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$ pcmanfm
Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "atk-bridge"
apt install libatk-adaptor
$ pcmanfm
$
Right-on!
If you were to leave jessie-backports open that may save you some downgrading.
I agree a fresh installation is best, maybe side by side and copy your .conf files over, but to me it is worth the experimentation and reporting that it can safely be done, today, with current state of the distributions (ascii --> jessie). A month from now it will not be a good indicator that it can be done.
What about things that exist on ascii and don't exist in jessie? Would they be retained as local installations or dumped? I assume the first, but what if their dependencies don't match or are inadequate? Thinking of OpenRC, eudev, runit, sysv-rc, etc.
We still do not have an answer for the puzzling behavior when using the refracta9/ascii image I was not able to install OpenRC without using ceres repository, while when @fsmithred did the same it worked.
So there is some funky business going on with the amprolla3 repositories that make them misbehave from time to time.
At a later point when ceres was turned off and reupdated, the ceres packages should have been seen as "local" installations, but didn't, they appeared as native to ascii. So I assume that part of the repository is available and unavailable without producing an error to the user.
Those are all valid jessie repositories, pick and choose. Some may not have a contrib and non-free components.
deb https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged/ jessie main contrib non-free
deb https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-backports main contrib non-free
deb https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/ jessie-proposed main contrib non-free
deb https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/ jessie-proposed-backports main contrib non-free
deb https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/ jessie-proposed-security main contrib non-free
deb https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-proposed-updates main contrib non-free
deb https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-security main contrib non-free
deb https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-updates main contrib non-free
Hello guys. No, i don't want to install systemd on devuan. I want to install devuan, but i have some questions:
So why don't you go back and correct that misleading subject?
415 and 4.16 .deb exist in various debian repositories, and I don't see dependencies being problematic for devuan (not 100% sure) so it is as easy as installing any pkg.
To test this use the live image, maybe try the refracta9-ascii live and install it to see if you have any problems with it. Install lightdm, your favorite terminal, and openbox, and then install the minetest. Check your ram use and compare it with slackware.
Refracta9/Devuan 2.beta https://sourceforge.net/projects/refrac … s/testing/
Here is some reading material
You should look up the three debian security alerts
https://meltdownattack.com/
https://spectreattack.com/
https://meltdownattack.com/meltdown.pdf
https://spectreattack.com/spectre.pdf
https://security-tracker.debian.org/tra … -2017-5715
https://security-tracker.debian.org/tra … -2017-5753
https://security-tracker.debian.org/tra … -2017-5754
https://xenbits.xen.org/xsa/advisory-254.html
https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.co.u … -side.html
http://blog.cyberus-technology.de/posts … tdown.html
https://01.org/security/advisories/intel-oss-10003
greenjeans wrote:All AMD here for last dozen years, but I guess Spectre still applies...looks like it may be a difficult fix?
The only real 'fix' is new CPUs without these flaws...
I usually work on an intel E8600 (core2duo) but recently I was handed this much newer box with an i7-3770 (4corex2threads) with 8M L2cache. I was expecting this thing to be flying and make mine feel like a turtle, but it actually seems pretty slow. I can't figure out why that is. Maybe most of what I do only requires a single core/thread and even though this i7 clocks at 3.9 and mine at 3.3 it should still be way ahead. I only got to see the 8 threads working while processing a UHD video and that only got to 17% of processing power. I thought maybe a slow disk makes it feel that way, so I switched disks, same thing.
I tried refracta, obarun, and artix on it. Same difference.
I am puzzled! Is it possible that kernels can explore older hw to the max while they haven't gotten the new hw figured out yet?
How many psychoanalysts does it take to change a lightbulb?
None, the lightbulb needs to want to change itself.
I have seen this warning/error message about ATK-bridge not found recently, unfortunately I can't remember the instance and can't reproduce at the moment.
I looked through pkgs and the only thing relevant is this.
libatk-bridge2.0-0/testing,now 2.22.0-2 amd64 [installed,automatic]
AT-SPI 2 toolkit bridge - shared library
What exactly does this thing do and why wouldn't it be found?
Are you saying those intelligent beings would teach Japanese and Portuguese whalers something?
They should go swim with the Orcas, they like students for snack.
That would teach them.
The only solution is re-evolution
No crash yet!
I dragged and dropped links from the bar to a webmail draft, from a link on a page back to the bar and from bookmards to bar and page and not a single problem. And that is with a gazillion of tabs open.
Maybe some addon is causing it. Mozilla goes out of its way to invalidate addons from other providers. Noscript and most other mozilla plugins that work on ESR work on Palemoon because the backbone of palemoon is built on old mozilla code and incorporates only the "sane" updates. Noscript works on ESR and palemoon just the same, while on 57 it is an annoying gadget.
The bad thing about ESR is that eventually it will become like 57, as it was less than a year ago that it was based on 45. Enjoy it while it lasts.
The reason i searched for other solutions was that I couldn't trust mozilla any more than I trust google, yahoo, msn, etc.. Which is ZERO!
Privacy badger is EFF which is a Mozilla non-profit publicity scum. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2016/04/save-firefox
There are I0 types of people in the world...
Those who understand binary and those who don't.
Is this better?
I will readily admit that I can't remember the difference between using apt vs. apt-get. Might oughta make a note-to-self for myself on that.
Each distribution in Debian/Devuan has a filesystem chart and it is different from each other (we touched on this topic on the other conversation about ascii). Dist-upgrade brings what the distribution prescribes of pkgs while apt upgrade just searches the repository you point it to, for newer versions of the pkgs already installed.
Somehow Debian managed to even trip its own packaging tools so even a plain apt upgrade from wheezy to Debian jessie would require systemd stuff to come in (as dependencies of depended pkgs. Apt upgrade from wheezy to Devuan jessie (or ascii) produces a fine system. But since you will be shifting to devuan you may as well apt-get dist-upgrade for the full experience
On synaptic the difference is called default upgrade vs smart upgrade, smart being dist-upgrade. (check on the preferences 1st page).
There are people who will disagree on this as apt and apt-get had different structures in the past but things have changed. apt-get upgrade and apt upgrade are the same thing. There is no such thing as apt dist-upgrade.
I hope this helps, and I welcome corrections on this view based on evidence.
I still have a functioning installation, I think my very 1st devuan, that is basically ascii converted from Devuan 1.0.0.0. that I had exposed to debian/sid, did an apt upgrade to see the list of upgradeable pkgs, took off the list the ones I expected to be problematic, and upgraded a ton of things. I haven't done it again for a few months now, but it works fine I call it frankensidevuan! Maybe I should call it GMO-linux
Hmmm,... time to give that installation a transfusion of some fresh sid blood.
Dolphins and whales are very intelligent, they just don't have arms and hands to make tools with. Maybe we can teach them linux and give them access to industrial robotics, then they can exterminate us humans and save the planet.
Hello:
I have two installations (on the same hardware/machine) with which I work and try to learn from.
I'd say that they are on both ends of the non-systemd spectrum:
Devuan with the 3.16.51 kernel and PCLinuxOS, which is a rolling release with the 4.12.10 kernel..
My kind of person, but what ends are those two?
I have 2 arch based non-systemd distros on that other end (Debian and Arch basis being 95% of linux) the one is Artix, and the other is Obarun. I'm even testing 4.15-rc* at the moment as 4.14s have been stable for a while now.
Except for the ready made Arch based linux-kernels there is a ton of stuff on AUR you can custom compile for superfast kernel built for your specific hardware. It may take a day of processing with an old machine but it is worth it.
I have gotten 4.15rc from Debian experimental and it works, only it does some funky thing with processor speed which I need to study up on. It seems it keeps the processors at low speed till there is a demand for them to do hard work. It is like an old GM trick of running V8s with a couple of cylinders dead till there is a need for power. Horrible idea on an engine.
And thanks to vuudo (greenjeans) for introducing me to it (PM).
I don't use it that much, but have used it as that new crappy ff 57 was a disaster.
It never crashed on me but I don't really drag and drop addresses either. I like copy paste better. Right now I am on a system that only has Palemoon which is my preferred browser for some time now. I will try drag and drop tomorrow on the 52 and report back. I just saw the past 48hrs there was an update of 52 but it may be on Deb-sid. Maybe get it from there if it is not ceres, it may have a fix.
I haven't gotten palemoon to crash once for months, it works on all videos, and it is like ff-esr use to be. I hope it stays this good! A new installer just came out for it too, 0.24, and it works like a charm. Keep the installer handy and check for updates. I have used the same installer in about 5 different linux systems. 2 thumbs up!
FFesr takes about twice the Ram to do the same stuff with PM.
Why are all the instruments searching for intelligent life pointing away from earth?
Why can't we figure out the simple things of making sure every human has adequate nutrition, shelter, access to information, and basic health services, for which the earth provide in tremendous abundance, with no scarcity to anyone, and we are worried about dark matter and dark energy.
As Einstein said, "two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity; and I am not so sure about the universe".
On my old (since stone age) Debian installation I have about the same ob setup.
When it starts up the static RAM is about 2.5 times more than it is with RedrasciiOpenRC.
About the only thing that can beat this is Obarun without a DM. It is also the fastest booting system I have seen. S6 has yet to produce a single freeze or crash of any form.
There are two rules for success in life:
Rule 1: Don't tell people everything you know.
That's the individualist's perspective of success.
Humanity has only evolved because humans tell what they know, eventually, somehow. Imagine, just imagine, if this was an organized process to do tell everything we know to the most people we can, as quickly as possible.
Instead we get schools that restrict what we should know and half of it is garbage.
A fungus, as a single organism, that can extent for kilometers, can transmit "information" from end to end (cell to cell), in a non-hierarchical manner, at the speed of electricity. And the same organism can live for thousands of years. The wisdom of fungi!
Sorry for the above I took a look and seems the whole X in Jessie is of a much older edition than that of ascii. So I don't think a partial installation would be compatible as it also replaces a couple of X11 server pkgs.
If you can compare lspci -k from both kernels you may be able to find what is missing or different on 4.9
Also, if you really want to get deep into it and have the time try the ascii iso from refracta to see if it works.
Everytime I see nvidia in a linux forum is like looking at a can of worms.,
apt install xserver-xorg-legacy
Hey did you hear about the funniest joke in human history?
it even made golinux crank a smile
I’ve always thought my neighbors were the nicest people
But then they had to put a password on their Wi-Fi