It would be nice if Mate didn't require all that garbage to use. dbus and polkit as examples.

I don't trust all that redhatware which is why I tend to stick with jwm.

@altoid I will never disable ublock origin.  Even on a site I think is safe.

Other people do try to break though security protocols in otherwise safe websites anyhow.

Call it paranoia if you want, but that's how I plan to do this

@golinux & greenjeans

Anubis is annoying but its still better than cloudflare. That software cloudflare is made to de-anonymize and collect data as well as stop bots.

Its actually miles better IMO.

I installed it as of today, so fat so good, it works like it did before with the carrier in it, but better.

The only unfortunate thing is I couldn't install grapheneos  in firefox. I  had to install chromium to do it via webusb.

All in all, good to go!

@greenjeans mozilla firefox has similar redistribution restrictions as Palemoon, so I don't think  that is why its not in debian repository.

@ruenoak ahhh I see.

as for win98 in a vm, are you talking about dosbox-x?

Because you can install any windows up to windows ME I have heard.

@blackhole they steered firefox towards the rocks alright...  139 especially is bad.

But why anyone would pick chromium based web browsers over firefox is beyond me.

Firefox based web browsers do exist.

Palemoon is niche for most, but Librewolf, GNU Ice Cat which I would have not suggested in past, but as of a few months ago, I noticed they are keeping close to the ESR releases now. Aka, they aren't lagging nearly as much. Quite the opposite actually!

Mullvad and tor browser are others. Though tor will run into captcha alot.

Not saying anyone should do this or want to do this, but some people have figured out how to get windows 11 running on unsupported hardware.

Your mile may of course vary as to what will happen if you do this though.

Does your computer have two HDDs/SSDs?

If so one can have that windows crap and the other Devuan.

Dual booting might not work so well due to  windows not playing nice as some say.

@stargate-sg1-cheyenne-mtn I saw that already. My problem is I think I need to know what cable is needed to make this work.

like usb-a to usb-c data transfer?

I dunno myself.

I assume that is it though.

@steve_v I don't blame you for being skeptical of anything Google. But therr phones are honestly less crappy then most others. I am used to bloatware samsung by comparison.  Google Pixel 7 even with android on it is less bloated then the samsung's android. 

Which is kind of sad for the samsung. Being worse than google is pathetic, for real.

by usb data cable, I assume you mean one made for transferring files. In any case,

Honestly, the only point I am probably confused about that you made is your first point.  I'll have to look on amazon or something to see what data cable I need probably.

Btw, appreciate you being helpful on this matter. Its a nice change.

@golinux perhaps true, but he definitely tries to antagonize me.

I am glad I unsubscribed so I only have to see this problem if I want to.