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Hello:
Is it possible ...
I think not.
I run XFCE and if I do that I get this:
$ xfdesktop -Q
(xfdesktop:25174): dbind-WARNING **: 10:14:44.059: AT-SPI: Error retrieving accessibility bus address: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.a11y.Bus was not provided by any .service files
~$ As a result I lose my desktop.
ie: all icons and wallpaper dissapear and the background is just the usual base grey.
The warning is because the at-spi packages have been purged.
Only open windows, XFCE4 panels and conky remain.
Best,
A.
Hello:
Yes it could ...
Actually, it can and does.
The main reason being that Devuan is just Debian without systemd.
With all that it entails.
Devuan developers/maintainers and admins make a truly herculean effort to keep it running.
But they are severely overworked and understaffed.
There is only so much that can be done under such dire circumstances.
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... won't let distro developers change it.
... supposed to fork xfce4-desktop if we want that.
Right ...
Cute little buggers, aren't they? 8^°
Yet one more reason to ditch XFCE as the Devuan default desktop and seriously consider an Openbox / #! type alternative.
Like #!++ or BunsenLabs but without the systemd ballast.
Just an idea.
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Hello:
... how to get rid of the cruft installed along with LXQt ...
You can start by first making a list to check if there is any.
eg:
$ apt list | grep installed | grep -i lxqtBest,
A.
Hello:
Welcome back ...
I was wondering what happened to your USB sticks. 8^°
... bios ...
... turned off usb charging.
Hmm ...
Could be, but then it would imply a severe hardware malfunction or BIOS problem.
USB ports have (should have) protection to avoid excess current draw and damage, particularly those that can be used for charging.
It is part of the design parameters of any on-board / external USB socket.
... (those I didn't plug yet) work perfectly.
I see.
For the sake of completion to this thread, I think that it would be of interest to the forum (and you) to know some details.
[please humour me]
Reason?
Although not by any means the same quality of the legendary IBM T43 Thinkpad, today's Lenovo Thinkpad T400 is not a toy laptop on which such a thing would just happen, so it would be good to check a couple of things which may be of interest.
What brand and model are the USB sticks you used before and use now?
What does the dmesg printout say after you plug in one of the non-functioning sticks?
Please post the output.
With that same stick plugged in, please bring up gparted.
Does the stick show up? ie: /dev/sdx
If so, can you format it to 'cleared' first and then to 'fat32'?
Let's see if we can get to the bottom of this within a reasonable time frame. 8^D!
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Hello:
I'll be staying on Daedalus.
So will I.
... even LXDE itself.
Don't get me started, I have XFCE ...
Some time ago I posted about the need(?) to upgrade from Daedalus to Excalibur.
A very relevant question if you run on ca. 2007 hardware.
Not a Mickey Mouse job, a high quality workstation* working as well as new.
Suits all my needs, no issues.
... significantly more bloated and resource-hungry ...
Indeed ...
In the 10+ years I have been running on Linux I have seen the size of each release grow and grow and cannot but wonder what more is in store.
eg:
Devuan Chimaera netinstall *.iso: 372.00 MB - UEFI installer: 0.754 MB
Devuan Daedalus netinstall *.iso: 477.80 MB - UEFI installer: 23.000 MB
30X more code was added to the UEFI partition on the road between Chimaera and Daedalus.Frankly, I do not think I can expect anything in the way of improvements for my hardware.
I have not seen a suitable explanation for the 30X additional code [ie: just WTF does it do?] but I strongly suspect that it holds something akin to a separate/independent OS.
The problem at hand is that there seems to be no alternative in sight.
Or any indication that there will, at some point, be one.
Maybe we have to carve ourselves a future in the [whatever]BSD arena? 8^/
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A.
* Sun Microsystems U24 - Released by Sun 10/2007 - EOL'd by Oracle 10/2009.
Hello:
... advice on AMD or nvidia ...
- no one really needs bleeding edge, choose your hardware carefully
- new & shiny is always expensive and isn't necessarily the best choice *
- avoid any and all NVidia stuff like the plague.
- AMD video cards are excellent and have much better Linux support
* I run Devuan on a ca. 2007 Sun Microsystems U24 WS purchased used and upgraded 11/2015
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Hello:
Thx for responding
You're welcome.
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A.
Hello:
Much as I rate rsync ...
I got severely burned using rsync once, most probably my fault as it is really tricky to get right.
So I stopped using it but I rely on BackInTime which uses it without any issues.
... most of the time I actually use midnight commander.
Norton had file management pretty well nailed ...
Same here
NC was my preferred tool in those DOS/W3.11 days.
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... must be a reason for the disappearance of particular versions ...
... visit the software's website to see ...
Curiously enough, the jami website does offer Debian (12, 11, testing and unstable) versions for download albeit from their own repository:
https://jami.net/download-jami-linux/
Maybe it is all due to some spat between the systemd-kingdom and the jamis?
... suitable software alternatives in the repositories.
Yes, there's jitsi which I have seen works well enough.
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... in Daedalus, but it seems to have disappeared in Excalibur.
Indeed ...
As you can see, there does not seem to be a jami package in Debian stable:
https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=jami
No idea why ...
But it is in unstable and experimental.
As a result, there is no jami package in Devuan Excalibur:
https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/poli … 1.84.27.71
ie: not in the Debian repositories? Then it will not be in the Devuan repositories.
Will the Daedalus version install/run on Excalibur?
Can't say, never used it.
That said, if it was in the Debian repositories and it is not there now (-> degraded to testing), there must be something going on.
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Hello:
How can I fix this?
You may be able to solve it by first manually installing the dependency.
ie: libwacom-common (= 2.6.0-1)
Once installed and present in the system, the dist-upgrade should go smoothly as apt will find it and proceed.
See:
https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/poli … 1.84.27.71
https://packages.debian.org/bookworm/libwacom-common <- 2.14.0-1
https://packages.debian.org/trixie/libwacom-common <- 2.6.0-1
If that does not work, you may have to uninstall whatever requires libwacom-common before the dist-upgrade.
See here: https://packages.debian.org/search?suit … s=libwacom
It would seem that libwacom2 in Chimaera has been replaced with libwacom9 in Daedalus, Excalibur and Ceres.
See
https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/poli … 1.84.27.71 <- Chimaera and earlier
https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/poli … 1.84.27.71 <- Daedalus and later
Let us know how you fared with this.
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Hello:
... a bug in the installer?
Hmm ...
You may want to consider the possibility of the Excalibur installer becoming self-aware.
And as a result, defending itself from XFCE.
Just taking the piss ...
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Hello:
... if deb.devuan.org isn't working out for them.
I do not recall ever having had any issues with deb.devuan.org*, save for those generated by my FO service provider. 8^°
* ie: -34.60° lat -58.38° long
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Hello:
... and not be held back by trying to shoehorn modern software on retro computing devices.
Of course ... 8^°
--->
Tech *bros* have to make a living.
Make ends meet, if you will.
Have you not been observing?
There are still many landfills to fill.
<---... would tell you this is great news ...
Yes, he would.
I take small confort in the fact that Civilisation (in general) has always had an incredibly over-abundant supply of [braindead / stupid / DHs / AHs]*.
That little snippet from the debian_dev only confirms it.
* choose one, a combination of two or even three. But a combination of four is not an option, lest depression set in.
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Hello:
... not in the menus and not found by a file search or by command line.
You may want to run a fine tooth comb through all your logs, just in case.
There has to be / should be some indication as to what transpired when you installed it.
Should not be an issue if you got it from the Devuan repository,but still.
Have a look here: https://linux.die.net/man/8/tcplay
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Hello:
Might be a longshot, but ...
I had thought of doing that but decided not to bother the chap with this.
But seeing that I have not made much progress, I just fired a short one asking.
Hopefully he will pitch in.
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Hello:
... obmenu2 on Crowz, try downloading tarbal ...
... also : https://github.com/keithbowes/obmenu
Thanks, saw those already.
But I was wanting to have the #! *.deb file to directly install in my upcoming Daedalus test.
And try it out on my Devuan Chimaera i386 1000HE installation.
Not sure what Miyo meant by downloading a .deb from an install ...
Hmm ...
Exactly that? Maybe ...
I don't have an installation, just a live i386 *.iso and I haven't seen it there.
Thanks for your input.
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Hello:
maybe it's from ...
Yes, I'm quite sure of that as it seems (?) to be of their own production.
And it is part of the #! installation, at least for Bookworm.
But I have not seen it available for download or found it within the live i386 *.iso.
Thanks for your input.
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Hello:
here are some additional info
Thanks for that. 8^)
But what I am interested in is knowing if / how the OP actually solved the issue.
Or not and what steps he took while attempting to do it.
All useful information for the forum.
ie: towards getting Devuan installed on a Mac.
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Hello:
A long time ago, this thread came to my attention:https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=4897
MiyoLinux posted this:
... #!++ has repackaged obmenu to work on newer systems using python3.
... downloaded the .deb file from my installation of #!++, and I've installed it on Chimaera, Daedalus, and Ceres...it works perfectly ...
I have a live i386 CBPP / #! *.iso which works perfectly well but I cannot find the *.deb file mentioned by MiyoLinux.
Any idea as to how I can get a hold of it?
I want to test it on a Daedalus VM as a possible transition away from XFCE.
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Hello:
@deviate
Try adding this stanza to the kernel command line: ACPI_OSI=Darwin
See here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/MacBookPro11,x
Did you get your Mac / ACPI issue worked out?
Whatever data you have been able to gather will be useful to others.
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Hello:
What a wonderful story!
Indeed. 8^D
And a just reward for your volunteer work too.
Best,
A.
Hello:
"Fun" is something subjective, obviously.
Indeed ...
Just like the "utility" of systemd. 8^°
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Hello:
... any extra obstacles with excalibur?
Yes.
A non-zero chance of there being extra obstacles is to be expected with a testing Suite.
ie: Maintained but Not Released status
testing is where the next stable suite is developed. Software is usually more up-to-date but there may still be issues. testing becomes stable “when it is ready”.
Backports is the safe route, Excalibur means a slightly higher risk ...
+1
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