Yes, I just figured this out so I restored my timeshift snapshot from before.

Well, elogind is extracted from systemd. I don't see why consolekit needed to be replaced, as distros I've tried that still use it (such as PCLinuxOS) work just fine, and since it was still in Devuans repositories (its not in Debians) I wanted to see if it would work. It doesn't, unless you rebuild any components that use the elogind flag.

I should rephrase my use of KDE. I like KDE applications, I do not like KDE Plasma. I can't stand the flat Breeze theme and similar to GNOME's Adwaita it sticks to everything. Trying to make Plasma look a bit more like pre-Plasma is hopeless. I hope LiquidShell gets developed more and makes its way into Devuan one day (who knows, I could package it). I typically use Trinity desktop, but the really old Qt version and inability to keep up like MATE has driven me away.

The newer Plasma versions after Chimaera have improved Wayland support by a lot. I'm ready to see what Daedulus will bring, if I'm still running Plasma by then..

I would use Wayland but in the latest stable its buggy as hell on KDE, especially with Flatpaks.

AFAIK, its not possible in Chimaera because pipewire replacing pulseaudio uses some systemd magic, at least in the wiki page for it.

I for one notice no difference at all from either, they serve a similar purpose. If apulse worked with flatpaks I would gladly get rid of pulseaudio/pipewire.

Can confirm the same issue now. I used to not like Discover or Plasma in general but they've grown on me, Discover reminds me of "Pamac" on Manjaro years ago.

Thierrybo, that is a great explanation. I guess its better to wait, at least we can just browse through the categories manually for now.

I don't think UsrMerge hurts anything, it should make porting applications easier for everybody. For once the arguments that Lennart (I assume thats who wrote that freedesktop article) gave actually make sense here. When the option comes I will probably switch over.

Pipewire is just as much of a cancer as pulseaudio, if not worse. It did not "magically solve" my popping issues, even after extensive configuration with media-session and wireplumber both.

I find ALSA to work out of the box on Devuan so long as you set the default card to the right one. And don't install from tasksel, I found out the hard way that I had that crap and it already messed everything up.

CSD has ruined GTK, and I can't think of many good Qt apps that don't pull in an arm and a leg.

Just installed Devuan and chose KDE in the task selector, how horrendous. Also I thought Chimaera removed dependencies on pulseaudio in the task selector? I used aptitude to resolve removing that crap pronto but its not completely resolved.

What environment do Devuan users use?

I'm on FreeBSD about to come back to Devuan with Plasma probably. What happened with the new release of Xfce? The CSD? They added an option for CSD to be turned off in the settings menu.

I just gave it another go and discovered if I didn't change any defaults in /etc/asound.conf and instead changed the order for snd-hda-intel chips in /etc/modprobe.d then everything just seems to work. I have both pulseaudio and pipewire blacklisted. Maybe adding more to the configuration is what ruined it for me, but dmix seems to be turned on by default.

I've been stuck to using FreeBSD which uses OSS for a while because of the cancer that is pulse/pipewire and ALSA, the purist alternative, didn't seem to "just work". OSS is much like that, plug and go. It can even handle software mixing well. Thankfully this worked, because otherwise I would have to deal with a constant popping noise regardless of the distro and regardless of what changes I made to pulseaudio or pipewire. I tried using Debian itself without systemd and well... Now I see why Devuan is so important.

That's a bit off-topic. Nice mixer I should say altor.

I really like the latter. Thanks for all the work you do!