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#851 Re: Devuan » They say systemd makes packaging easier, better of the two evils? » 2023-08-29 20:50:53
I don't know how or why it went down that way in arch (and don't really care). But I do know how and why it went down in Debian. Re-posting these links for those who have missed them. Pehaps they will answer some of your questions:
OT: Open letter to the Linux World
Date: Tue Aug 12 2014 - 15:35:49 EST
https://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/ker … 02496.html
Systemd: The Biggest Fallacies by Jude C. Nelson
https://sysdfree.wordpress.com/2018/03/26/186/
General Resolution: init system coupling
https://www.debian.org/vote/2014/vote_003
Combatting revisionist history
2015-02-25 20:23
https://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=120652
#852 Re: Devuan » They say systemd makes packaging easier, better of the two evils? » 2023-08-29 17:37:53
How low have we fallen to be discussing a reddit thread here . . . seriously . . . worst place ever for accurate information . . .
#853 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] manually mount disks always have different mount points? » 2023-08-29 01:37:42
I used it to get root privileges in thunar to change fstab entries to UUIDs etc. back in jessie days. Isn't that what you asked for? However, it probably doesn't work anymore. There are likely new ways of doing it today. I never mess with that stuff after it's set up so can't remember specifics . . .
#854 Re: Installation » Trying to install wine32 results in deleting all gnome and xfce » 2023-08-29 00:46:06
Did you consult any instructions before launching into the install? I had wine installed on jessie but my system was 32 bit so much easier. I have not installed wine on 64 bit chimaera for reasons like you are describing but have discussed the process with those more in the know than I am. The takeaway for me was that wine requires 32 bit libraries alongside the 64 bit libraries and everything has to be done in a particular order. Some finger crossing is also probably a good idea . . . 
#855 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] manually mount disks always have different mount points? » 2023-08-28 23:24:14
It used to be easy with gksu thunar but gksu was removed/deprecated years ago. Search and there might be current alternatives.
#856 Re: Off-topic » The Joke Thread » 2023-08-27 02:15:30
sgage . . . having a bad day?
#857 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] "Powered by Devuan" icons? » 2023-08-27 02:08:31
@alexkemp . . . finally got around to putting some of the "Powered-by" icons in git:
https://git.devuan.org/devuan/documenta … a45e4936f3
https://git.devuan.org/devuan/documenta … narrow.png
https://git.devuan.org/devuan/documenta … narrow.png
This info is in the commit:
Powered by Devuan icons courtesy of alexkemp. Thank you!
See: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=43713#p43713
Thanks again!
#858 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Browsers won't launch » 2023-08-27 01:02:00
Well then you can ignore the link I just added above. If you are used to gnome, carry on. Hope you can get things working and sorry for the noise . . .
#859 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Browsers won't launch » 2023-08-27 00:42:48
golinux wrote:What desktop did you install? FF should be installed by default.
When installing the system, instead of Xfce, I chose to install Gnome.
Why? I never could figure out the gnome3 desktop. That's when I stopped using it a very long time ago. So sorry, can't help except to mention the Mate desktop which uses gnome2.
I will drop here a link from over 10 years ago for your reading pleasure :
GNOME (et al): Rotting In Threes
#860 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Browsers won't launch » 2023-08-27 00:26:10
Did I misread something again . . . sigh . . .
This is what confused me because I have no idea what that means:
I tried to install through the Chromium terminal . . .
What desktop did you install? FF should be installed by default.
#861 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Browsers won't launch » 2023-08-27 00:17:47
Installation of packages is handled by apt either via the command line or the synaptic package manager. Have you read this page?
#862 Re: Devuan Derivatives » New Vendefoul Wolf Re-spin | Devuan 5 » 2023-08-26 22:24:18
golinux wrote:Welcome to Devuan! While I appreciate your contribution, I am puzzled by the title. I have no idea how to pronounce it, can't remember how to spell it so not in my memory bank and "Vende" as in the French verb "Vendre" which means "to sell" has me confused as to your intentions. Please enlighten me. Thanks!
The intentions are to spread and propagate Devuan, the name occurred to me while watching a movie about wolves... just like that.
Did the AI write that non-answer also? LOL! I surrender . . .
#863 Re: Devuan Derivatives » New Vendefoul Wolf Re-spin | Devuan 5 » 2023-08-26 16:28:35
Welcome to Devuan! While I appreciate your contribution, I am puzzled by the title. I have no idea how to pronounce it, can't remember how to spell it so not in my memory bank and "Vende" as in the French verb "Vendre" which means "to sell" has me confused as to your intentions. Please enlighten me. Thanks!
#864 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Refracta, where is .bash_history » 2023-08-26 15:17:27
It is an option in Thunar also.
#865 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Devuan Ceres - X not starting at kernel 6.4 + 340.108 driver » 2023-08-26 02:25:30
Well . . . your English is better than my Ukrainian and we can understand what you are trying to say. Thing is that if information related to your installation is misspelled, our search engine won't be able to find solutions to any problems you might solve. Just a bit more attention would be really appreciated. Thanks. 
#866 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Daedalus Nvidia-Xorg logout black screen » 2023-08-25 21:26:37
I don't remember seeing firmware-misc-nonfree before.
According to https://www.devuan.org/os/packages you should have these in your sources.list:
non-free-firmware, non-free and contrib
I'm probably missing something . . . sorry for the noise.
#867 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Devuan Ceres - X not starting at kernel 6.4 + 340.108 driver » 2023-08-25 19:17:17
@deepforest . . . There is no "Deadalus" at Devuan (or anyplace else afaik).
PLEASE stop posting erroneous technical information on this forum and correct your previous spelling errors that might confuse other users. I am tired of cleaning up your mess.
Then . . . learn how to spell DAEDALUS correctly so our search engine will find the actual Devuan distribution to which you are referring.
Thanks for helping to make this forum a more accurate resource for other users.
#868 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] "Powered by Devuan" icons? » 2023-08-24 17:11:20
The-Amnesiac-Philosopher is not so amnesiac, it seems. LOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#869 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] "Powered by Devuan" icons? » 2023-08-23 17:38:59
Thanks for doing that! Why didn't you put them in Devuan's git? Pulling out the two I prefer and adding them to the git art section is still on my list . . .
#870 Re: Devuan » Can anyone fill me in on why and how exactly systemd took over Linux? » 2023-08-23 03:24:26
@neilgunton . . . My comment was related to execution rather than content as it was rather structured analysis that didn't get sidetracked. zapper can often be whimsical and a bit silly too. He is like family.
As to your question . . . This forum does have a search function.
You might also want to look at The dev1galaxy.org (almost) No Code of Conduct.
#871 Re: Devuan » Learned something new about devuan, after foolishness » 2023-08-23 03:04:44
I have never even seen debian or devuan say this LOL.
First sentence of the third paragraph on:
https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation … o-daedalus
Note that skipping releases is not supported.
Although, its probable I just didn't do enough research.
You think?
#872 Re: Devuan » Can anyone fill me in on why and how exactly systemd took over Linux? » 2023-08-23 02:57:15
@zapper . . . that has to be one of your best posts ever!
#873 Re: Devuan » Can anyone fill me in on why and how exactly systemd took over Linux? » 2023-08-22 19:30:38
Oh well . . . maybe someone else will wake up to the idea of becoming part of the solution . . .
#874 Re: Devuan » Can anyone fill me in on why and how exactly systemd took over Linux? » 2023-08-22 19:05:18
How long before they work out ways to exclude Devuan from being able to decouple systemd? I'm sure it's in the works.
That may end up depending on how many elves there are in the workshop. Devuan has been a labor of love for many of us but we are a small team that could use more hands on deck. Sadly folks love to USE Devuan but not many donate their time and talent(s) to help create it so the bus factor looms. We need redundancy and a new generation of creatives to keep Devuan on track. Care to dive in?
#875 Re: Devuan » Can anyone fill me in on why and how exactly systemd took over Linux? » 2023-08-22 18:38:17
golinux wrote:OT: Open letter to the Linux World
Date: Tue Aug 12 2014 - 15:35:49 EST
https://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/ker … 02496.htmlSystemd: The Biggest Fallacies by Jude C. Nelson
https://sysdfree.wordpress.com/2018/03/26/186/General Resolution: init system coupling
https://www.debian.org/vote/2014/vote_003Combatting revisionist history
2015-02-25 20:23
https://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=120652Lots of good stuff in these links, thanks very much! One line that jumped out at me in the final article, "there was no debate". Very interesting how these things can happen, they creep in and before you know it, it's a fait accompli. Too late to do anything about it now! Oh well! Kind of reminds me of some other things that have happened more recently in the political realm, but we won't go into all that.
Having lived through it, I can testify that it was indeed the ugly, farcical manipulation that dasein analyzes so eloquently. Some of those speaking out were banned from the Debian developers mailing list. I got a warning. There was some debate on the Debian forum at the time but systemd discussions are now not even allowed afaik. When IBM bought Red Hat, everything started to come into focus, then Poettering moved to MS and then, fait accompli, everything became perfectly clear.
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