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#776 Re: Devuan Derivatives » JWM KIT love fest » 2021-10-02 00:02:23
zapper wrote:Camtaf wrote:Welcome, once you have something you like it is difficult to change, but XFCE is a good compromise between heavy weight desktops like Gnome & KDE, which use a lot of resources, & a Window Manager, which is my preference, especially Fluxbox.
If it is a lack of swap, you could create a swap file; but it's always better to have a partition if it is needed.
As I have said before, I myself prefer JWM.
Even before I found JWMKit, I loved it, but now its just so awesome upon finding it.
Also, as any experienced linux user knows, you can save the config and transfer it to other computers.
PS, fluxbox is decent also though!
I just like JWM because it is the lightest smallest footprint without having no panel.
Also, the more the cpu is used, the more battery life that seems to be used.
Anywho, that's the best window manager I know of that's simple, has a task panel and isn't complicated like DWM.
I highly recommend the OP of this thread to try JWM if he uses JWMKit.
If he is intermediate at linux, in skill or higher particularly.
That JWMKit does look pretty awesome. What's it do to your memory usage?
You should check for yourself, but the most I use usually is like 200mb, when I measure by htop,
I also have open, multiload-ng-systray open. volumicon, cbatticon, and a few python scripts, one to disable touchpad, a background wallpaper changer, and using xautolock + slock locking when idle for 30 mins and redshift.
The non gtk version aka.
I am not sure how much it would be if I closed all but jwm. Although this is on my main system I noticed this which doesn't use devuan, I will check if you like, but this thread seems to be getting derailed... email me if your more curious, or you could test it out yourself. 
EDIT, it seems in a 4GB ram devuan beowulf install without jwmkit its like 80mb. Nothing open except htop.
I wonder if the amount of ram also affects how much memory is eaten by apps.
#777 Devuan Derivatives » JWM KIT love fest » 2021-10-01 12:31:10
- zapper
- Replies: 68
Welcome, once you have something you like it is difficult to change, but XFCE is a good compromise between heavy weight desktops like Gnome & KDE, which use a lot of resources, & a Window Manager, which is my preference, especially Fluxbox.
If it is a lack of swap, you could create a swap file; but it's always better to have a partition if it is needed.
As I have said before, I myself prefer JWM.
Even before I found JWMKit, I loved it, but now its just so awesome upon finding it.
Also, as any experienced linux user knows, you can save the config and transfer it to other computers.
PS, fluxbox is decent also though!
I just like JWM because it is the lightest smallest footprint without having no panel.
Also, the more the cpu is used, the more battery life that seems to be used.
Anywho, that's the best window manager I know of that's simple, has a task panel and isn't complicated like DWM.
I highly recommend the OP of this thread to try JWM if he uses JWMKit.
If he is intermediate at linux, in skill or higher particularly.
#778 Re: News & Announcements » devuan 4 » 2021-09-30 20:34:39
No apology necessary. Gender is completely irrelevant to me. Zero interest because I see the person not the genetic fluke.
Alrighty, still, good to know. Thank you for your patience.
#779 Re: News & Announcements » devuan 4 » 2021-09-30 19:52:33
If Golinux wants to jump in, I invite him to do so
At all times during her first 79 years in life she's admitted to the female pronoun, and most likely she'll continue with so, although as a modern person she wouldn't be too fussed.
And, the Chimaera 4.0 release will creep up on us when we least expect it; just a couple of t's to dot and i's to cross...
Yeah, I was really not aware of this, thanks for letting me know.
#780 Re: News & Announcements » devuan 4 » 2021-09-30 19:50:11
@zapper . . . what Ralph said.
Ah, I hadn't known about this, my bad.
I am surprised I never heard of this before.
Seriously, I really didn't know.
My bad
I didn't know you were female aka.
#781 Re: Off-topic » Troll appreciation thread » 2021-09-30 19:47:39
zapper wrote:blackhole wrote:headstick will be nursing a semi reading this....
What does that mean? And why exactly?
Don't feed the troll
Ah so that's what he meant... 
#782 Re: Off-topic » Troll appreciation thread » 2021-09-30 10:22:36
headstick will be nursing a semi reading this....
What does that mean? And why exactly?
I am very much curious to those questions.
#783 Re: News & Announcements » devuan 4 » 2021-09-30 10:21:25
Short Answer: When It's Ready
My guess though is that it is pretty close to Stable already, but it will probably at most take a few more months. Keep in mind, debian bullseye was released not very long ago. August 14th 2021 is when it became Stable. If it becomes officially Stable within 3 months from that, awesome! If it takes 6 months from that, still great.
But yeah, I don't think it will take more than either of those dates given how close it is to Stable already.
If Golinux wants to jump in, I invite him to do so.
I really don't know aka.
I have A VM of Devuan, and it seems to run pretty darn well.
#784 Re: Installation » When did Legacy BIOS cease to exist? » 2021-09-30 00:09:27
In the future, I am going to use Libreboot or coreboot as much as possible. If a computer or motherboard isn't compatible with either of those, I simply won't buy it.
I would also say, theres only one exception I would make to that:
If it is more libre then either, such as MNT Reform or more so, then that should be an exception.
Anything else, I agree with you is utterly absurd.
Hazardous boot is for sure a microsoft idea. It is not secure in anyway shape or form.
Hence why I call it hazardous boot. ;P
#785 Re: Devuan Derivatives » JWM Kit Linux build 20210828 (WOW! What an improvement) » 2021-09-30 00:05:32
Cool, I saw your stable release! I appreciate it.
I hope it works as well for devuan as it does Hyperbola!
Thank you very much in advance!
#786 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » rfkill status popup » 2021-09-22 09:20:03
My wife's PC, upgraded from Beowulf to Chimaera. She gets a popup on every login requesting "Setting RfKill State requires privileges". When I log on on the same PC under my account, no popup. On my PC, same hardware, native Chimaera, I also do not get this popup. There is no bluetooth hardware built into both the PC's.
The only thing that might be different on my wifes PC is that there is a ReinerSCT tanJack deluxe for homebanking installed, but that is connected via USB and should not have bluetooth communication (no hint in the manual).
Looks like the policy org.blueman.policy is causing this. My wife usually cancels the popup.
Well, checked if rfkill is installed. Wasn't, installed it and no change. Also entering the root PW once did not change the behaviour.
Where do I start with troubleshooting? De-install blueman?
Thanks, rolfie
Probably, you have to remove* bluetooth crap as a whole... tlp + tlp gui would help though.
https://github.com/d4nj1/TLPUI
Just need tlp and to install tlpui, and you can have bluetooth disabled when you log in.
Takes a bit of setup, but you get the idea.
Meant to say remove not install, lol.
But yeah. tlp combined with tlp gui would also work as I mentioned.
#787 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » xorg-server Xorg 21.1.0 - first release candidate since 1.20.0 » 2021-09-22 09:07:03
I needed some good news for a change. Thanks for catching that . . .
It's good to hear xorg is not going to die for a while, especially considering there are forks of it out there...
Sometimes, things will inevitably go from one repo to another, after all...
Besides, wayland seems dicey, especially if any of this is true:
#788 Re: Off-topic » The rise of Artix and decline of Arch on Distrowatch » 2021-09-18 03:03:45
I looked up Hyperbola Linux and their website says:
"Due to the Linux kernel rapidly proceeding down an unstable path, we are planning on implementing a completely new OS derived from several BSD implementations."... and:
"Future versions of Hyperbola will be using HyperbolaBSD which will have the new kernel, userspace and not be ABI compatible with previous versions."What the!
They give reasons. That's somewhat concerning as a Linux user! But is the Linux kernel really heading significantly down that way, or is the Hyperbola site being slightly alarmist??
It all depends on how seriously you take the threat of bloat, including, rust, java, systemd, dbus, etc...
Also, it depends on if you want your system to be as close to free software as possible.
Redhat's dbus, systemd and other trash = really bloated and obnoxius just thought I should add this here...
Rust = non-free (trademarks for modification)
Java = non-free (trademarks for modification also)
Mono = questionable due to who owns it, aka, microsoft
If you want actual 100% free software or even 99% free software, or care about security, I would say, yes.
If you do not care about either security or free software to such a level, then meh...
It works for me, I should mention, They will support HyperbolaBSD I think till the kernel they are using is defunct or 2027 at the latest from what I remember.
By then, they will make HyperbolaBSD stable supposedly.
That is my understanding...
I think in 2024 they plan to have the base done, at the latest, but it won't be very feature rich till later.
Again, my understanding, it could happen sooner, but I am not sure.
I think I should leave it here, if you want to say more, probably a new thread would be wise.
#789 Re: Off-topic » The rise of Artix and decline of Arch on Distrowatch » 2021-09-17 10:30:14
Am I the only person in the world who doesn't like Arch, its derivatives, or respins?
Why do you hate arch derivatives? You do know, Hyperbola is very init freedom friendly, in addition to that, they reject dbus, pulseaudio, networkmanager and other redhat garbage that bloats the system to the insane level.
Also, in my opinion, as long as you use the latest installer of their system always, you will never have problems installing, unless you don't know what you are doing.
That being said, this has nothing to do with the OP,
Distrowatch is good for finding out about new distros like some people in this thread said, but other than that, it is probably useless.
my two cents for ya.
Also, one other thing that's less related, Artix's documentation on how to install is a bit too minimal, arch is too system dumbed, aka, systemd runs through its veins and parabola is the next easiest, but honestly, screw all other arch distros besides Hyperbola. It is the minimalism king and the most stable, secure, lightweight distro.
For now, I use the testing version, till 0.4 is ready completely, as in stable.
Anywho, my point being, don't hate all arch derivatives, just hate most of them.
Parabola is meh, Hyperbola is awesome, the rest suck.
Artix only sucks because its documenation isn't really good for encrypted installs.
#790 Re: Off-topic » [SOLVED] Devuan GNU/Linux 5 (daedalus) Released as Next Testing! » 2021-09-13 02:06:18
@zapper . . . we are in the home stretch . . .
Wait I thought, Devuan Ascii was based on that...
Okay but seriously, its coming sooner than that?
Also, I have wanted to make a joke like that for a long time...
#791 Re: Off-topic » [SOLVED] Devuan GNU/Linux 5 (daedalus) Released as Next Testing! » 2021-09-12 22:41:25
zapper wrote:Wow, you guys were mega fast in getting Devuan chimaera out...
The subject of this thread is misleading. Chimaera has not been "officially" released yet. Will be soon though . . .
Still would be surprising considering when debian 11 was released...
August 14th 2021 was when it was released... so there's that.
Even if it came out in september, or early october.
Best wishes though on such a goal though if that's what you intend!
#792 Re: Off-topic » Troll appreciation thread » 2021-09-12 22:37:17
zapper wrote:I am curious what Andy meant though by his Head on a stick's mayhem causing on fdn,
I wonder if it was like the time I trolled on a sc2mapster.com like this:
https://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/gener … -is-magic2
This was a long time ago though...
Though, I was somewhat mentally insane then...
meh... it is what it is.
You'd see people wander into the Debian forum and say things like, "I enabled stable and testing and unstable and experimental repos and added a few ppa's and mixed and matched packages from all of them and then ran a few weird commands I found on the Ubuntu forum and now my computer is bricked and I've lost all my data and a million dollar government contract because your distro sucks. Fix me."
And you'd sit back and grab for the popcorn and wait for HOAS to show up and just thrash them with surgical precision. And then fix their problem. And then thrash them some more for good measure. Leave them in a quivering bloody puddle on the floor, whimpering. Deathly afraid of ever touching a keyboard again.
It was good stuff. As I said, it was weekly entertainment for quite awhile.
So, it was more funny than my silly thread?
If you don't want to go there due to javascript, etc... let me know and I will email you the contents...
#793 Re: Off-topic » Troll appreciation thread » 2021-09-09 21:21:32
Hi
I sugest the 30 of febrary. So the next time will be in year 2100.
Have a nice day
Lars H
Feburary 29th is a leap year, but I don't think feburary 30th exists even...
Then again, that's probably the point...
That being said, I agree with Yeti.
I am curious what Andy meant though by his Head on a stick's mayhem causing on fdn,
I wonder if it was like the time I trolled on a sc2mapster.com like this:
https://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/gener … -is-magic2
This was a long time ago though...
Though, I was somewhat mentally insane then...
meh... it is what it is.
#794 Re: Off-topic » [SOLVED] Devuan GNU/Linux 5 (daedalus) Released as Next Testing! » 2021-09-09 05:27:43
Yes, i did by simply change repository from chimaera to daedalus.
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera main non-free contribdeb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus main non-free contribOfficial images are here
https://files.devuan.org/
I haven't seen the Daedalus ISO on this pages so far, i believe because it is too early.Congratulations to the passers on the next adventures
Wow, you guys were mega fast in getting Devuan chimaera out...
I am surprised.
I remember when it took two years or one year after the release for it to come out. Aka, Devuan Jessie and Devuan Ascii.
I am glad init freedom projects remain alive.
#795 Re: Devuan » Why are systemd files present in Devuan? » 2021-09-09 05:25:12
A different take on this discussion, try seeing it this way. IBM saw linux as possibly being their baby, so proceeded to help themselves, systemd was a simple business decision. The init system is the perfect place to start to gain control of linux, note all the bits and pieces that have followed. They all share one common trait, they are all for control of your computer, whether it be networking IO or FS. Also note the existing systems normally operated perfectly, but are just getting swept aside. The damning thing is Redhat has been profitable while they have done it, so they have made good money wrecking our system., they are laughing all the way to the bank. {>_<}
Let me put this in simpler terms then, or if you prefer, my words:
Redhat and IBM both have one thing in common, they are purely motivated by an insatiable lust for power.
Thus, IBM bought Redhat for this reason...
Thus, I really would like to see their leaders swallowed by the earth.
Oh well, I can dream...
#796 Re: Devuan Derivatives » JWM Kit Linux build 20210828 (WOW! What an improvement) » 2021-09-08 01:06:14
Sorry, I did not specify a release date. I prefer quality and flexibility over deadlines. As you stated in the Issue you submitted, " its ready, when its ready.
Progress is directly linked to my availability (free time). I'll try my best to have it ready before the end of the month, hopefully sooner depending on time, energy and coffee. The largest number of issues are with the Time & Date tool. If it is the cause of much delay. I will either leave it out of the build or just set NoDisplay=true in it's .desktop file.
I do feel the Time & Date tool is important because it allows control of the date/time/timezone without having to add even more dependencies to the system. Also it seems many of the newer Graphical time set tools are simply a front end for timedatectl (systemd)
Excellent to hear!
End of the month is definitely a good answer if its possible.
Thank you, and feel free to lock that issue whenever, since you seem to be working on it.
Will time and date have a possibility to be made bold in the future? Not needed, but would be nice, still, I would rather it be released sooner then later even if that isn't an opiton.
And yes, that mess from redhat is hell...
I consider most of redhat's trash to be garbage. Systemd, dbus, networkmanager pulseaudio, pipewire, avahi, and stuff that those packages depend on, the libraries that redhat develops for them, is really, really annoying.
That all being said, I think I am in good company at least wirh regard to system dumb... I call it that, because it is so bloated its a stupid design. 
Anywho, thanks again!
#797 Re: Off-topic » Troll appreciation thread » 2021-09-08 00:56:58
zapper wrote:andyprough wrote:This guy's shtick is so boring. I don't mind a good troll, but at least have some talent. Nothing more boring than a loud, no-talent troll.
I mean, if he was spouting nonsense, like the don king troll and not being hateful, I would enjoy it big time.
But this is just...
a waste of time...
https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1032102
Scroll down till you see the don king troll.
Actually looks like this one fits the "Bustr troll" description from your link:
"The Bustr. Bustrs are obsessive Bitters by whom you could practically set your watch. A Bustr never forgets, never forgives, and holds a grudge until the day it dies. Also a variant of Agenda trolls, Bustrs typically move from forum to forum complaining about the objects of their ire, often cutting and pasting age-old diatribes that have little meaning to most of their audiences. Most Bustrs are relatively incoherent, though a few of the more lucid ones are potentially dangerous stalkers."I was surprised not to see the type of trolling that I do described on that page, as it was otherwise quite comprehensive. I like to troll with a bit of humor - most trolls are too serious.
Yeah, I meant, I prefer trolls who are ridiculous and spout gibberish and nonsense.
Like the Don King troll... would have been a funny one to be.
I meant, if he trolled like Don King, I might have found entertainment...
Although when people spout gibberish enough, it does make you feel like you lost brain cells...
But nope, he choose to be a kind that is dull, in my opinion anyways.
That was my point, I guess.
Either way, meh...
I have lost interest.
Btw, on an unrelated note, I have emailed you, did your old email die, or have you lost interest in chatting with me.
Same one as before, just a heads up.
#798 Off-topic » Troll appreciation thread » 2021-09-08 00:22:41
- zapper
- Replies: 15
This guy's shtick is so boring. I don't mind a good troll, but at least have some talent. Nothing more boring than a loud, no-talent troll.
I mean, if he was spouting nonsense, like the don king troll and not being hateful, I would enjoy it big time.
But this is just...
a waste of time...
https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1032102
Scroll down till you see the don king troll.
#799 Re: Installation » To Ralph And Some Others » 2021-09-07 19:56:20
...
Yeah... was this really necessary?
#800 Re: Devuan Derivatives » JWM Kit Linux build 20210828 (WOW! What an improvement) » 2021-09-07 17:32:49
zapper. JWM Kit needs a little bit of polishing before I can make a stable release. I have a list of issues and I mark them off as I go. When I finish the list I will make a stable release. Of course if any big issues are discovered before I finish they will be added to the list.
Thanks for the feedback and your Patience.
Alrighty, good to know. I am curious how much longer it will be though before it is released, aka, like a month or w/e, but thanks for the update.
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