Alex Kemp - thank you. That is all i ever need  is an example and i am off to the races  . .  for everything now, not just firefox.  This obviously is a methodology that will work with all the hidden corners of Devuan.  Synaptic just doesn't cover the optional stuff.
Many thanks.

Stop Ai  -  I love your moniker. . . I know   what you mean. I have always noticed a snappy ESR and a sometimes lag in the others. but to be fair i have used both the regular Firefox and the nightly for about 20 years now and they have a lot of baggage to account for. But I am happy to not be so quick on the draw as a tradeoff for having all my extensions ( 35 of them ) and bookmarks just there at all times.   I am a folder freak.

Interesting what you say about Wayland and sway on ESR.  But ESR has never had as much flexibility under the hood. So are you saying that in Daedalus it is still a problem ?  I have had no problem in  Chimaera.  which is where i am stuck until Daedalus resolves stupid stuff around D E not launching at tty7on fresh install.

As far as Wayland, yeah  . . . it took 10 years for me to finally give up on Kali and Manjaro for that same reason. Sysd and Wayland never cut the mustard and Compositor was always an issue that nev. was always re-installing after some random break that built up over time.  but part of that was KDE driven issues. I find  LXQt  much better and that is my Devuan default these days with KDE 2nd.   Xfce and Mate really just don't cut it because they are going the Gnome-bias way and i really think it is time for Cannonical to just take Gnome over.  or Fedora- RedHat.   Nuff said.  I am happy to have less snappiness in exchange for pleasing graphics, etc of the QT KDE variety. Love KDE cosmetics, and their suite of mainstay software gets better all the Time.

I must admit i am also a huge Thunderbird user.   Actually backs up 12 different emails with relative grace.

But i was also on earthlink  dial-up with Navigator  on Windows in the 90's -- always felt there had to be a bertter way than Windows.

And everyone here who contributes to the body of  Linux knowledge proves it every day.

Thanks again.

A

I would imagine that this release info is relevant in some way - but why has no one else had an issue over this like i have ?
And since Devuan now incorporateswhatever relevant repos from Debian 12 then now there are involved, there might be a chance for some screw-up in the translation, BUT
No one else is having this problem ( at least that has not been resolved ):
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- Introduction
- New in this Release
     + Rootless startx uses libseat1
     + Sway (wayland) GUI without elogind

xserver-xorg-core now uses libseat1 to control rootless startx and access to
input and video devices. This has several advantages, the most significant being
that it removes the dbus dependency from xserver-xorg-core.

libseat1 can use either seatd or elogind as a
backend. If you need to override the default choice (autodiscovery), use the
LIBSEAT_BACKEND environment variable.

If you are using seatd as the backend, ensure the user is a member of the video group.

This is only relevant to running startx as a user, xorg run as root by a display
manager is unaffected.

### Wayland GUI without elogind

Users can now enjoy a wayland desktop without elogind by installing
libpam-ck-connector, sway and seatd.

Ensure the relevant user is a member of the `video` group and run sway from
the terminal.
. . . . . .. . . .

OH yes and tasksel shows a pop-up selector but does not execute anything - no response from the mouse-click.

Nahkhiirmees  so what you are saying is that i should just AVOID Startx yes ?

GlenW  comments:
I AM able to see entire entries on my big monitor. 

When you do get to a tty, have you seen any errors about seatd? Because I found with a clean install seatd was not installed and the sddm would fail to show up and startx would not work either.

Once I installed seatd everything worked again. This was with kde/plasma desktop.

One other thing that may help... add console=tty12 to your grub line... I also add vga=794 to make the font smaller in-case the video module hasn't started, just makes it readable, for me. And may give more clues when it won't start properly.
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## No such error but i called it up and it was not installed so i installed it and system seemed to like it and IT DID advance the boot to a clean login position instead of having to fight through  paragraphs, so THANK YOU Glen . . 

## Here  are my notes on the more-obvious anomalies --  from phone pic of visible text at rest awaiting login:

/run/lock : creating directory
/run/lock : correcting owner    ( but later on at the end it remarks about being locked out of some access and failure to locate server [ which i will reference below ]
er,bin (-2)
     nouveau firmware failed to load nvidia drivers  ( but i see this often  across other OS )
        firmware : failed to load  i915/kbl_dmc_ver1.04
       nouveau : DRM: failed to create kernel channel, -22

## ALSA  warning runtime restore failed with errors

## Setting up  X  socket  directories seemed to be ok in temp files

## Seatd started
## slim started

## AFTER I introduced seatd then X proceeded  to login   [ Small victories , GlenW ]

E:  Could not open olock file  /var/lib/dpkg/lock-fronted - open ( 13: permission denied )
E:  Unable to acquire the dkg fronted lock ( var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend),   ( are you root )

## When i run in root it still does not .. just x-sever error - besides cannot boot and stay in root - that is a big no no right ?

Still cannot access a desktop  in root either