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#1 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Devuan and M2020W printer wireless » 2026-04-11 09:04:51

I wonder how much it would have cost HP to add small SPST micro switch somewhere under the printer's chassis?

I wouldn't trust HP either, nor most IT companies these days being obsessed with data collection, but especially not HP. I suspect HP don't want you to be able to turn off WiFi because that would be closing a possible channel for their control and for collecting data from you, even if they are not doing that at present. Nor would they be the first company to cripple or brick a device remotely with the claim that it is for "safety" reasons because some idiot electrocuted themselves by sticking a screwdriver into it.

Anyway, where would the printer get its WiFi signal from?  If it from a router somewhere, does the router not have a password, and if so surely the printer would not know it? In which case why does it matter if the printer turns on its WiFi - unless you have neighbours with open WiFi networks?

#2 Devuan » Devuan plugged on YouTube » 2026-04-02 12:44:27

Duke Nukem
Replies: 2

The YouTuber Switch to Linux gave a strong recommendation for Devuan two days ago, mostly in the context of the age verification issue. In fact he starts with a screenshot of my opening post in the "Age Verification" thread here. On the web generally at the moment there are a lot of people talking about switching to Devuan or some other systemd-free distro because of the age verification issue; with systemd prepared to embrace it, it has given them a real incentive to do so. I am not seeing many new forum members here though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_5kYbklJQ0

#3 Re: Off-topic » Youtube videos 'not available' » 2026-04-02 11:37:46

I'm not having a problem with YT, and I'm in the UK.

#4 Re: Devuan » Age Verification » 2026-03-28 13:33:26

Screw Zuckerberg for this and anyone who supports his bs.

From my perspective in the UK, while there has been concern about kids getting addicted to Facebook etc, it has been more to do with stopping them seeing p0rn, and also about stopping anonymity on the internet which some politicians have been pushing for a long time. So far the UK has gone in a different direction, by requiring (under the Online Safety Act) p0rn websites to verify your age - that's right, you are supposed to show a shot of your passport, driving licence or give your credit card details to any shady p0rn site out there. Many non-p0rn websites are also asking for age proof because they are frightened of being prosecuted anyway in case a troll posts a NSFW comment and they take the blame for it. The UK government's answer to the security risks of on-line verification is "Just don't look at p0rn then!".   A UK YouTuber called Cyber Waffle covers this :
https://youtu.be/eJYYO2EoxJg

However, if the practice of putting your birthday into your OS spreads, like it is now spreading in the USA, I have no doubt the UK and other governments will adopt that method too. As a bonus for them, it will be a backdoor method of adding digital ID without the resistance that was met by a straight-out attempt to introduce it recently.

#5 Re: Devuan » Age Verification » 2026-03-25 19:45:24

I see nothing to suggest that Amutable are an "age verification agency".  I believe it goes far deeper than that.

You are probably right that it is deeper. According to their website :

"Amutable's mission is to deliver verifiable integrity to Linux workloads everywhere. .."

.. which doesn't reveal much. The thing is, Microsoft, Apple and Google (for Android) already have central infrastructures in place that can or do keep a registry of their users, such as the now compulsory on-line Windows 11 account. These registries can easily be expanded to include a birthdate and anything else. I have heard that the latest iPhone update is asking users for age verification - not waiting for if/when they go to an adult website, but asking straight away. So those big tech OS companies can give a cheerful thumbs up to the new legal requirements, cheerful because it enables them to learn even more about their users than they do already.

However Linux is de-centralised and has no such infrastructure, so each distro could need to maintain its own registry of users. Clearly only the big players like Ubuntu and Red Hat could afford to do that. That is where systemd could come in : it is a common component in most Linux distros (or all in Poettering's dreams), and systemd could be the software entity that communicates with a single registry of users across all Linux distros - a registry operated by Amutable of course.

At present we do not know which way things will go, except badly.

#6 Re: Devuan » Age Verification » 2026-03-25 10:38:00

Poettering and some other ex Microsofters recently started a new company "Amutable" - I'm not yet clear as to what Amutable will produce - i.e. what is the product

I'm guessing it will be an age verification agency, one that is referred to by a website when you try to access it. Such agencies are being used by some membership type UK websites that require you to upload a picture of you passport, face, driving licence or credit card. These agencies have sprung up like mushrooms. The agency assesses the picture and keeps everything in their database - at least you hope they keep it just there.

#7 Re: Devuan » systemd and age verification » 2026-03-25 10:28:09

... but rather with verifying it, and that is only possible by submitting an ID card to some government server

No, that is not the only way possible, and it is not the way it is happening in the UK which has required age verification for NSFW sites since last July. It is also being applied by other sites (ie Safe for Work) for membership, out of fear. Here it is done by one of :

1) A website moderator looking at your face via your device camera - done by some small hobby forums.

2) Sending a shot of your passport, driving licence or credit card to the website for a moderator to assess.

3) The website using a verification agency who are sent a shot of your passport, driving licence or credit card. Larger websites do this (like social media) and these agencies have sprung up like mushrooms; our friend Lennart Poettering has just started one, although most are in India like other tech support and tech scamming companies.

In fact the UK government have distanced themselves from the verification process so they can't be blamed when things go wrong, like your personal details, credit card details, or entire identity being sold by fake "verification" agencies.

The UK Online Safety Act does not stop you from seeing many NSFW websites without age verification anyway. A friend told me.

#8 Re: Devuan » Age Verification » 2026-03-24 14:08:54

Apparently, major desktop environments are difficult to separate from systemd. Fortunately, I only use lightweight WM. In any case, it may be time to move away from systemd.

You do realise that Devuan does not use systemd? That was the reason it forked (sort-of) from Debian in the first place, which was when Debian started using systemd. There are other distros that do not use systemd (including some Devuan derivatives) as well as the BSDs. Nor does systemd affect the desktop environment: I was using KDE on Devuan for years before it became too bloated.

My understanding is that systemd is planning to add a variable to store your date of birth, but it does not have to be filled in (for now) so in that sense it is optional - at least that is what Lennart Poettering, the principle architect of systemd, is saying.

Funnily enough, Poettering has recently started a company (Amutable) which seems to be offering a verification or attestation service to Linux, but I'm sure that is just a co-incidence, surely?

#9 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Brother MFC-L2690DW » 2026-03-22 10:23:14

I understand that these new "driverless" printers (but isn't Airprint a driver of sorts, built into CUPS?) have come about thanks to people needing to print from smartphones. Smartphones could have printer drivers of course, but they seem to have provided the impetus for some standardisation. I guess the fancier, proprietary, driver software is now in the printer itself, like Postscript printers were before cheap Win-Printers overtook the market.

#10 Re: Devuan » Age Verification » 2026-03-21 21:05:54

Lunduke ( https://x.com/lundukejournal/status/2034697759291310115 ) found a statement from J@Dyne.org that :

Founder of @DevuanOrg  (a Systemd-free fork of Debian) has declared that Devuan Linux "will remove age verification" that they inherit from projects they base upon.

Meanwhile, the agelesslinux.org protest is a nice thought but won't be of any help in using the web. When this sh1t is all up and running, a website simply wont let you in unless you provide it with a verified age confirmation. Or unless the website is an illicit one, maybe hosted in a part of the world that doesn't care about it. Maybe there will be some hacks to spoof verification.

This is going to devastate small and amateur websites. I have seen proposals to implement age bands, like 0-12, 13-15, 15-18 and >18 years old. Now I as an amateur have a small website with a down-loadable game which some could consider a bit violent. So how would I rate it? Or will I need to pay some censor authority to rate it like they would a movie film? If I rate it myself wrongly I could be bankrupted by a fine in £millions. In the UK it has been reported by someone who monitors this stuff that thousands of websites have already been pulled by their owners rather than risk a misstep.

The fact that these fines for infringing age verification are so huge reveals the mindset and ignorance of those making these laws up : they think the internet consists only of giant social media sites, email and P0rnhub - and nothing else.

#11 Re: Off-topic » systemd starting to store birthDate » 2026-03-20 13:42:11

What is amazing is the short notice that Brazil gave to requiring an age indicator in operating systems.  In fact I don't think they did give any "notice", they just passed a law that required it to be done within a few weeks. Perhaps they did give notice to Microsoft, Apple and even Canonical, but even if they did I can't imagine they did to the likes of Knoppix, Slackware, SystemRescue, DamnSmall, the other 400 minor distros - or Devuan.

I heard that Brazil acted as fast as it did in a knee jerk reaction to a particular video that has gone viral on the web and was displeasing to the Brazillian government. Does anyone know if this is true, and if so what it was about? It must have been a heck of a video.

I would have thought that any age indicator in the OS would need to be in an agreed format for websites to read. Is anyone aware of any industry group working on this? Or will it just be left to Microsoft to set a de-facto standard that everyone else must follow (if MS even allow that to be possible), or be locked out. I can just imagine MS devising a system that involves age verification via the MS mothership, so you need an MS account even if you are on Linux and MS can record every website you visit.

#12 Re: Off-topic » systemd starting to store birthDate » 2026-03-19 13:49:54

This is related to my post in the Devuan sub-forum which asked what Devuan was doing about this issue, if anything.
https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=62686

Verifying your entire ID may come later, but the immediate concern is just about age verification which became required at OS level in Brazil just a few days ago and will be required in some US states from some months ahead (from 2027 onwards?). I can imagine the rest of the world following - it would happen by default.

I don't think that Firefox will refuse to work without a verified age flag in your OS, instead it will only let you open a web page with the lowest age rating. There is talk of age bands like 0-13, 13-15, 15-18 and >18, and all web pages and software will need to be age rated for this system to work, like films are. You be unable to download software above your age rating, which is likely to apply to games. If your OS cannot return an age rating when interrogated for it, it will assume you are in the lowest age band.

Systemd may be one way of implementing age rating, but it cannot be the only way because Windows, MacOS also need to comply.

As for who is behind this, the consensus seems to be Meta. Currently in the UK, the effect (since July 2025) of the age verification required by the Online Safety Act is that individual websites are requiring verification on a user-by-user basis. You are supposed to send a shot of you passport, driving licence, or give your credit card details to any site you visit that wants to see it - even harmless hobby websites are doing this because they are scared, not just p0rn sites. These sites are employing contractors, typically in India, to look though your passport etc (no security risk there then), and it costs them money. Meta don't want that expense which is why they want the verification to be shifted to the OS level.

This is my understanding of where we are heading, but I hope I'm wrong. This will be the end of the free internet and of small and amateur hobby websites because of the cost and bureaucracy of getting an age rating. The web will shrink into walled controlled gardens like Facebook, and the former Compuserve and MSN.

#13 Re: Installation » Forgot login/sudo password » 2026-03-19 13:07:37

I didn't even know that Firefox could save passwords. I wouldn't trust it to. I recommend in future saving them in an encrypted file with a copy in several places, including a pen drive.

#14 Devuan » Age Verification » 2026-03-18 10:18:09

Duke Nukem
Replies: 35

How, if at all, is Devuan going to react to the movements in age verification? 

In some jurisdictions, including Texas and California, it is to be a legal requirement by next year (AFAIR) to put some sort of flag in the operating system to indicate the user's age, and in Brazil it became so just yesterday - the extremely short notice (a couple of weeks) shows how little politicians understand tech. The end goal, presumably, is for all websites and software to have an age rating so that the OS will block them if they do not match the flag in the OS. I don't want to go into it all here, but Lunduke gives an update in the YouTube video below.

The penalties for non-compliance in Brazil are astronomical, $millions per infringement, meaning per user! That is similar to the penalties under the related UK Online Safety Act. It is not yet clear what the big players, Microsoft, Apple, and Android, are doing about it. Some journalist asked Microsoft and the PR person they spoke to seemed unaware of it, and taken aback!

Seems that Ubuntu and some others are complying under some protest, while some small distros are simply putting up a notice saying something like "Not for use in Brazil". 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1q8OFEBt0Y

#15 Re: Off-topic » What other distro are you using (besides devuan)? » 2026-03-16 23:19:29

I have DSL (Damn Small Linux) on an ancient Pentium III tower with 500 Mb of memory, a 4Gb HDD for DSL itself, a 2Gb HDD for Windows 95, and a 40Gb HDD for data. I use it as a NAS to hold backups of important data in case I have a failure on my main PC, and only switch it on occasionally for transfers.  DSL is based on Debian and my installation uses JWM (Joe's Window Manager) for the GUI.

The Win95 is just to use with a fast bulk Logitech scanner which they chucked out from work when they moved to NT and Logitech didn't have a later driver for it, and also to remind me how awful Win95 was. I installed Windows first, but the DSL installation failed to add it to the boot menu, so afterwards I installed an old-time boot manager called Smart Boot Manager.

#16 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Accidental Success: Revived 2008 Toshiba with Devuan 6 & AI (Non-Tech) » 2026-03-07 10:28:22

Well done. That is quite something for someone "with zero technical background".  I've been using Linux for 20 years and Devuan for 10, but I had never even come across pstree - Linux has many, many, different ways of doing things.

#17 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Using apt to find the package I want... » 2026-02-12 18:58:30

@chris2be8  Those images are on imgur. It is a casualty of the UK's Online Safety Act : imgur has decided that the cost of meeting its requirements is too great to be worthwhile so they have blocked access from the UK instead. I can't say I blame them.

#18 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Using apt to find the package I want... » 2026-02-11 23:01:56

Synaptic is relatively easy to use. It can return some stuff that is irrelevant, especially if you choose to allow the description to be included in the search, but you can soon scroll down the list.

#19 Re: Off-topic » [SOLVED] Identify old distro mascot. » 2026-01-31 13:38:30

That is quite a backstory behind Dr "Bob" Dobbs.

Yes, I'm aware of Slackware although I have never used it, and the modern Slackware logo is an "S" on a blue roundel. Searching for other info now, it seems that the Slackware logo back then was Tux with Bob's image on his chest.

#20 Off-topic » [SOLVED] Identify old distro mascot. » 2026-01-31 10:45:57

Duke Nukem
Replies: 4

When I was first involved with Linux, and read printed magazines back then, there was what seemed then to be a fairly popular distro with the rather odd but striking logo consisting of the face of a man with a 1950's hairstyle and smoking a pipe. I never used that distro myself and have not seen it now for years. Does anyone know what it was, and is it now defunct?

#21 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] Seeing Partitions on a Server » 2026-01-19 11:30:26

You are trying to export a directory that contains mountpoints for other filesystems, without specifying the 'crossmnt' flag.

Correct, thanks for that advice and the problem is now sorted.
FWIW, the exports manual page is not available on the client where I had been looking for it, only on the server. That's logical I suppose.

#22 Other Issues » [SOLVED] Seeing Partitions on a Server » 2026-01-18 20:41:35

Duke Nukem
Replies: 2

I have a server at 192.168.1.6 with more than one disk drive and some of those with more than one partition, for example a data partition on the mount point /home/server_name/Data/

My client PC successfully mounts (eg on /mnt by nfs) 192.168.1.6:/home/server_name and I can see the directory called Data, but it displays empty. The strange thing is that I have tried this several times, including mounting the server partition within the server either before or after the network mount, and sometimes I can see the files in the mounted partition below Data and sometimes I can't. There seems to be no consistency, and all the advice I can find seems to assume that the server only needs to show the client one level of partition.

What am I missing here? Are there some rules about this?  I suppose I could mount the server's separate partitions each as a separate entity, in parallel, rather than as a tree. That sounds a bit like Windows though.

#23 Re: Installation » Some Concerning Bugs » 2026-01-07 13:44:42

onedevone wrote :

Installer messes up partition and by default it choses 8GiB for SWAP. The system has 8 GB physical RAM. This is not sane

Insanely too small or insanely too large?  Or just right? - that would be really insane!

I have 16 Gb of RAM and a 27 Gb swap partition.  I thought the advice was to have the swap area at least equal to RAM. I've never seen the swap used (maybe it does when it sleeps); but what the hell, I have six drives in my PC because I've been too lazy to take any out when I've put newer ones in. The swap is on "ancient history" spinning rust 80GB drive that has an old disused Windows XP installation on its other partition AFAIR. This reminds me to check it out for bit-rot some time.

#24 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] tcplay - so different from truecrypt and veracrypt? » 2025-12-21 19:24:19

Just to close this off as solved, in the end I downloaded veracrypt-1.26.24-Debian-13-amd64.deb from https://veracrypt.io/en/Downloads.html, the GUI version of Veracrypt recommended for Debian 13. It works for me on Excalibur.

#25 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] Synaptic problem, or what? » 2025-12-21 19:20:32

I have not managed to see a screenshot in Synaptic for a long time (years?).  I gave up trying. Best to Google for it separately to find an image for it, if there are any.

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