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#1 Re: Off-topic » Freedombox is on the list of banned packages, what to do? » 2023-03-16 04:58:57

Ya know what? I *was* gonna go on a much longer rant, but after multiple hours of contemplation finally decided not to waste the bytes or my breath. It was already becoming apparent before, but this thread is the straw that broke the camel's back, and made me come to the painful realization that I just do not jibe well with Devuan's culture, and probably never will. My efforts are better spent downstream with those more like myself.  So, rather than make a nuisance of myself, or go the way of blackhole and try to fight with the administrative powers that be, I am just going to see myself out of this group peacefully and quietly and not bring forth any more conflict.

Anything I made for this distro will remain open for anyone who wants to fork and maintain them, but I will no longer maintain them myself.

Have fun fellas, wish you the best of luck.

#2 Re: Off-topic » Freedombox is on the list of banned packages, what to do? » 2023-03-15 23:01:20

ralph.ronnquist wrote:

I wonder where the kids recently have got the idea that previous posts need to be included in their forum posts?

Is it an attention span thingy, maybe?

Anyhow, this is off topic.....

As demonstrated here, it's not an attention span thingy, it's just nice to know what (or who) we are responding to wink

Now, if we're done being petty, does anyone have any ideas for this Freedombox situation?

#3 Re: Off-topic » Freedombox is on the list of banned packages, what to do? » 2023-03-15 13:15:50

boughtonp wrote:

It took me a few reads of your message to see that you mentioned cockpit-ws - the part of FreedomBox which is the problem. That information should be more obvious, along with some relevant links for those unfamiliar.

FreedomBox (a home server kit from Eben Moglen that packages a bunch of web-focused software running on Debian), uses the Cockpit server administration tool, which heavily uses systemd - not surprising given it is sponsored by RedHat.

Given that, fixing Cockpit not to use systemd is unlikely to be a viable path - which means providing an alternative.

Does FreedomBox entirely rely on Cockpit? i.e. if one satisfies dependencies with a dummy cockpit package does it fail, or does FreedomBox still install and run, merely without the HTTP based login part?

If the latter, it shouldn't be too difficult to build an alternative login option - the hard part may be convincing the freedombox package maintainers to accept the alternative dependency.

However, if FreedomBox is too tightly coupled to Cockpit, then it probably involves a fair bit more time and effort...

Dummy packages will get it to install, but without systemd to start the web services freedombox will not even start. Sooo....yeah, I'd say it's pretty tightly coupled with Cockpit

#4 Off-topic » Freedombox is on the list of banned packages, what to do? » 2023-03-14 13:43:13

Replies: 9

Title says it all, Freedombox is a banned package since one of it's components has a deeply entrenched dependency on systemd. So I'm just asking for ideas from everyone on what we could potentially do for Devuan, considering Freedombox is one of Debian's major (And among some groups, one of the most coveted) blends, that we are now unable to run. I have tried to patch cockpit-ws, to no avail. It's deeply intertwined with systemd services and systemd pam bits. So if anyone has suggestions as to what alternatives or solutions we can explore, please by all means talk about them here.

#5 Re: Off-topic » Dinit package for Debian (and Devuan) » 2023-03-11 21:37:57

so, what stops it from having files to boot in Debian? Also, does it understand SysV scripts? I'm curious.

#6 Re: Off-topic » Got another troll prank! » 2023-03-07 13:56:34

zapper wrote:

Actually, he probably could do that. Maybe he did what I did when I used to use devuan and found out about Hyperbola and found one he liked more.

I still have a devuan install if needed on a usb, but not my main anymore. tongue

This being said, anyone read that peppermint has a devuan flavor now? Or was this old news?


I saw it when I typed in devuan into the search bar just now. So who knows how old or new it is.

Edit: Tiny one, it started almost 6 months ago, so nvm. lol.

I was about to say, I'm actually involved with their Devuan port. It's going quite well.

#7 Re: DIY » Preliminary notes on migration from Ubuntu 18.04 to Beowulf » 2023-03-06 23:45:35

A very important thing to make sure of is that anything related to network-manager is downloaded after the devuan sources are added, but BEFORE the first reboot after switching to sysvinit or whichever init you want

#10 Re: Devuan » Devuan DVD set production script » 2023-02-27 19:23:19

I just wanted to post an update letting people know that major updates have been made to this script since it was made a few weeks ago, and that it is now compatible with Devuan, Debian, ParrotOS, Kali, Ubuntu, Linux Mint, AND LMDE, as well as Peppermint OS. It is also now capable of having distinct repository components. Furthermore, if you have a local repo, you no longer have to destroy it to build your DVD set, you merely have to have it active in your sources.list. It can also download from the http repositories if you have it set to such.


As always, the source can be found on the original post in this thread.

#11 Re: Devuan » Increasing need for RAM » 2023-02-18 23:33:26

just my two cents here, the


command changes how it works in Daedalus.


tends to display more usage than before

#12 Re: DIY » A Survey of User-made Content » 2023-02-15 14:27:41

boughtonp wrote:

I included that follow-up question to try and communicate that the no-systemd aspect is less relevant to what I'm asking.
(i.e any repository could choose to have a no-systemd rule irrespective of whether it was Devuan-specific or not.)

My questions were trying to understand specifically what angle MrReplikant is coming from.

I see multiple potential motivations/possibilities, and didn't want to go off down one track only for it to be irrelevant/wrong due to being on different pages...

fsmithred hit the nail on the head. Ensures software that requires systemd isnt included. But as for the most basic reason for  the Crapton repository? We have a lot of community-made stuff or things we want to see packaged for Devuan. Since we can't use official resources for that, we instead provide our own.

#13 Re: Devuan » Devuan DVD set production script » 2023-02-13 18:59:24

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Can you not just use the Debian DVDs? The stock Devuan pinning should keep the init-system-that-shall-not-be-named away, I think.

For some things. But it would still not allow us the full freedom that Devuan's package base offers. There are still a lot of packages with a hard dependency on systemd that we recompile, some of which are quality-of-life. Thus, that can be problematic.

EDIT: Not to mention that a lot of xorg related stuff has new patches done by us in Daedalus, thus there is an increased risk of incompatibility

#14 Re: Devuan » Devuan DVD set production script » 2023-02-13 14:16:14

Head_on_a_Stick wrote: raises some issues about your script, you should check that out.

Pay particular attention to the set_dirs() function — parsing the output of ls is usually a bad idea:

That assumes there are spaces or other things in the filenames produced by this code, which there are not. Therefore, this is a non-issue. Now, if the behavior of ls starts to change, then we can revisit that particular discussion. But for now, if it works (and it does), I'm not going to touch it. I spent way too long trying to make this script work.

Also, after looking into the "expr is antiquated" error in shellcheck, this has been rewritten. saved a few bytes, always nice.

Thank you for giving this a look over. Now I ask: Have you any ideas on how to improve the *system?*. Perhaps as far as feature implementation goes?

#15 Re: Devuan » Devuan DVD set production script » 2023-02-13 01:53:34

Dutch_Master wrote:

I see some problems with that. Primary, you're creating an archive of packages, not necessarily suitable for installation. The Debian DVD's are, at least DVD 1. Then, as you mentioned, you're missing the main and contrib sections (which, IMO, can easily be solved by replacing the non-free in the path to {main,contrib,non-free} so the script goes through all 3). I don't see a way to determine the size of the image in relation to the (optical) media available/requested so prepping it for anything else then a DVD is not gonna work, for now. These might be future updates though, I dunno what you have in the pipeline here wink

It would take very little effort at all to adapt it to other media sizes, a change in a single line in fact.

But yes, you are right, the installer would not be DVD one. But here is the issue: The Devuan repository is structured differently than the Debian repository, and lacks snapshots. Therefore, point releases of DVDs are impossible. We *can*, however, use package names for each cd on each stable release, and make a script that downloads the latest version (for that release) of that package, and puts it in a DVD ISO. Maybe.

All I know is, there is just enough difference between the structure of Debian and Devuan that doing it "the debian way" is impossible. Debian-cd has already been tested and proven to be off the table as an option. So we *have* to come up with our own.

#16 Devuan » Devuan DVD set production script » 2023-02-12 22:25:29

Replies: 7


I've been working on a script to convert a locally produced devuan mirror into a set of DVD isos. The code can be found here:

Some things to note:
1. You will need to delete the dists directory after the mirror is made
2. The script should be run inside the directory containing "pool"
3. This is intended to be used on a single-architecture mirror
4. Do only one section at a time. Currently the script is hard-coded to non-free as this is what I was testing with, please make sure to change this to your intended section BEFORE you run the script
5. This script can be easily modified to produce Blu-Ray-Disc or Double-Layer-Blu-Ray-Disc sets, as well!
6. You will need to install dpkg-dev and genisoimage

The script is run like this:

sudo ./makecds <$ARCH>

This isn't much, and clearly not the most effective solution to producing a DVD set, but it's a starting point in our journey to do so. The ultimate goal of this project is to get us to a point where we can offer DVD sets in future releases, bringing us one step closer to parity with Debian. (and also perhaps make a nice compliment to the ARK system someday!)

#17 DIY » Meet the ARK System: A system for (re)building our digital world! » 2023-02-12 22:00:15

Replies: 0

Evening everyone,

I'm pleased to announce the development of the Adversity Response Kit, also known as the ARK System! This kit, when fully put together by the user, will create a system that leverages the vast software selection of Debian, Devuan, ParrotOS or Kali, and the userland of Bedrock Linux, to create a machine that can facilitate the (re)building and (re)establishment of our digital infrastructure at the software level, as well as be used to preserve important human knowledge!

The following are goals for what the ARK system will be capable of when fully assembled (with their status listed next to them!):

1. Creating (and maintaining) an offline mirror of the chosen host distro's repository [COMPLETE]

2. House local copies of Wikipedia, and other such critical information bases [COMPLETE]

3. Be able to re-create this setup on another machine if needed [IN PROGRESS]

4. Enable an advanced multi-arch development workflow [COMPLETE BY WAY OF BEDROCK]

5. Be able to locally generate installation media OR hard drive images, both for host arch and other mirrored arches [NOT YET DONE]

6. Be able to serve the packages from the ARK System to other machines [COMPLETE]

The Adversity Response Kit can be found here: … ranch/main

In a world of Cyberattacks, Natural Disasters, and Widespread poverty, a system like this -and a competent owner- can make a truly large difference in protecting our future. And to those who do decide they want to take on the challenge or spare the resources to build one....

Good luck, and may your ARK serve you well!

#18 Re: Off-topic » Out of respect... » 2023-02-11 01:50:08

Getting my last words on this in before the thread shuts down

All I wanted was a damned community repository, to do right by Devuan.  Full stop. had I known the crap that thread would spawn, I NEVER would have posted it. This is deeply saddening to see this and the offshoot thread that came before it.

And that's all I've to say about that.

#19 Re: Devuan » [SOLVED] I hate asking this question... but Daedalus release? » 2023-02-03 23:44:37

mweishaar wrote:

Is there anywhere I can find info on the Daedalus release?

I know it's in testing, and it will be ready when it's ready. But is there any info out there about how it is going? It is looking good, coming soon?  Not close?  A smoking pile of garbage? (I know it's not that)

I've installed it in a VM, and seems good. I plan to do (yet another) dist-upgrade when it is released.
I'm just curious, and I can't seem to find any information anywhere.

Daedalus is definitely good. Lots of nice fixes in vs chimaera, just per my own observation. Daedalus will, if I had to guess, probably release sometime in April or may, shortly after the release of Debian Bookworm. We are pretty well in-step with their release schedule.

#20 Re: Devuan » A warning to EU mirror operators » 2023-02-03 02:54:41

Dutch_Master wrote:

Yes, true, agreed. But spreading FUD like in the OP (the EU is making a law and it's the death of FOSS) is something the FOSS community should stay well away from.

Just me tuppence folks!

Rewritten. happy now?

#21 Devuan » A warning to EU mirror operators » 2023-02-03 00:15:24

Replies: 6

To all of our partners in the EU:

There is a directive currently in the works in the EU, called Chat Control 2.0, which may have a detrimental effect on the mirrors in the region, depending on how the member state the mirror resides in decides to interpret it, may become detrimental, or even force them to shut down, depending on the circumstances. We have a list of known mirrors that will be affected, if this directive passes.  All operators in this region are advised to begin the process of creating emergency backups of their servers, if they have not done so.

List of Mirrors Affected by this law:

Even if it doesn't get as bad as I suspect, this is still a wake-up call for all of us.

#22 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Unity desktop environment » 2023-02-02 14:27:42

There is already an independent project to port Unity I believe, It wasnt too long ago. I swear I can remember there being a repo, let me see...

#23 Re: ARM Builds » raspberry pi3 chimaera install "from scratch" » 2023-01-31 17:54:45

I have also built full ISOs for the Pi. BUT, you will need the UEFI firmware for that model, and boot it via UEFI. You can find the ISO on the arm-files website under the arm64-installer tab.

the firmware can be found here:

also note: after installation, you will need to use the recovery mode to reinstall GRUB from the removable-media path, if installing to a USB (Which i HIGHLY recommend so as to not fry out the SD card where your UEFI BIOS is held)

#24 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] No wifi MT7961 » 2023-01-27 13:58:05

56jhonsmith wrote:

I recently bought a laptop, after installing Devuan it does not recognize the Mediatek MT7961 wifi network card. Help.

Addressing Altoid first, I recognize the chipset, this is seen in models like mine, prominently Lenovo models.

To the OP, if you installed chimaera, there's your problem. this chipset only gained support in Daedalus.

#25 Re: ARM Builds » PeppermintOS Devuan arm64 possible testing. » 2023-01-25 15:19:47

berni51 wrote:

Yes, I boot from u-boot.

Then I don't see why not! Contact us on our Matrix chat and we will work on getting you a copy of the latest working ISO, then you can try to use U-boot's UEFI implementation and we can work from there.

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