@steve_e yes but I am not patient enough nor skilled enough to rebuild it all myself.

Also, my voice alone would not accomplish anything, for government change or corporate change.

The only thing I can really do is try to open eyes or resist that which is ugly and unneeded.

I am not against having more packages, I am merely against automatically assuming everyone should have to have dependencies that aren't necessary,

Ie, required dependencies should only be for packages that actually need them, not packages that optionally use them or need them.

But yeah, saying all this here probably won't change much. Its futility unless enough people wake up though in general.

But I do agree, partially with you. It would be too much work for devuan developers to fix these problems in devuan... well at least without becoming an independent distro anyhow but I don't expect that until all other options become invalid/unworkable.

The bare minimum line should be making all libraries optional for those dependencies I mentioed, the linux frameworks or at least have an option to make them optional.

But this has gotten tedious this comment thread.

@ralph.ronnquist

dbus, systemd, network-manager, pulseaudio, pipewire, wayland, avahi, java and their libraries being completely OPTIONAL is the only way I would think that devuan could meet that standard of what I would desire.

Aka, not needing those packages + their libraries would be my criteria.

If that cannot be reached, then it is mostly futile.

As for specific packages, those are the system ones that prevent a minimal devuan install but specifically which are okay in my book?

I cannot say completely, because I would have to wade through devuan to find them. It would be very tricky to specify them all given Devuan has 50K+ packages.

Probably less than 10K of them would fit my bill.

In any case, I am not sure what you meant by meeting a minimal system design.

My criteria are probably impossible for devuan unless signifiant changes were made.

And no i don't expect them to be met. This isn't for the faint of heart after all.

Why did a Microsoft employee get fired from Microsoft?

Because when he was working, he was working on wine.

@jue-gen I had a feeling this was not going to affect devuan. Its awesome to know I was right.

I looked into the vulnerability and saw it used systemd. And devuan blocks that crap as much as possible, so I figured it wouldn't have any affect.

@jwm-kit I replied back, I just wanted an option to make it so you could only unlock if you used your password or rebooted. Not sysrq, switching terminals like alt control f2-f9 and well you get the idea and disable alt control  backspace for escaping lock too. again without bash if possible. Or be willing to port it for HyperbolaBSD in such a way.

@golinux fun fact if you look up useless things, you will find the following:
qanon
fascism
the kkk
climate change denial
conspiracy nuts like alex jones, etc...

@jwmkit I sent you an email regarding something recently.

But just in case you missed it:

https://codeberg.org/phranz/pactions

I wanted to know if you could make jwmkit_logout, to have these options built in to it:

disable crtl-alt-backspace
disable sysrq
disable vt-switching
lockscreen

you already have these:

logout, suspend, shutdown, poweroff

But I wondered if you could make those possible.

Also, if you don't want to make that a default, even if you could make that optional, that would be awesome.

This script I referenced uses yad. 

Or if this all sounds too complicated, can you modify that script to make it work in Hyperbola with any type of shell, not just bash, not require sudo, etc...

@mrnhmath fair enough, but yeah, I agree with unixman1230

@aluma funny thing is, its silent right now. Which is rare. It tends to happen when the computer is idle for a short while I think or is doing alot.

Although, its usually not this quiet.

@siva I guess I could do that, not sure how, but its worth a try.

@stargate-sg1-cheyenne-mtn

Hmm... not so simple then

a bunch of tombs walk into a bar each carrying graphic novels and being covered in blood so the bartender says

So you guys once carried dead serial killers I take it...