I started using xchat with jessie now it's hexchat in chimaera. That's the default in Xfce . . . It is text based. No html. The on line version can be found at https://libera.chat/ but then you won't have logs locally. parazyd had to nursemaid me through the setup . . . I am not an irc nerd so can't help beyond that. Looking forward to seeing you there! You can share your humor in the #devuan-offtopic channel! Hehehe . . .

PS. Channel logs are here

There is no 'you' that can own anything. 'You' is a mental fiction and 'ownership' a delusion . . .

The-Amnesiac-Philosopher has a very fertile imagination . . . 

(that's as close as I can get to a groaner)

@Ron . . . I am very sorry to tell you that MiyoLinux is not being developed atm.

Please do not use hard line breaks in your posts . . .

So many words to say so little . . . I have read this several times and still have no idea what the message is . . .

The funky formatting on the copy/paste was a nice touch. Is anybody there?

I have always assumed that it was not possible to fork those banned packages for technical dependency reasons . . .

Oh, my broken eardrums! 5 sec was enough . . .

Well said, steve_v. It is the reckless human factor in your equation that has been, is and always will be  the problem . . .

@alexkemp . . .

To expand on that idea here are some excerpts from the 1975 best-selling classic, SUGAR BLUES by William Dufty, which details the genesis of the FDA.  Below are a few excerpts from the relevant chapter - Codes of Honesty:

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The Pure Food and Drug Laws are frequently regarded as landmarks in the history of social legislation. Certainly, government can have no higher aim than to attempt to protect the health of the people. Perhaps biological decline was well along when it became necessary to pass laws to prevent people, out of excessive devotion to moneymaking, from poisoning one another.

"When people lost sight of the way to live," wrote Lao Tsu. "came codes of love and honesty."

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The campaign for passage of the Pure Food and Drug Laws had been conducted out in the open. Its undoing was accomplished in the dark. Food processors and rectified whiskey makers formed a united front to sabotage Wiley and his bureau. Representatives of the food business camped on the doorsteps of legislators, cabinet officers, and the president of the United States, complaining that sacred capital was being confiscated, praying, begging, and blackmailing for relief from the policies of Wiley and his bureau.

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Upton Sinclair's book The Jungle had helped turn the tide in favor of the Pure Food and Drug Laws. After he left government, Dr. Wlley wrote a book telling the whole sordid story of how those laws had been scuttled from within government. He knew where the bodies were buried, and he resolved to tell it all and let the American people get riled up once again. However, he was no politician. Again he underestimated the forces arrayed against him. Wiley, undertaking to finance his book, turned his precious manuscript over to a printer. That manuscript mysteriously 'disappeared" and has never been found to this day. Just how these things are done is rarely uncovered.

Shattered but unbroken, Dr. Wiley valiantly returned to work, rewriting his book from scratch. This chore occupied him totally for ten years. He tried to update matters, but by 1929 many of his shocking revelations were already old hat. Some of the villains were dead. Most of the politicians had passed on or at least out of power. Still, his volume The "History of a Crime Against the Food Law" was a primer on government corruption, quite unlike anything that had ever been written before. This time, he tried to protect himself. He took no chances on the manuscript getting lost again. Every facet of its production and printing was personally supervised by Wiley. When distribution began in 1929, it looked like a best seller. Books disappeared rapidly from bookstore shelves. Yet no letters were received from readers, no congratulations, no kudos, and virtually no reviews. The books kept on disappearing, yet copies could not be found anywhere.

In desperation, Dr. Wiley put the few remaining books in libraries around the country - they disappeared from libraries as quickly as they had vanished from the stores. Try your neighborhood library today and see if you can find a copy. It should surprise no one today that these things can happen, when the advertising budget for one food conglomerate is larger than the entire annual budget of the government agency charged with policing the industry.

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The Bureau of Chemistry was finally legally dismantled. In its place, the Food and Drug and Insecticide Administration, precursor of the Food and Drug Administration was established. The Poison Squad, that group of healthy young men on whom Dr. Wiley had tested proposed new food additives before allowing the foods to be turned loose on the public at large, was ultimately replaced by the FDA's GRAS (Generally Regarded as Safe) list - a list of food colorings, additives, and adulterants. Manufacturers and food processors were given carte blanche to use practically anything in its products until evidence turned up that it might be injurious to the public health. The whole intent of the Pure Food and Drug Laws had been turned on its head.

The Poison Squad was enlarged to include everybody in the country. Today, the GRAS list has become so lengthy that the average American ingests five pounds of chemical additives every year, together with approximately another fifty pounds of hidden sugar.

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Some years ago, PBS did a documentary on Wiley titled "The Poison Squad" which was really quite good with lots of archival footage.

@recklesswing . . . Huh? All previous Devuan themes are available in the repos and at https://git.devuan.org/devuan/documenta … t/graphics. If you want a dark mode DIY.  That's how I started theming many years ago . . .

@boughtonp . . . My question was rhetorical. I already knew what the answer would be. 

Sorry, I just don't see the point of duplicating information that is already available at:

bugs.devuan.org
devuan-dev mail list
DNG mail list
IRC channels
dev1galaxy forum

Anyone seriously interested in engaging with Devuan should monitor those sources. It is that simple.