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#601 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Daedalus 5.0.0 desktop-live shutdown problem » 2024-03-01 19:25:32

Hello:

aluma wrote:

Turning off the TPM causes ...

Why am I not at all surprised?

aluma wrote:

... try it on a live image?

Well ...
That is exactly how I found out where the origin of my eons old problem may be:

... a problem with the Daedalus 5.0 desktop-live *.iso ...
aluma wrote:

If TPM were ...

I think that TPM is a POS shoehorned/forced half-cooked on equipment to eventually control how and with which OS it is used.
Think systemd, zeitgeist, and the rest of all that crap.

I have the feeling that sooner than later we will all have to start learning how to roll out our everything, so to speak.
LFS have quire a long headstart on eveyone else.

Having to enable TPM to be able to boot is ourageous.
Who was the AH who came up with that idea?

More important: just who does the fucking PC/server/etc. belong to?

When I get a moment to do it I'll burn a Debian Bookworm-Live and see if it behaves the same way.
If so, it is definitely TPM problem.

I have read that TPM is not precisely a standardised feature.
More like every OEM has their screwed up version of it.
With MS being the only one they want to keep happy to get their approval and a nice shiny sticker for their products.

Hmm ...
Sorry, forgot to take mi pill.

Best,

A.

Edit:

aluma wrote:

... build the kernel without its support.

I think there should be a way to bypass (kernel cmd line?) TPM, enabled or not in the BIOS.
Just like security=none, apparmor=0, nmi_watchdog=0, selinux=0  etc.

#602 Hardware & System Configuration » Daedalus 5.0.0 desktop-live shutdown problem » 2024-03-01 10:46:11

Altoid
Replies: 9

Hello:

I have come across a problem with the Daedalus 5.0 desktop-live *.iso which I expect (have not had time to confirm) would also be present in a regular HDD installation.

Background

Back in 12/2015 I purchased a second hand Sun Ultra 24 in excellent condition to run Linux on.
As it was sort of bare bones, in a few months I was able to fill it up with all the necessary hardware upgrades.
It has served me well.

As I recall, the first distribution I installed on it was Debian 9 and from the very start it exhibited a very annoying start up/shutdown problem which I won't go into to save space.

The gist of it can be seen here in a a 12/2018 contribution to a bug report at bugzilla.kernel.org.

Early on I was convinced that it was a due to a badly written BIOS as it was completely distribution agnostic.
eg: a bare bones TinyCore as well as a full blown Ubuntu suffered it

But the main problem was that it had proven impossible to both trace and reliably reproduce.
Eventually I became used to it and life went on.

Then, after ~ five years silence I received notification of a post at the bugzilla thread.
It seems that it could (?) shed some light on the bug and what was causing it.

TL;DR

Apparently the cause of the problem would reside in how the TPM 1.1/1.2 feature is written into the Ultra 24 BIOS.
I have always had TPM disabled and had no reason to enable it.

Enabling/or disabling it did not make any difference in the short time I tested doing so with my present Beowulf / backported kernel installation.

As I was testing the Daedalus-live *.iso, I discovered that if TPM was enabled, a shutdown failure would occurr every single time.
Disabling it would make the problem go away.

So now, with the Daedalus kernel, this bug can be reliably reproduced.

My Sun Ultra 24 is ca.2007 hardware and the last available BIOS (1.56) is from 01/2011 so I expect that the on-board 1.1/1.2 TPM thing it carries is probably as much a POS as the board's BIOS itself. 

I have the idea (?) that whatever bug within my mainboard's BIOS causes the shutdown failure *may* have been partly worked around in the Devuan Daedalus (kernel v. 6.1.38).

ie: the shutdown problem seems to be solved by disabling TPM in the BIOS.

So that is about it.
This is a rather obscure bug thas was not happening in a lot of hardware out there which is why has gone practically unreported for many years.
Maybe its time has come?  8^°

Unfortunately I won't be upgrading to Daedalus for some time so won't be able to report further till I do.

But feel free to ask for details.

Best,

A.

#603 Re: Other Issues » 2 CPU threads went offline and wont come back » 2024-02-20 14:18:22

Hello:

alphalpha wrote:

thx ...

You're welcome.

alphalpha wrote:

... no big deal for me ...

I see ...
Good to know.

Best,

A.

#604 Re: Off-topic » Is wayland out of the question for devuan? » 2024-02-20 11:56:43

Hello:

recklessswing wrote:

Wayland is buggy as hell since release ...

From what I have read on-line, this seems to have been general opinion from the start, then morphed into common knowledge.

Which begs the question: why bother with it al all?

I have been using X-Server from when I installed my first Linux many years ago.
Never had an issue that could not be diagnosed with the /var/log/Xorg.0.log printout and proper research, to be later solved with judicious editing of the /etc/X11xorg.conf.

The same perfectly working *.conf has been in use (with virtually the same three/four monitor setup) through no less than four different distributions and multiple Devuan dist-upgrades. All that since mid 2018 (IIRC).

But I digress.
Have a read here.

probonopd wrote:

Wayland solves no issues I have but breaks almost everything I need. Even the most basic, most simple things (like xkill) - in this case with no obvious replacement. And usually it stays broken, because the Wayland folks mostly seem to care about Automotive, Gnome, maybe KDE - and alienating everyone else (e.g., people using just an X11 window manager or something like GNUstep) in the process.

Wayland proponents make it seem like Wayland is "the successor" of Xorg, when in fact it is not. It is merely an incompatible alternative, and not even one that has (nor wants to have) feature parity (missing features). And unlike X11 (the X Window System), Wayland protocol designers actively avoid the concept of "windows" (making up incomprehensible words like "xdg_toplevel" instead).

Best,

A.

#605 Re: Other Issues » 2 CPU threads went offline and wont come back » 2024-02-18 20:13:47

Hello:

alphalpha wrote:

with the live cd, chcpu -r still does not work

Makes sense ...

chcpu -r
chcpu: This system does not support rescanning of CPUs

... it appears to be a system limitation.

But this ...

chcpu -e 2
chcpu: CPU 2 enable failed: Operation not permitted

... is a "no you cannot do that" reply.

The question is why the difference between live cd and local.

Please post your local and live cd system's printout for this:

~$ cat /proc/cmdline

and this:

~$ cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/online 
~$ cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu2/online
~$ cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu3/online

Best,

A.

#606 Re: Other Issues » 2 CPU threads went offline and wont come back » 2024-02-18 17:37:05

Hello:

... system does not support rescanning of CPUs

Hmm ...
Yes, that is what I get with my Intel Quad Q9550.

But what do you get when you do chcpu -r with the live CD?

and ...

What does uname -a get you with your local configuration and then with the live cd?

Best,

A.

#607 Re: Other Issues » 2 CPU threads went offline and wont come back » 2024-02-18 17:23:46

Hello:

alphaalpha wrote:

... since it works with a live cd.

At fist glance, it would seem (to me) that your local config is doing something (?) that the live cd is not doing.
Hence the difference in behaviour.

See here.

Use the chcpu command or the online sysfs attribute of a logical CPU to set a CPU online or offline.

Before you begin
   - Daemon processes like cpuplugd can change the state of any CPU at any time.     Such changes can interfere with manual changes.

You may want to consider following the procedure outlined in the linked page and see what gives.

That said, consider that cpu0 will always be on-line.
Check this and see what you get:

~$ cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/online # <- 0 means off-line | 1 means on-line 
~$ cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu2/online
~$ cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu3/online

HTH.

Best,

A.

#608 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] app wants libxalan-c » 2024-02-18 11:14:13

Hello:

HunkyDory wrote:

Thanks ...

You're welcome.
Please let us know how you fared with this.

Best,

A.

#609 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] app wants libxalan-c » 2024-02-17 22:38:24

Hello:

HunkyDory wrote:

... complains that there is no libxalan-c

See here for the available libxalan-c packages in Devuan.

I'd be wary of installing packages from outside the official repositories but if all dependencies are properly met, you may not run into any issues.

Best,

A.

#610 Re: Other Issues » Clear logs » 2024-02-17 14:58:08

Hello:

aluma wrote:

... replace cron and logrotate?

Don't think so.
I certainly won't, find them both to be quite useful.

... has the number of rewrites become smaller ...

Can't really say.
If it has, I think that it may probably be by a relatively insignificant amount.

That said, there's always fstrim running with cron.weekly.
And /var/log/trim.log to check and see that it is working properly.

No need to logrotate it.
Started 01/04/2021 and it is only 600 lines long / 30K.

Best,

A.

#611 Re: Other Issues » Clear logs » 2024-02-17 11:30:05

GlennW wrote:

Not too sure about the date and time stamp.

See here.

Best,

A.

#612 Re: Other Issues » Modem throws CME ERROR 50 (incorrect parameters) on ATH1 » 2024-02-16 20:48:57

Hello:

TCH wrote:

... thank you ...

You're welcome.

TCH wrote:

I'll update the topic ...

Please do.
From what I have seen on-line, what you want to do is not and has not ever been a straightforward affaire, so your update will be useful to have. 

... brother will be very happy ...

Indeed ...
I (and a great many here) can easily relate to that.

Best,

A.

#613 Re: Other Issues » Modem throws CME ERROR 50 (incorrect parameters) on ATH1 » 2024-02-16 16:36:34

Hello:

TCH wrote:

... just bought some USB modems from the net, not from the telcos; you say they also might block voice via the SIM?

It could well be.
The USB modem need to have the right firmware, matched to what services the telco offers through the SIM they sell you.

But, like I said, I've never used them.
You may need to check with the USB modem's OEM and also ask the telco issuing your SIM.

If USB modems do not support phone calls en generique ...

Again, cannot say.
I just found that bit of information and relayed it.

In my opinion, your best bet is to check with the telco/provider.
Sorry I cannot be of more help.

But please do let us know how you fared with this.
I'm sure it will be useful to someone further on.

Best,

A.

#614 Re: Other Issues » Modem throws CME ERROR 50 (incorrect parameters) on ATH1 » 2024-02-16 13:24:04

Hello:

TCH wrote:

By "this model" you mean 3372 ...

No.
My apologies for the confusion.  8^°

When I say "... only seen these once, long ago ... " I am referring to these type of modems.
ie: cellular network based USB modems using SIM chips as opposed to land line modems using copper.

My comment with respect to the 14.4 USR Sportster dial-up modem (a ca. 1994 a land line modem) was only to illustrate your present situation.
ie: the fact that the issues you are having seem to be the same ones I had over 30 years ago.
And how much many things have not changed.

TCH wrote:

... get another modem anyway ...

Before purchasing another one of these modems, you may want to consider getting in touch with the telco that will actually provide the cellular phone service for you and ask them if they can provide voice service with a USB modem+SIM chip or not and and if so, if they offer one or can suggest a brand/model.

Bear in mind that different telcos may offer different services/options/rates.
eg: a telco may offer voice and (maybe) tethering with a cellphone/smartphone but only data (and not voice) with a USB modem.

Also bear in mind that different telcos may offer different services/options/rates.

If they do, get the brand/model/etc. and try to find out all you can about it before you purchase it.
Specifically any on-line reports/reviews that can give you some information on how to get it to work reliably under Linux.

Edit

Forgot to add this, cannot say how acccurate this information is:

mk24 @openwrt.org wrote:

Nov '20

USB modems generally don't support phone calls. Also the carrier plans sold for modems don't allow phone calls (Every SIM has a phone number, but actually calling it is blocked.)

As for using a smartphone as a modem, I don't think that phones have any built in API to make phone calls through the USB port. Maybe an app could do that.

Texting used to be possible with AT commands on a dumb phone, never looked at it on a smartphone.

Best,

A.

#615 Re: Other Issues » Modem throws CME ERROR 50 (incorrect parameters) on ATH1 » 2024-02-15 23:49:37

Hello:

TCH wrote:

Perhaps because of voice status?

I really could not say, I have only seen these once, long ago and on a friend's laptop, also with connectivity issues.

That said, a couple of the links I posted are from long ago and another from 2023.
So it would seem that that the problems you are having have been going on for the longest while but it also means that there may be more information out there.

I recall going through hell (ca. 1994) with a 14.4 USR Sportster dial-up modem and the undocumented AT commands I had to search for all over to get it to work properly, obviously not with today's web.

Not to mention the ridiculous amount of cash I had to pony up because of the endless amount of dropped dial-up calls caused (in this model) by a defective chip.

Best,

A.

#616 Re: Other Issues » Modem throws CME ERROR 50 (incorrect parameters) on ATH1 » 2024-02-15 20:39:52

Hello:

aluma wrote:

... the operator blocks such a function via a SIM card, etc.

Indeed ...
Similar to what happened when attempting to use my trusty Motorola StarTAC to reach my ISP via a serial dongle/PCMCIA 33.6kbit modem combo on my HP 200LX palmtop.

It worked* but ...   The local carrier was not having any of that sorcery when they could charge you a hefty extra for 'data' transmission.
* the modem would start the handshake, negotiate a speed but drop the line right before connection.

But I digress.

@TCH:
Check these links, I think they may have some answers for you.

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/163 … sb-dongles
https://unix.stackexchange.com/question … gsm-modems
https://bochinche.github.io/it/linux/hu … mands.html

Best,

A.

#617 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » wasted $ on multi function keyboard and mouse » 2024-02-14 21:22:06

Hello:

GlennW wrote:

... mostly useless with GNU/Linux ...

Happens ...

For Linux users, it is good practice and healthy for their billfold to avoid getting carried away with some apparently novel hardware, especially input hardware.
ie: keyboards/mice/touchpads/cameras

A constant example of this are the 'feature' buttons in some netbooks/laptops that, without the proper divers/modules, are mostly useless.
Even then, after a while the drivers/modules stop being maintained or supported and a kernel upgrade sends their usability down the loo.
An example I have at hand is my trusty ca.2009 Asus 1000HE and its hotkeys once supported in the Linux kernel.

The good practise I refer to above is best exercised before putting down the cash on the countertop.
ie: doing the due diligence and ascertaining that the device in question is Linux compatible and then checking in on-line fora if such claim is indeed true.

Bear in mind that most (if not all) that type of hardware is thought for and destined to MS Windows users, not the likes of us.

That said, after trying a great many known brand keyboards, in both MS and Linux environments, I ended up late in life with one of the first keyboards I ever used: a ca. 1995 IBM Type 'M' keyboard made by Lexmark.

I purchased it second (third/fourth?) hand, absolutely filthy but in good working order and with no missing kcaps.
After a very thorough cleaning plus the mandatory DIN/USB adapter graft it has been happily clicking away on my desk for the last 4 years or so.

It will surely outlast me.

Best,

A.

#618 Re: Installation » Installing from src and apt » 2024-02-13 18:33:51

Hello:

aluma wrote:

... apologize if I accidentally ...

No apologies needed.
None whatsoever.

aluma wrote:

... scratched you ...

No scratches registered either. 
All's well ...

I was just taking the piss.  8^°

But we are far from the original thread subject now.
So just to clarify.

aluma wrote:

... downloaded these packages and installed them in my Daedalus.

One WiCD package (1.7.4+tb2-6+devuan1.1) uses python-wicd and should work if you have python 2.7.16-1 installed.
Another WiCD package (1.7.4+tb2-6+devuan2) is the one that I previously referred to, the transitional package.

With respect to the other WiCD package (1.7.4+tb2+2019.09.18git2e0ba579-1) the changelog.Debian file reads:

changelog.Debian wrote:

[ Axel Beckert ]
--- snip ---
  * Replace versioned python build-dependency with an unversioned
    build-dependency on python2.
--- snip ---
* Package git snapshot to test the port to Python 3. (Closes: #938823)
--- snip ---
    + Change (build-) dependencies to python3 variants.
    + Switch from python-gobject-2 to python3-gi.
    + Rename python-wicd to python3-wicd.
--- snip ---
  * Disable test suite while Python 3 port is still incomplete.
--- snip ---

If it actually runs in Deadalus, it will be as any software running on unstable, prone to have problems.

aluma wrote:

... stopped the network-manager service, started the wicd service ...

The WiCD package (1.7.4+tb2-6+devuan2) actually starts whatever you have decided to install (ie: network-manager-gnome | network-manager, etc.), so stopping it and starting WiCD would start the transitioned package again.

No matter, I still have time to think up something else.

Thanks for your input.

Best,

A.

#619 Re: Installation » Installing from src and apt » 2024-02-13 16:32:17

Hello:

aluma wrote:

Since the guy didn’t deign to answer the question ...

Let me see ....
Yes, although it was not pertinent to the original subject matter, I did answer the question.

the guy wrote:

I'll have to see about something else.
But not Network-Manager.

See?
Now, just to settle the confusion and nothing more:

aluma wrote:

Have a look here.

As you can see that package is WiCD only by name.

It is just a transitional package that works as a front end to any one of its listed dependencies:
ie: network-manager-gnome | network-manager | connman-gtk | cmst | connman-ui

From the README.Devuan file:

Wicd was removed from Debian Bullseye as it requires python 2.
This transitional package ensures that users upgrading from Devuan Beowulf get an alternative network manager installed. It can safely be removed.

That said, it seems that Debian had a Python 3 version of WiCD in its experimental repository accepted in late 2019.

changelog.Debian wrote:

wicd (1.7.4+tb2+2019.09.18git2e0ba579-1) experimental; urgency=low
Upload to experimental to get a broader testing base of the python3 port and the dhcpcd5 changes.
Not yet fully functional again.  # <+
--- snip ---

But it has not had any attention paid to it since then and something tells me that it will remain so.

Thanks for your input.

TG.

#620 Re: Installation » Installing from src and apt » 2024-02-12 14:14:30

Hello:

pcalvert wrote:

There is a better solution ...

Indeed ...
Could be.

I have not used WiFi in my box for the longest while now, only with my Asus 1000HE when there is some issue with my telco's ADSL and I get to borrow my next door neighbour's WiFi to check something.

Like many here, I have used WiCD for quite a few years now, quickly became second nature to do so.
Its main feature being that it is light, fast and, in all hese years, it always worked properly and never caused me the sort of grief I read about with other connection managers.

Not using WiFi in my box, maybe I should resort to something even simpler, such as a CLI start/stop connection
I recall a couple of frequent posters (not seen for a while now) speaking wonders of that approach.

I'll have to think about it.

Thanks for your input.

Best regards,

A.

#621 Re: Installation » Installing from src and apt » 2024-02-12 13:59:59

Hello:

steve_v wrote:

If it's already in unstable, 99% of the work is done ...

Right ...

Another possible solution.
I'll have a look at that one too.

Thanks a lot for your input.

Best,

A.

#622 Re: Installation » Installing from src and apt » 2024-02-12 13:57:27

Hello:

golinux wrote:

... many years ago even I built a package

Hmm ...
Don't sell your self short ...  8^P

Thanks for the heads up.
I'll have a look at it.

Best,

A.

#623 Re: Installation » Daedelus install on Lenovo T480 boots, locks up. » 2024-02-12 10:17:50

Hello:

Thank you ...

You're welcome.

... copied the partition to the laptop and booted it.
I installed both XFCE and KDE but it boots into KDE ...

I'd say completely remove KDE.
But cannot say much beyond that as I have never installed it, much less along another desktop.

Someone else here may have a suggestion on how to do that properly.

Best,

A.

#624 Re: Installation » Daedelus install on Lenovo T480 boots, locks up. » 2024-02-10 22:53:48

Hello:

No need to purge xfce4.
Just the xfce4-power-manager package which is (apparently) an important part of the problem you are having. 

But before we continue, please add the necessary 'code' tags so that the printouts can be seen as code.
ie: white lettering on black background.

It is easier to see and analyse that way.

Like this:

[code]
Like this ...
[/code]

You can do it manually or select/paint the text and click on the |code block| section.

Thanks.

A.

#625 Re: Installation » Installing from src and apt » 2024-02-10 19:58:16

Hello:

aluma wrote:

... Beowulf support will end in 3 months and then what?

Good question.

I first came across Network-Manager long ago, when I moved around looking for a distribution that I felt comfortable with.
From what I have read on the forum lately, it seems it has only gotten worse.

Unfortunately, WiCD has been in abandoned state for the last 12 years or so.
There have been timid attempts to do something but without any result, like if it was a curse.

I'll have to see about something else.
But not Network-Manager.

aluma wrote:

... ark archiver in TDE and KDE5 ...

So does xarchiver, it was a question of being able to 'Compress ...' from the PCManFM drop down menu and add a password just like you could do it when opening the application directly.

All it took was a suggestion to the maintainer who very rapidly acted on what he (also) thought was a good idea* and that was it.
* instead of replying something to the effect of why don't you do it yourself.   

Thanks for your input.

Best,

A.

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