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#76 Re: Off-topic » The Joke Thread » 2023-10-03 02:38:25
GHOTI spells 'fish' in English exceptionalism; gh as in "enough", o as in "women", ti as in "action"...
That's the explanation for the name of the 1990s punk rock band "Ghoti Hook"
#77 Re: Devuan Derivatives » JWM KIT love fest » 2023-06-14 02:39:08
@jwmkit what about cpu resources for jwmkit on daedalus vs chimaera
Wow!, I don't know how I missed your post. It's been more than a month. I hope you didn't think I was ignoring you. Sorry.
I understand the concern of CPU usage. Not only for performance, but battery life. I did not compare CPU usage of Daedalus with previous releases. Although I always keep an eye on HTOP,, and I can tell you CPU usage seemed pretty low, and I don't think it should be a concern.
Of course CPU usage is just like RAM usage. Any noticeable difference is usually the result of additional services and software you install/configure.
#78 Re: Devuan Derivatives » JWM KIT love fest » 2023-04-20 16:23:32
I've done a little bit of testing with JWMKit in Daedalus. I can report that JWMKit works perfectly. But I'm sure the big question many may have is "What about memory usage?" Which is a subject that's already been discussed on these forums. If any of you have tried Daedalus you have noticed it does seem to use a bit more memory, but I have concluded this is not really a problem. Allow me to explain.
I have configured a Chimaera, and Daedalus virtual machine. For a fair comparison I've tried to make the systems (installed software, running services, etc) as similar as possible.
Ram usage when the VMs are configured with 4 GB of RAM
Chimaera = 76 mb
Daedalus = 116 mb
Some would argue that both use a small amount of RAM, but when you look at the difference of the 2 it's really not acceptable. Percentage wise Chimaera's usage is only 65% of Daedalus' usage. That’s a big difference.
But we know that when a system has more RAM it will use it to optimize performance. Maybe this is what's going on? Maybe Daedalus make use of more RAM for such optimization?
So by configuring the VMs to only 192mb we see that memory usage becomes a lot closer.
Chimaera = 68 mb
Daedalus = 70.2 mb
These results are very close. This behavior leads me to believe the difference we see is because of optimizations, not waste of resources.
Not a very scientific test, but just my observations.
#79 Re: Devuan Derivatives » JWM KIT love fest » 2023-04-18 14:21:48
. . .when I change the time format to 24 hours, it is delaying the time, or the time remains paralyzed, of course through jwmkit_trays.
I've never seen this before. Does restarting jwm or signing out and back in seems to fix it?
On the other hand, for those who use the doas or sudo dependency for superuser, in this case as I am testing Hyperbola with doas, I have put in the JWM Kit configuration with the command jwmkit_first_run , in the JWM Kit Logout tab ==>> doas (no password), and for the JWM Kit Time tab==>>Do not ask permission, before that you must have configured the file /ect/doas.conf and uncomment ==>>> permit nopass :whell
In this way it made effect on the output graphic part on the buttons for reboot, shutdown.
I'm glad you got it working.
Tell us how JWM Kit work on those systems you commonly use? The JWM Kit package is in the devuan, debian, ubuntu, artix, freebsd repositories? Is it the same process of installing the tarball package with the command I posted at the beginning of the conversation and it didn't work? I want to try it also on those systems mentioned.
JWMKit works flawless for me, but I don't know if that is a fair evaluation. As the author, my understand of the software give me an advantage the regular user does not have.
For permission I usually configure it to use sudo with either the built in prompt or a gksu/gksudo type prompt.
JWMKit is not in the Debian/Devuan repositories, and I doubt it is in Ubuntu. I provide a .deb package on my sourceforge page. It's easy to install and will provide the most current version.
download debian package
* Scroll down on the page for install instructions if you need them.
* This link has the most current and the previous version. Look at the date and get the most recent date.
artix? The arch distro. Use the BUILD file on my sourceforge page.
Arch BUILD
* Scroll down on the page for build instructions if you need them.
As for antix. The Debian based distro. You will find JWMKit in the antix repository. If you need a newer version use the same deb package above for Debian.
As for freebsd I don't know if it's in the repository. Sorry, but do not provide packages or build scripts for any bsd. It's on my todo list.
#80 Re: Devuan Derivatives » JWM KIT love fest » 2023-04-17 22:49:50
What system do you use with JWM Kit? Very good your answers.
Usually a Devuan or Debian based system.
By the way, from the graphical window of JWM Kit, in Logout user to exit or shutdown the system, why it does not take effect when you click Shutdown or Reboot? It only takes effect in the Logout tab, which exits the window to the terminal.
To shutdown or reboot the system, I need to type commands in the terminal like doas halt or doas poweroff or doas reboot.
The shutdown and reboot buttons will not work until you have configured the permission for JWM Kit Logout with jwmkit_first_run.
Once again I am not that familiar with Hyperbola but after some though I believe your best option are one of the following.
1 - doas (not password) This is the most eloquent option but you will need to configure the doas.conf file to not ask for a password for shutdown/reboot. I believe this is how zapper has configured his system.
2. Terminal. In the terminal entry put the command to start the terminal (example: xterm) and for command simply put doas This will work, but is not as elequent as the first step. This option should also work for JWM Kit Time.
#81 Re: Devuan Derivatives » JWM KIT love fest » 2023-04-17 14:39:53
. . . I have put the themes in that directory you told me, however, the effect it does is to change the borders of the windows and nothing else.
The JWM Themes should affect the trays, and the window's borders and titlebar.
What are you missing by using the slightly older version of JWMKit. Not much. But the new version replaces jwmkit_wallpaper with jwmkit_desktops which gives you additional control such as . . .
the number of virtual desktops
the behavior of windows and desktop
different wallpaper for each virtual desktop
limited support for ROX, SpaceFM, zzzFM, and PCmanFM Desktops
and with newer versions of jwm you can rearrange the buttons in the title bar
Regarding lxappearance, yes, I have had to install theme-styles and also theme-icons, that's where the system kicked in, being able to choose the style-theme and the icon-hteme to taste and not fuck my eyes haha, of course dark theme with the help of lxappearance.
Sounds good.
Regarding the JWM Kit configuration, with the command jwmkit_first_run, I set it to default, and in JWM Kit Logout permissions, I set it to elogind (loginctl), and JWM Kit time, I set it to sudo | Built in Prompt.
Will it be ok?
Short answer: No. Hyperbola does not provides elogind or sudo. So you much find a solution supported by Hyperbola. Most likely doas.
My experience with Hyperbola is limited. I do not use it. @zapper is more experienced with it. As a supporter and user he would know for sure. I do know that the whole reason I added the doas option was for Hyperbola thanks to information provided by zapper.
INFO : Configuring permission only only affects jwmkit_logout and jwmkit_time. The remaining JWMKit tools are unaffected by this setting.
Because the window manager does not display the 24 hours? I have tried to change from the application menu (jwm kits configuration) it configures it but it does not change the time, for example 14 50, it displays 2:50, so, I do not know where I am doing wrong.
The clock that shows in the tray is configured using jwmkit_trays. Open jwmkit_trays, click on items, find the clock and double click on it to configure it. Once configured hit apply. then hit save when it returns to the main window.
FYI : jwmkit_time only set the system time and date. It does not configure how it is displayed.
Another thing, how to add application launcher in the jwm taskbar? . . .
You will also find this in jwmkit_trays. Click items then the add button (+) and choose TrayButton. A window will pop up to allow you to configure the traybutton. Set an icon and configure the action you wish for each mouse button when you clicked on the icon. Either manually fill in the entries or use the provided file manager and action selector.
What version of Hyperbola are you using? Because in Hyperbola 0.4.2 many things have changed, you can no longer add the ARCH repository at the start of the system installation, I would like some application to display system information as neofetch or screenhoster did but no longer exists, and so other packages of external device automounting as gvfs or networkmanager that does not exist.
Greetings
I wish I could recommend the packages you need, but I don’t use Hyperbola enough to be familiar with it’s software selection. I do have it installed in a virtual machine. It has been fully updated so should be in align with the current release. The only repository I’ve used with it is the default one that is arch based.
#82 Re: Devuan Derivatives » JWM KIT love fest » 2023-04-11 22:20:07
I'm glad your'e making progress.
JWMKit provides several tools for customizing JWM. You can add and remove trays and menus and you can add and remove items from trays and menus. I have tried to make it very complete tool set that provides way more options than I can cover here. I strongly encourage you to check out this wiki.
Place your themes in $HOME/.config/jwm/themes/
If you have the all_themes.zip just unzip it to that directory. You can now start jwmkit_appearance and choose a theme. Or edit a theme and save the changes as a new theme. Or create your own.
On another note, the JWM themes and other JWM customization will not affect the internal parts of the windows. The inner parts of the window are not handled by jwm, but by GTK, or Qt, etc. If you need the to customize the inner part of the windows you must set the GTK theme. You can learn to do this manually or use a simple theme switcher. I recommend lxappearance as it is in the Hyperbola repository. You will also need to install some GTK themes.
Also you can run the first run tool again if you need to configure permissions. These are used by jwmkit_time and jwmkit_logout. If you do not use these apps or they defaults work for you then no need to mess with it.
#83 Re: Devuan Derivatives » JWM KIT love fest » 2023-04-11 17:02:03
brday
It seems I may of jumped ahead a step. I didn't realize you had not even installed JWMKit yet. Although keep in mine that running the First Run tool is a required step when we get there. I am assuming you already have a working jwm system with xenocara and jwm installed? If not than you need more than just help with jwmkit.
I await for input from @zapper here for verification, but I believe Hyperbola 4.2 is still part of the "Milky Way" branch and is still Linux (arch) based. It should continue to operate as the other Milky Way 4.x releases. Which means JWMKit is in the repository and you can also use the build scripts provided at my sourceforge site. @zapper, please confirm.
You should be able to install jwmkit from the package manager with this simple command. This is not the most current version, but it will work.
pacman -Syu jwmkitEDIT : The command above requires you to be root, or use doas/sudo/etc.
Once you have installed it you can run the jwmkit_first_run and select the default configuration and configure app permissions.
If you want the most current version visit this sourceforge page for the build script and instructions. As mentioned in my previous post.
#84 Re: Devuan Derivatives » JWM KIT love fest » 2023-04-10 18:46:18
@brday
I know the question was target at zapper, but allow me to answer as I am the author of JWMKit.
Once you've installed JWMKit you need to run jwmkit_first_run. This will allow you to create a default configuration and also configure how the logout and time tool request permission. I recommend using the "Default" option for the JWM config and then you can use the various apps to customize it as needed.
You can get the newest package/build scripts here. For Hyperbola look under the BUILD directory for Hyperbola. The readme provides build Instructions (to create a package to be installed) or just scroll down and they are underneath the downloads.
Best of luck!
EDIT : JWMKit is provided in the Hyperbola repository. I only pointed out my sourceforge page in case you were interested in the newest version.
#85 Re: Off-topic » AI on mainstream media » 2023-04-07 17:58:35
. . . How do you even come across this sort of nonsense? . . .
I know it was a rhetorical question, but I think I'll answer it.
People find this video the same way people keep watching a TV show way past it's prime. It used to be good, but now it's crap.
You see, Fran's channel started out as a very informative channel. She'd cover some semi-technical things like cleaning vinyl records, simple circuit design, and the basics of relays and vacuum tubes, . Nothings to technical so it was easy to follow. Recently she's started address modern "issues" in videos and my opinion seems to align with golinux in that they tend to be incoherent ramblings. The videos leave the viewer unclear of her message or what is even her thoughts and opinions are on the subject. It's a shame because you would think a technical minded person would be able to express themselves better. Hopefully she will either abandon these change and revert to her old style or figure out what she's doing wrong.
#86 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Anyone where to find more cartoony old icons for jwm? » 2023-02-25 17:57:40
@zapper. Look at some of these.
https://smokey01.com/icon-sets/
The icon sets are .pet packages. So you will have to extract the icons from the package.
I think following set might be of interest: GartoonPup, Gartoonredux, HaikuPup, Noia-Warm, Nuovo-001, Puppy-gant, and Retrosmart. But there may be more you can pull some icons from.
I've notice that puppy kind of makes it's own desktop standard. So you may need to rename some of the files to follow the standard desktop specification.
I have also noticed a lot of these cartoon style icons are .png. So they will be less optimal in terms of both quality, and performance/resource usage when compared to .svg
#87 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Anyone where to find more cartoony old icons for jwm? » 2023-02-25 16:57:18
I guess you meant CC BY-NC 4.0 or similar version.
Yes. Thank you again. It appears I got the abbreviation wrong. Sorry about that. I definitively would not want to add to the confusion. It should be CC BY-NC 2.5 for standard buff, and CC BY-NC 3.0 for Buuf Deuce.
#88 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Anyone where to find more cartoony old icons for jwm? » 2023-02-24 19:40:12
Good eye Kelsoo. As you have stated the icons are licensed under the CC-BY-SA CC BY-NC 3.0 license by the original artist. Although you can find various repackaged/remixed version under the GPL. I don't know if they were re-license with permission, or if some one made a packaging error and others just went with it.
#89 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Anyone where to find more cartoony old icons for jwm? » 2023-02-24 14:58:29
Take a look at buuf-deuce. An updated variations of the old buff icon set.
https://github.com/antiX-Linux/buuf-deuce-icons
you can find a .deb in the antix repository
http://repo.antixlinux.com/bullseye/poo … uce-icons/
Also the gnome-extra-icons is a nice combination of cartoon and pixel art set of icons. Look like a something you'd find on an old Commodore Amiga, or Atari ST
you find it in the debian repository.
The buff-deuce icon set was used in andyprough's Libre-antiX 21 respin and my variation of it labeled as Libre-antiX-JWMKit-respin. Both feature buuf-deuce-icons and JWMKit.
#90 Re: Freedom Hacks » To permanently block installation of Pulseaudio. » 2023-02-20 17:12:12
btw, jwmkit has some features to fix this issue. Works nicely, although you still need alsa-utils installed even if its not online while sndio is and alsa-sndio.
Sndio can do per application stream which alsa cannot ever do on its own last I checked.
Although maybe this has changed or isn't true?
sndio is a good audio server. Although you must use Daedalus/Bookworm if you want to use sndio because the package is way out of date in early versions of Devuan/Debian.
Also because of this JWMKit's sndio functionality has never been tested on Devu(bi)an. So I can't promise it works, but it does works well on other distros. I'll have to experiment with it when I have a chance.
#91 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Announcing JWM Kit Live [updated iso download] » 2023-01-19 15:50:52
Wow you did dig up an old thread. But no harm done. The following threads concerning JWMKit are much newer.
https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=4473
https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=4542
I'm glad you are "impressed" with JWMKit. I've tried my best to create it in a way that respects the user while also creating a very usable experience. If you haven't already done so I recommend checking out the wiki as it reveals some of JWMKit's nicer and more advanced features.
The fact that you didn't even have a fully populated menu is odd since jwmkit_easymenu only requires Python3 to work, and I seriously doubt you were missing Python3. The JWMKit package installs it's own python module called jwmkit_utils.py . If this file was missing you would have the exact same experience you described. I don't know why it would be missing as it should of been installed. I wonder if uninstalling and reinstalling would of fix the issue?
The JWMKit package provided on my Sourceforge site should handle the dependencies. With that said I've not tested the newer builds on older versions of Devuan/Debian. It seems dpkg ignores dependencies so I advise using either apt or gdebi to install local packages.
On another note, Sourceforge is flaking out and the files have disappeared for many project. Sadly JWMKit is one of those projects.
EDIT - The Sourceforge issue has been fixed.
#92 Re: DIY » A Survey of User-made Content » 2023-01-14 23:42:05
Too late — I've set it up over at my OBS account:
Sweet. I didn't say I wasn't serious, just that I didn't expect anyone to take me serious. 
#93 Re: DIY » A Survey of User-made Content » 2023-01-14 23:15:48
I know this is currently just in discussion, but if this comes to fruition can I suggest it be called "The Devuan Community's Crapton Repository" or the DCCR for short. Of course in the Devuan community It will simple be known as Crapton.
-- to be clear, I'm not expecting anyone to take this suggestion seriously.
#94 Re: DIY » A Survey of User-made Content » 2023-01-14 20:11:08
@golinux
Thanks. It's out of my control. it's up to codeberg. Everything works for me. So maybe try it again latter?
#95 Re: Off-topic » What are you reading/want to read ? » 2023-01-14 20:04:13
One of my actual duties in my first computer job was to read Compute! Gazette (and BYTE, and all those late 70's early 80's mags) and report my impressions to management about what was going on in the biz. Some pretty bizzarro advertising! Those were the days! The microcomputer 'industry' was just beginning to shake itself out, and then along came the IBM PC...
That sounds like a pretty sweet gig, I loved the ads. Some were so technical and straight to the point. I liked those. Then others were as you said "bizzarro".
I enjoy the modern PC, but I really hated seeing the home computer scene being replaced with the era of PCs.
#96 Re: DIY » A Survey of User-made Content » 2023-01-14 19:48:10
So what does JWMkit....do?
I'll keep my answer short so not to derail this thread.
JWMKit's goal is to provide JWM (Joe's WIndow Manager) with the easy of use found in much more complicated window managers and desktop environments.
I consider JWM the lightest of the window managers. So JWMKit with JWM can provide an ultra lightweight system that is easy to use.
Check out the links in my signature for more info. The wiki would be a good place to start.
I am the author and maintainer of JWMKit. JWMkit should works on any distro, but in it's early days development specifically targeted Devuan.
#97 Re: DIY » A Survey of User-made Content » 2023-01-14 19:22:11
FYI . . . all the previous Devuan artwork is archived on our git as raw files and all the Clearlooks-Phoenix-* debs are still available in the Chimaera repos and likely Daedalus too!
Thanks. I remember seeing it when browsing the git, but I forgot about it. I just needed reminded.
#98 Re: Off-topic » Haiku r1/b4 » 2023-01-14 01:46:35
I've never use haiku or BeOS, but I've heard so much about them. I should really allow myself some free time to try out some of the non-linux/windows operating systems. Haiku, OpenIndiana, ArcaOS, Icaros, ReactOS, and more. On another note, didn't someone fork TempleOS recently? Oh how I wish I had more time to just mess with the stuff.
#99 Re: Off-topic » What are you reading/want to read ? » 2023-01-14 01:35:43
I guess it's a bit of nostalgia mixed with pure nerdiness, but I've been reading though old Compute! Gazette Magazines at archive.org
Maybe I've been watching to much of "Adrian’s Digital Basement" and "8-bit guy"
#100 Re: DIY » A Survey of User-made Content » 2023-01-14 01:20:01
I was waiting for @zappers input from our discussion before making the suggest of JWMKit as a possibility for this repository, but I see he already jumped in head first. 
I guess he's quicker to action than I am. Thanks
JWMKit is not in the Debian repository and the project was originally release here on these forums as a Refracta build of Devuan. I do maintain debs so it should be easy to add to the repository and keep up to date.
I think it would also be nice to see things like JWM themes in the repository, and custom Devuan wallpapers, icons, etc. Or archives of older Devuan artwork that is not in the current release.
Also having the repository would help deliver the newest versions to the user of my Devuan based JWMKit Linux.
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