking i could add in the repo and just pin it to a low archive priority?

My steps for installing abrowser on Devuan and pinning the repos are here: https://trisquel.info/en/forum/how-inst … ser-devuan

A Trisquel forum contributor improved my procedure a little bit and wrote a shell script to do it all automatically on Debian. Should work about the same on Devuan: https://trisquel.info/en/forum/state-we … ent-163433

The main improvement was using 'Pin: origin "archive.trisquel.info"' instead of 'Pin: release a=etiona-updates', so that the repo should update to the latest Trisquel repo. Also some of the Pin Priority numbers were adjusted in the shell script to be more in the range of what apt expects to see.

Either method will work, but the shell script steps will probably work for a longer period of time. My steps are all commented, which makes it useful to read through both.

alphalpha · 2021-12-27 18:25:36

aitor wrote:

DEB packages of version 78.15.0 are available at:
http://packages.gnuinos.org/gnuinos/pool/main/i/icecat/
I announced them yesterday night in the irc channel. It looks good in chimaera:

is this a fork of icecat?
according to https://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/, the last version is 60.7.0 and was realeased june 2019
https://ftpmirror.gnu.org/gnuzilla/60.7.0/

andyprough · 2021-12-27 18:50:03

aitor wrote:

DEB packages of version 78.15.0 are available at:
http://packages.gnuinos.org/gnuinos/pool/main/i/icecat/
I announced them yesterday night in the irc channel. It looks good in chimaera:
https://www.gnuinos.org/screenshots/icecat.png

You have deb packages for iceweasel-uxp too! http://packages.gnuinos.org/gnuinos/poo … easel-uxp/

Very cool, something fun to try today.

xinomilo · 2021-12-27 20:50:59

alphalpha wrote:

is this a fork of icecat?
according to https://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/, the last version is 60.7.0 and was realeased june 2019
https://ftpmirror.gnu.org/gnuzilla/60.7.0/

no, releases haven't been updated in a while, but git repo is being updated frequently : https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/gnuzilla.git/

hevidevi · 2021-12-28 11:37:51

andyprough wrote:

hevidevi wrote:
Hi andy, how would i go about adding abrowser to devuan chimaera so i can catch any updates to the browser, does trisquel allow there repos to be used outside of trisquel? Like im thinking i could add in the repo and just pin it to a low archive priority?
My steps for installing abrowser on Devuan and pinning the repos are here: https://trisquel.info/en/forum/how-inst … ser-devuan
A Trisquel forum contributor improved my procedure a little bit and wrote a shell script to do it all automatically on Debian. Should work about the same on Devuan: https://trisquel.info/en/forum/state-we … ent-163433
The main improvement was using 'Pin: origin "archive.trisquel.info"' instead of 'Pin: release a=etiona-updates', so that the repo should update to the latest Trisquel repo. Also some of the Pin Priority numbers were adjusted in the shell script to be more in the range of what apt expects to see.
Either method will work, but the shell script steps will probably work for a longer period of time. My steps are all commented, which makes it useful to read through both.

Thanks for that detailed how to andy, appreciated, cheers.

mclien · 2021-12-31 16:51:34

GNUser wrote:

golinux - I use iridium as my daily driver. It is an "ungoogled chromium". Highly recommended. https://iridiumbrowser.de/

A hint how you installed it on Devuan?

kapqa · 2022-01-07 09:42:00

For Facebook et. al normally i use a separate browser, mostly Pale Moon.

hunter0one · 2022-01-29 21:32:59

I don't trust Brave one bit, not Firefox. I use Pale Moon for now.

LU344928 · 2022-01-31 08:14:32

FWIW:

More than 15 years after creating JavaScript, Brendan Eich conceded that JS had “a lot of stupid in it.” Mr. Eich, I regret to say that the same is true of your new web browser, called Brave.

https://practicaltypography.com/the-cow … brave.html

Ermiq · 2022-02-07 17:36:17

freemedia2018 wrote:

also the idea of using a browser from github is a bit creepy, i consider everything on github controlled by microsoft. that problem is going to get worse before it gets better.

Uhm... https://github.com/torvalds/linux Houston, we have a problem!

blackhole · 2022-02-07 17:50:24

There are many mirrors as with the one you've posted

I've always taken this as the primary:

https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/ke … linux.git/

hevidevi · 2022-02-08 09:39:34

blackhole wrote:

There are many mirrors as with the one you've posted
I've always taken this as the primary:
https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/ke … linux.git/

Torvalds invented git too..

And then there is this doozy from last year by Linus....

Linus Torvalds: GitHub creates ‘absolutely useless garbage’ merges

https://developer-tech.com/news/2021/se … ge-merges/

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aitor · 2022-03-07 00:25:22

I've built IceCat-91.6.0 for Daedalus:

https://packages.gnuinos.org/gnuinos/po … /i/icecat/

You can test it downloading a preview of gnuinos daedalus:

https://www.gnuinos.org/mirror/daedalus/live/

amaro · 2022-03-08 19:00:05

Devuan 32-bit
A week ago tested IceCat, IceWeasel, Abrowser
Abrowser worked fine (fakebook) and I will keep it as a replacement for FF.
IceCat couldnt load fakebook for about 3 min and I killed it.
IceWeasel worked alright but used too much resources compared to Abrowser.
p.s. I use fakebook and reddit to test browsers cause they are the heaviest sites I use.

andyprough · 2022-03-08 19:38:24

amaro wrote:

Devuan 32-bit
A week ago tested IceCat, IceWeasel, Abrowser
Abrowser worked fine (fakebook) and I will keep it as a replacement for FF.
IceCat couldnt load fakebook for about 3 min and I killed it.
IceWeasel worked alright but used too much resources compared to Abrowser.
p.s. I use fakebook and reddit to test browsers cause they are the heaviest sites I use.

Trisquel's abrowser, to my understanding, is pretty much the same as Icecat, but applies the build configs of Icecat to the latest version of Firefox. Icecat only rarely releases an ESR build of Firefox. abrowser has always worked great for me on Devuan, zero issues.

charliebrownau · 2022-04-15 21:27:42

Gday

I recommend the following browsers

GUI:-
- LibreWolf instead of Default Firefox - https://librewolf.net/installation/
- Iridium Browser instead of Default Chrome - https://iridiumbrowser.de/

- Ungoogled Chromium instead of Default Chrome
https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium

CLI:-
Surf - https://surf.suckless.org/

Also check out Gemini Network space (Modern Fork of Gopher)
- CLI Browser - amfora - https://github.com/makeworld-the-better-one/amfora
- GUI Browser - lagrange - https://git.skyjake.fi/gemini/lagrange/releases https://gmi.skyjake.fi/lagrange/

If you're still on Android use Bromite instead of Nokia/Samsung/Google browser
- https://www.bromite.org/

I did a video about browser recommendations here
- https://www.joshwhotv.com/v/.QGAkxw?cha … liebrownau

Also check out this list of stuff, its a good starting point
https://github.com/pluja/awesome-privacy#

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gipi · 2022-07-24 09:06:07

For those who want IceCat, some guy is making deb packages: see here
If you want 78 (like I do, because of ugly proton), then both this and gnuinos repo's work, but for some reason 91 from gnuinos does not install (due to old dependency versions, though all my packages are up to date), but 91 from lousler works perfectly fine.

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