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(Couldn't guess that from their names.)
Ticking off my list of questions tbd:
what are these constantly-updated cookies tracking?
pun_cookie_18e56f
pun_cookie_18e56f_track
(just wondered)
For those who prefer to control the new fashion in inter-server tracking, consider this add-on:
RequestPolicy Continued
Wasn't there something about xconf?
On startup,
GDBus.Error:org.desktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed:
Cannot determine user of subject
synaptic does not work from Preferences (why there?) for (mere) user (does waste time) ¿why is it even listed!?
but using Debian/Applications/System/Package_Management brings up LXTerminal (did a message about gksu flash by?):
==== AUTHENTICATING FOR com.ubuntu.pkexec.synaptic ====
Authentication is required to run the Synaptic Package Manager.
Authenticating as: root
Password:
==== AUTHENTICATION COMPLETE ====
messages repeated several times:
Gtk-message: Gtk-Dialog mapped without a transient parent. This is discouraged.
(also some messages about theme engine not found for (from-menu) app)
(on (possibly-buggered(never trust an "update/upgrade")) LXDE installed from Jessie DVD (only DVD I've seen))
(edit for format, specifics 2017JUN16)
…If you want network-manager, you need to add it after the install…
If you have both wired and wireless network hardware, the installer will ask which one you want to use if you are going to use a network mirror…
Wicd has a button that says "Switch off wifi". Are you saying it doesn't work? It also has connect/disconnect buttons for both wired and wireless connections, and I know those work.…
Yes, my attempts to check the wicd "switch off wifi" box were ignored.
(ed: I should clarify that I don't test wireless unless something passes a lot more testing - I'm just reporting what the UI shows.)
For that matter, wicd_network-manager doesn't re-connect timely or consistently - on eth0/wired, at least.
I have to stop whatever I'm doing, go up to the icon (or a rolled-up window-title-bar) and click to force it.
In my experience, nothing (devuan or derivative or conversion) using it has behaved any differently.
The few derivatives I found using connman-ui had no problem re-connecting; thus my current preference for that option.
(Speaking of options, if I only have wired hardware, why install wicd and default to wireless-only? I saw no option…)
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Thanks for pointing out the LXDE option on the DVD!
…If you're going to use refractasnapshot, it would be easier to install from a devuan installer iso, configure the system how you want it, and then make the live iso from that…
Even if your goal is a custom version of the live ISO you start from?
I did use refractasnapshot-gui on a live derivative ISO with openbox and connman-ui and made a slightly different version. Hope springs!
(I may have to study the custom setup for the live ISO user.)
Somewhat Reticent wrote:What about converting with a live DebIan Lxde ISO to Devuan, then using refractasnapshot?
If you're going to use refractasnapshot, it would be easier to install from a devuan installer iso, configure the system how you want it, and then make the live iso from that. I could have an lxde live iso in a couple hours that way. …
Is there an LXDE option on the DVD or CD? Is there an install ISO that is live enough to add refractasnapshot-gui?
Did I miss an LXDE Live/install ISO?
For that matter, does any of them provide a choice between wicd/network-manager and connman-ui)?
I've found no ISO with wicd/network-manager that can switch off wi-fi or re-connect (even eth/wired).
…
Has anyone succeeded at this?
Would it be less trouble to add LXDE to a live openbox ISO? Or a live Xfce ISO?
Is there a recipe for converting a DebIan Live Lxde ISO?
…The manufacturer uses blobs …
… because they believe proprietary extremism works in their favor.
…
This may help. Until our hardware is as open as our software can be, we'll always be relying on the integrity of manufacturers.
What about converting with a live DebIan Lxde ISO to Devuan, then using refractasnapshot?
Perhaps Linux_Mint devs will come up with a per-app way to skin/theme X-apps?
i tested some devuan derivatives that still are in x86 but are still xtremely slower for playing mednafen snes... for most recent i386 seems good but not reproduce moder movies...
Game-console emulation takes serious horsepower, and so does audio-video encoding/decoding, right? I'd expect i386 to seem extremely slow - always was, when asked to do modern hardware's job. Adjust expectations, select appropriate targets. Keep It Short & Simple.
Several distros have progressed from i386 to i486, i586, and finally i686 baselines for their 32-bit works. Depends on what's needed, and what's available. As noted, on identical hardware 32-bit software may well perform better than 64-bit - depending on the particular task. It takes a fair amount of completely separate compilation, testing and storage to provide each architecture; resource limits may apply.
Small point of reference: this finds matching packages in oldstable/wheezy, testing/stretch, and unstable/sid - but not in stable/jessie. Go figure.
OhTheOtherHand, there are packages aplenty in stable/jessie for either sqlite xOR odbc - just not both.
Life gets complicated.
This may only come in i386 "32-bit" for now, but that works on much "64-bit" computers.
Makes a great baseline for evaluating whether prospective hardware will play nicely.
Judging by the backgrounds initially available, there's at least one merry soul contributing to it.
May they endure and prosper.
GNUinOS is a Libre Devuan-derivative; enjoy!
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If you wish, you can choose to add the FSFLA's Libre-kernel repository; surely there's a way (tutorial/wiki/Full-Manual?) to use it.
If you wish, you can choose to use only the "main" category of packages (or "main" and "contrib", for that matter).
If you wish, you can choose to review the license for each package as you consider using it, though such research isn't easy.
Different jurisdictions view licensing (and trademarks, and patents, …) differently. (whew!)
Meanwhile, please respect others' freedom to make their own choices, especially when you don't agree; it's their right.
There are many examples of a "Benevolent Dictator" curating a valuable toolset, including mentoring other curators.
Sadly, there are more examples of Freed Open-Source Software made almost completely unsupportable by extremism.
… uses fox toolkit 1.7.x for GUI, … As you see you don't need to depend on any gtk nor even qt for that, but to still have a GUI if you want to. …
And when you compile fox check apps inside, something that Debian refuses to compile for some reason it seems![]()
…
Sounds like if someone write say panel, synaptic in fox and web browser (at least in suckless way)... and couple other tiny apps, that would be pretty much usable gtk/qt free version of Desktop Linux…
(Careful you don't run afoul of some Not-Invented-Here or GPL3-or-Die zealotry!)
Cross-platform, Freed Open-Source (LGPL), suckless - what's not to love?
Though I only noticed Gentoo and Ubuntu packages (sigh).
…
Speaking of themes,…
Isn't it a pity Dark_Star is only gtk2, and not also gtk3 (at least for now)?
Wouldn't it be great if synaptic respected openbox themes were as complete as gtk themes (not just for window frame decorations), and synaptic respected them?
I get mine straight from VLC, they have their own repo and you can do it that way, they provide a key and such. … playback is choppy with a lot of dropped frames.
If cleaning smudges and scratches isn't enough, I find playback smoother if I expand the amount of time to buffer, or just rip to better storage with, say, handbrake.
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My local library has DVDs.
… Can you get version 3.x at videolan.org?
Doesn't GNUinOS offer i386 ISOs? And GoodLife?
… i want to produce installer disc
refracta only copies the system, i want produce live/devuan like Debian oficial way!…
While running a live system, have you tried editing /etc/refractasnapshot.conf to redirect work_dir and snapshot_dir to enough R/W-mounted (Linux filesystem storage to hold a copy of the (unsquashed!) filesystem plus the ISO?
Does this handle priorities or hotplug?
On the install-only DVD, wouldn't it be nice to have some sort of explanation of 'what each "component"' is available?
For that matter, choice of wicd vs. connman-ui (etc)?
For that matter, is there a scaled-down standalone version of JACK?
…A live iso with just xorg and a window manager is something I'm thinking about for ascii. …
So, one of the minimal-live ISOs just released, with Xorg+wm added? connman too? Or a tree/list of options to add?
Has Linux_Mint survived Ubuntu and DebIan? They both have more $ponsor$.
(How do you define "survival"?)
Also consider how long these have persisted: Slackware, SliTAZ, or Mandrake/Mandrive/OpenMandriva/Mageia/PCLOS.
Maybe that (need for toolkit independence) is why Linux_Mint devs are making X-apps?