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#601 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Browser for netbook running Devuan » 2023-07-30 17:30:16

I've been playing with an ASUS EEE this week, trying to figure out what software to use on it. There's an old Refracta Jessie on it that runs fine, but daedalus is slow. Anyway, I'm posting this from the firefox-esr I just installed after increasing my swapfile to 2G (same as the RAM). Scrolling is a little choppy, but it seems to be working ok. Only two tabs are open, so I'm not even using half my RAM. Youtube video is choppy, but the audio is smooth. I think the cpu is the limiting issue.

#602 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Browser for netbook running Devuan » 2023-07-30 12:37:00

I like links2 for lightweight graphical browsing. It makes the internet look like 1995, which I find very soothing.

#603 Re: Installation » Strange netinstall.iso behaviour » 2023-07-28 14:41:52

I've seen the disk order change when booting with usb in some cases such that what was /dev/sda when booting from internal drive is called some other device name in the installer.

#604 Re: Installation » Strange netinstall.iso behaviour » 2023-07-28 11:03:57

For some reason I had it in my head/was convinced that is was loading to RAM ...  8^°
I wonder where I got that from?

Live isos can boot the entire iso into RAM. That's an option in live-boot that isn't available in the installer isos. Add "toram" or maybe "toram=filesystem.squashfs" to the boot command for a live-usb and then it's not running from the usb stick. You could even remove the usb stick and keep running the system. Booting that way might allow you to install over the imaged usb, but then you have to get it right the first time or else start over with imaging the stick.

#605 Re: Devuan » How can I run another OS from a Devuan running from a live USB stick? » 2023-07-28 10:55:10

Adding something like this to the qemu command might help for some things:

-smp cores=2,threads=2

I don't know what else you could do. I do know that you could make it a lot slower by removing the '-enable-kvm' option.

The the system you're running is a debian-based live system, you could boot the whole iso to RAM and run from there. Booting will be slower but opening programs will be very fast. Add the word "toram" to the boot command or possibly add "toram=filsystem.squashfs" depending on how the usb stick is arranged.

#606 Re: Devuan » How can I run another OS from a Devuan running from a live USB stick? » 2023-07-27 16:56:36

Are you sure it's the network that's slow? I find the whole system to be slow inside a virtual machine.

#607 Re: Devuan » How can I run another OS from a Devuan running from a live USB stick? » 2023-07-26 10:54:25

I could never figure out how to use virt-manager, so I just use plain qemu. Something like this to boot the iso file from your hard drive...

qemu-system-x86_64 -enable-kvm -m 2048 -cdrom devuan_whatever.iso 

Change the 2048 to however much RAM you want to give it (in MB)

Edit: Fixed typo.

#608 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Bookworm -> Daedalus » 2023-07-23 15:51:12

Bookworm to Daedalus should be similar to the migration of Bullseye to Chimaera.
https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation … o-chimaera

Here's a script to do it for you or look at the code for clues about what issues might come up. This script has probably had very little testing with bookworm/daedalus, but it was modified from bullseye/daedalus.
https://git.devuan.org/farmatito/migration

Basic Daedalus sources.list

deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus main
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-updates main
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-security main

You could also look at some discussions on this forum about migrating from bullseye to chimaera. There are a few different approaches, and they don't all work for everyone.

*** Make sure you backup important files before you do this. ***

#609 Re: Devuan » How can I run another OS from a Devuan running from a live USB stick? » 2023-07-21 11:29:44

It's not clear what you want to accomplish.

1. If your usb stick is set up with a persistent volume to save changes in the live system, you can install qemu in it. If you don't have persistence set up, you would be better off making a new live-usb with a system that has qemu installed.

2. If you want to install qemu, it would be easier to install it from the devuan repo instead of compiling it from source.

3. Where is the other OS you want to boot? Are you planning to install it into a VM inside your live system? Is there a virtual hard disk with a system already on it?

Most of our packages are from debian, unchanged. That includes python3-venv.

#610 Re: Devuan » We need to big up Devuan Live » 2023-07-17 20:34:31

Applications Menu -> Multimedia -> Pulse Audio Volume Control (aka pavucontrol)

If you're not in XFCE, it's probably a slightly different path in the menu. If you still can't find it, open a terminal and run /usr/bin/pavucontrol

#611 Re: Installation » Install with Runit as the init » 2023-07-16 14:30:33

Sometimes an update or upgrade will fail if you happen to hit a mirror when it's updating itself. In this case, trying after a few minutes will fix it.

Please post your /etc/apt/sources.list to make sure it's correct.

#612 Re: Installation » Install with Runit as the init » 2023-07-15 19:06:43

dist-upgrade will include anything that upgrade would provide. I think the part you missed was changing "chimaera" to "daedalus" in /etc/apt/sources.list (and then update so the local system knows what packages are available in the new suite.)

#613 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Loss of on-hover response » 2023-07-15 11:14:31

Refracta isos have openssh-server installed; the devuan-live isos do not. That's why you can't ssh to the devuan box.

How did you start Thunderbird in a live session? It's not in the isos. Did you install it in the live session? If so, you may have run out of memory.

I went to www.cepher.net and looked inside. I'd say there's a problem with that website. Turning the pages of the book uses 213% of the cpu in a VM that has been allotted 2 cores. It didn't lock up, but it was acting like it was close to doing so.

#614 Re: Installation » Install with Runit as the init » 2023-07-15 10:41:31

Devuan 4 installed without incident, but dist-upgrade did nothing.

What does "did nothing" mean? How did you attempt to do the dist-upgrade? I did one the day before you tried, and it worked normally.

Something like this should work:
Change sources from chimaera to daedalus, then update and upgrade.

sed -i 's/chimaera/daedalus/g' /etc/apt/sources.list
apt update
apt upgrade
apt dist-upgrade

#615 Re: Devuan » Some Newbie Questions about Devuan on Desktop » 2023-07-13 21:58:28

I would need a GUI for SysVinit to show, start/stop services. Maybe even read some logs if a service fails.

Install sysv-rc-conf and run it (as root) in a terminal. Arrow keys to navigate, space bar to select/unselect and q to quit.

And while you're in that root terminal...

less /var/log/syslog

#616 Re: Installation » Install with Runit as the init » 2023-07-13 21:52:26

In debian/devuan, runit uses the sysvinit scripts by default, because there aren't run scripts for a lot of services. The gettys and a couple other things will use run scripts by default. Others are supplied by the runit-services package.

Note that there are some differences from void in the directories that are used for runit. I don't recall exactly what the differences are, but you'll figure it out.

Look for posts by Lorenzo on this forum for useful information. He's the debian maintainer for runit.

#617 Re: Installation » Install with Runit as the init » 2023-07-13 00:05:29

In the rc1 live isos, -updates and -security are already enabled in sources.list. Just update the sources and install runit-init. If you want to keep refractasnapshot and refractainstaller, then also install live-config-runit at the same time.

# apt update
# apt upgrade
# apt install runit-init live-config-runit

#618 Re: Devuan » questions about releases when debian released and devuan is rc2 » 2023-07-12 13:47:22

Ceres (Sid) never freezes, but the rate of new packages slows down right before a release. That's because everyone is working on finishing the next release. When it's released, then people start working on new packages again and the unstable branch gets faster changes.

#619 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Strange Firefox bug in Daedalus » 2023-07-11 15:21:38

apt remove gtk3-nocsd libgtk3-nocsd

Tested on desktop-live iso.

You have to remove libgtk3-nocsd. Just getting rid of the main package doesn't fix it.

#620 Re: Devuan Derivatives » gnuinos new ISO files in https://www.gnuinos.org/mirror/daedalus/live » 2023-06-25 14:09:43

For zoom, I use chromium browser. If you have a link to a zoom meeting, ignore all the suggestions to install zoom and scroll to the bottom of the page to enter the meeting in your web browser.

For skype, you need to use a third-party package (thanks, microsoft!). Use the package for the corresponding version of debian. (bullseye = chimaera, bookworm = daedalus)
Is skype not installable in gnuinos? I have no idea how the libre kernel handles that.

#622 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Installing with a separate /home partition » 2023-06-21 16:52:32

I didn't mention it, but another option is to use one of the installer isos instead of a live iso. The installer isos use the debian-installer (modified for devuan) that you may be more accustomed to. That one will let you select a partition for home and not format it, so you can re-use your files.

Either way, you should have all your files backed up somewhere before installing.

#623 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Installing with a separate /home partition » 2023-06-21 13:20:53

IMPORTANT!!!
The live installer does not know how to re-use an existing /home partition. You have to arrange it manually.
If you select an existing /home partition with the live installer, it will be formatted and you will lose your data.
(Exception is if you set the installer not to format any partitions, and you format all of them in advance, but even then, some of your desktop configs may get clobbered with the new versions.)

Install without choosing a separate partition for /home.
Then rename the new /home directory.
Make a new /home directory.
Edit /etc/fstab to mount the old home partition to the new /home directory.

You can do the above tasks while still in the live session or after rebooting into single user mode. If you need more specific directions, let us know what your partition layout looks like so we can use the correct device names.

#624 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] rsyslog, logrotate » 2023-06-18 19:23:13

If you installed from a live-iso, see if this file exists:

ls -l /usr/sbin/anacron.orig.anacron

If it does, run the following (as root): 

rm /usr/sbin/anacron
dpkg-divert --rename --remove /usr/sbin/anacron

#625 Re: Installation » post install: cdrom error - .iso image as a primary apt source » 2023-06-16 14:28:43

if it is possible to configure package management so as it first pulls packages requested by user from the install cd(s) and then only if not present or outdated downloads data from the central repository (mirrors)

It might be possible to do that by pinning online sources to lower priority than the file or dvd source. Then you would need to specify the online source with the -t option to get packages from there.

As time goes on, any packages you pull from online sources will be more likely to need newer versions of associated packages that are in the dvd source, so that the package in the dvd won't be installable.

I think another way to do it is to mount the iso file and add it as a cdrom source.

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