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Perhaps. Personally I suspect that the "future of linux" (at least as far as the big players go) is that systemd + containers + snap/flatpack/appimage/whatever-silly-packaging-system-is-easy-for-proprietary-devs is going to take over. That's what corporate interests are pushing for, and many "open source" orgs are already thoroughly compromised.
Once this happens, a "distro" will just be cosmetic configuration on top of systemd + gnome. Big-tech will have successfully eliminated the independent maintainer, replaced all the critical GPL system infrastructure with LGPL systemd, and undermined Free Software to the point that the remaining old-school hackers will have to return to whatever holdout distros remain - which probably means Slackware, Gentoo, and maybe Devuan*... Or move to BSD.
Yes, it's a pessimistic prediction, and I do hope I'm wrong. It sure looks like "embrace, extend, extinguish" is in full swing though, and right now I'd say we're well into step 2. Even Microsoft has realised that they can't fight FLOSS directly, and they've been buying out projects and developers all over the place. Soon most of the important components of GNU/Linux will be open-source community efforts in name alone. It's not a bazaar any more if all the stalls are franchisees.
*Devuan is great and all, but we're still heavily dependent on upstream Debian... These days I don't trust the Debian devs to resist the smell of money any more than Redhat.
That is, of course, the other path that is equally viable and in fact probable. I too share your pessimism but I am always looking for the glimmer of hope. I havent failed to notice the greed of the major linux players. I am just hoping that the non-systemd distros arent forced into submission by some means.
Debian has already gone under in my opinion. The thing is, I remember when the puritanism of the debian devs put me off and now theyve all slid into the fiery pit and that puts me off too.
Are you aware of this absolute gem of a post
https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/8/12/459
for me, this is like your post but a more venomous attack on systemd
by venomous, I mean, nobody who reads it can deny the strength of the attack and yet the hope it displays, it's like reading
the works of a revolutionary that has a base camp in a jungle somewhere, and is playing the long game
It's a lengthy attack on systemd from 2014 and says in part
Debian has always held the line against this kind of thing in the past,
and has always earned my utmost respect and loyalty for their
integrity. Debian's decision here was as a hand forced. Debian has made
a grave and cowardly mistake here, and they need a course correction
immediately. Incorporating systemd was not an intelligent choice, and
certainly not one very well considered. Debian must reject systemd and
its ilk, and restore itself to the values that got Linux to this
point in history, in no small part *led* by Debian. They must loudly and
publicly divorce themselves from GNOME, however painful and upsetting
that may seem
Devuan
Brave web browser
terminal emulator
apt
thunar
tint2
synaptic
thunderbird
lightdm
GIMP
mousepad
geany
Thanks for the welcome
Yeah I never was a big fan of Ockham
In this minute that you post, what music are you listening to?
I am listening to the stream on uzic.ch
a minimal techno - tech house - and dark-minimal internet radio station
Back in the mid-90s, when I was just starting out with Linux, I used to experiment a lot and mess it all up.
Not knowing any other options at the time, I did A LOT of complete re-installng and re-configuring.
Over time, I messed up fewer and fewer things, so I didn't need to re-install very often.
I miss them days, I REALLY do
sometimes, and this is no exaggeration, I would go 96 hours without sleep just to learn stuff. I was so excited about it
Sorry I hadn't realised there was a place to introduce oneself to the rest of the board
and have made a few posts before I realised this would be a good place to say hello.
So to introduce myself:
I have been using Linux since about 1997 but still think that, compared to a lot of linux devotees, I'm a bit of a noob
I can install configure, maintain and troubleshoot linux really well on my own systems, and those I create for other people,
but in forums, etc, I am always astounded, genuinely in awe of, just how many people know so much more about succinct ways to do things
than I do.
I feel competent and I feel confident about linux but, wow, some of these devs and other users are the rocket science of linux.
I suppose you can think of me as a sys admin. I have a company (I'm the only employee) that helps small to medium sized
businesses by installing, maintaining, and troubleshooting linux servers.
I have a genuine interest in learning more and more.
Suffice to say my motto in life is something reading the words of Wittgenstein taught me.
Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must remain silent
I finished my degree about 25 years ago.(Anglo-American Analytic philosophy (basically the study of logic as applied to language and science)) Before I did that degree I absolutely loved reading books but, man, I read so much, I...just read too much... that degree killed my whole enjoyment of reading for pleasure or intellectual stimulation. these days I can only read technical manuals. So I have been going over some old stuff and am reading one of the O'Reilly books "Linux Network Servers"
Hello:
a feature called system extension images, designed to allow system files to be added, or appear to be added, even on read-only file systems.
I read about this and, although the systemd people themselves say, "Don't think of this as a flatpack system orcontainer system"
I can't help thinking it is a container system that can be implemented on a users system against their wishes
a bit like how windows updates are forced on people
Have I got hold of the wrong end of the stick on this?
Am I wrong?
Lately I have been noticing a lot that distributions such as redhat and suse and many others
not only offer packaged applications for their own distro, but also for a variety of other distributions.
Then I happened to see a site for bedrock Linux, which is not, in and of itself, a distribution,
but rather a way to combine distributions, or the elements that you like from a distribution.
I am seeing things I never expected to see even 18 months ago. I was looking at it like,
oh systemd is eating every distro alive what are we going to do, but then I realised the opposite is also
true and that choice is beginning to be made available in very unusual ways.
Look at this, for example, and please dont misunderstand me:
I am not advocating people should use bedrock, but also I am not saying you shouldnt.
I'm just saying it exists. Please also, forgive me if I have this bit wrong because I havent gone very deep into it, at all.
I think bedrock installs itself on top of a distribution (Devuan, for example)
and when you configure it you can add, let's say,
the package manager from VOID Linux to run alongside the package manager from Devuan
and then have wayland instead of Xorg etc etc etc
So my question is:
Is the future of linux going to be about choosing a base distro and adding on top of it features from other
distro's . Is it going to be less about choosing a distro based on an ideology rather than choosing a distro because
the developers and maintainers want you to have much more choice.
You see, the second I saw Devuan offered me a choice of 3 init systems that too was part of what I was seeing
I knew then I would love Devuan
I thought it would be nice to write a how-to on installing lightdm-webkit2-greeter.
Lightdm is a fairly nice greeter, in many respects, but its gtk login interface can look a bit... clunky.
Much nicer is the lightdm webkit2 greeter, which allows a web interface to log users in. Basically, with a bit of html and a bit of javascript you can make your login page look exactly how you want it to look, or you can add other people's themes to your installation.
For brevity, I am going to assume you know how to install and configure a greeter that you can find in the repo's, so that you can install lightdm, via apt, or maybe synaptic, and at the prompt switch from your old display manager to lightdm. If not, a quick search will show you how to do that.
1) install light dm - configure it to be the default display manager
2) now go to
https://software.opensuse.org/download.html?project=home:antergos&package=lightdm-webkit2-greeter
3) download the debian package
4) open a terminal and switch to the directory the .deb package is in
5) open the package with
sudo dpkg --install lightdm-webkit2-greeter_2.2.5-1+15.8_amd64.deb
(obviously your filename might be different because of version numbers)
all being well, lightdm webkit2 should now be installed
7) open the file
/etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
8) find the entry called greeter-session=
uncomment it and make it say
greeter-session=lightdm-webkit2-greeter
9) save the file and reboot - If anything goes wrong at this point before you see a login greeter
see the step I labelled "the bad thing". Do not panic. it is a simple matter to recover
10) All being well you should see a nice login prompt but read on, please
11) IMPORTANT ! When you first change and use one of the themes make sure that when logging in you select the correct session. You will only need to select the session once whenever you use a new theme. Failure to do so will cause a prompt to ask if you want to use a fallback theme or default theme
if that is the case then choose the fallback theme, log on, then logout and select the session and log back in
the bad thing)
if, for some unlikely reason you do not reach the webkit login prompt then it will either fallback to lightdm or drop you at a terminal login prompt where you can login as root and start a session manually then open
/etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
comment the greeter-session entry and reboot it will then start normal lightdm and you can work out what you did wrong
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so now go and find themes and follow the instructions the theme providers give, or find a manual on how to create your own theme
Not only does lightdm work but today I got lightdm-webkit2-greeter working and have a nice fancy login screen.
I must write down how I got that working and the problems I solved, just incase anyone else wants to try it.