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#1 Re: DIY » Migration from debian buster to devuan beowulf can work » 2020-03-06 23:49:01

I followed the above steps and was also able to migrate a Debian Buster (hard metal) to Devuan Beowulf.    Note: I did switch to sysvinit-core and Wicd first then rebooted before starting the migration.  Also started the migration while using icewm.

* So far so good.

inxi -Fr
System:  Kernel: 4.19.0-8-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: Xfce 4.12.4 Distro: Devuan GNU/Linux 3 (beowulf) 
Machine:   Type: Desktop System: Hewlett-Packard product: HP Compaq 6005 Pro SFF PC v:
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 28.0 C mobo: N/A 
           Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A 
Repos:     Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list 
           1: deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf main contrib non-free
           2: deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-updates main contrib non-free
           3: deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-security main contrib non-free
           4: deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-backports main contrib non-free

#2 Re: Off-topic » Greetings and some questions » 2020-02-12 02:33:21

a bit outdated but still useful: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/secu … ian-howto/

Learned the most from Slackware and Debian.

#3 Re: Devuan » Debian considering going systemd init only » 2020-02-12 02:29:46

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

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Can you do that with sysvinit? tongue

What's the emoji for broken by design?

#4 Re: Forum Feedback » Ending or moving a forum discussion that has degenerated too far » 2020-02-12 02:28:32

golinux wrote:

There are no moderators on this forum but there are several admins of which I am one.

smile

Free cynwulf

#5 Re: Devuan Derivatives » List of Devuan derivatives » 2020-02-05 21:50:45

Miyo, I don't think James realized you were "The Miyo".  smile

PS: I apologize if that shadow or cloak was intentional.  tongue

#6 Re: Devuan » Debian considering going systemd init only » 2020-02-05 21:48:40

steelpillow wrote:
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
steelpillow wrote:

why come and troll a community created expressly to expunge it all from our lives?

I'm bored.

I have to admit, that is the most convincing argument I ever heard from a systemd advocate. wink

steel, let me introduce HOAS, if you read their signature all will be made clear to you.  They have a history/track record on other fora as well of similar "behavior".

#7 Re: Devuan » Debian has fallen. What now? » 2020-01-01 00:38:20

Decided to copy my post from Debian forum since it was referenced by someone here and may be of interest as well: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php? … 0&start=30

Re: init diversity in Debian

Postby HuangLao » 2019-12-29 16:24
Well, I've been following this thread and a few others as a lurker and now feel "compelled" to write.

I find a lack of sincerity or perhaps a bit of hubris in the apparent alarm and surprise of the recent GR vote regarding systemd. We know from the prior vote that Debian decided to default to systemd and to follow what other distros had already done. This vote simply reinforces the first vote, however, it does not close the door on other init's, it merely says it will not be the primary focus of Debian as a project nor will it enforce that policy on the dev's. If a dev wants to support other init's they may, if someone wants to step up and do the work they can, they may accept patches to support alternatives and they are encouraged to discuss ideas rather then ignore or brush off etc... As fsmithred stated:

    I don't forsee any immediate changes. Yesterday's vote leaves us in a slightly better position than before. There was no commitment at all to work with us. Now there is. It wasn't my favorite proposal, but it's something we can work with. It could have been worse.

https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=19182#p19182

and anticapitalista:

    Let's hope that those packagers that do include support for alternate init systems besides systemd in buster will continue to do so.
    We at antiX have found buster to be much better in terms of init-diversity than stretch was.

https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=19185#p19185

Keep in mind the historic nature of Debian, it is a very slow moving ship, no-one ever said it does not follow other trends it simply gets there at a much slower pace, and typically does leave room for slight alterations of course. Is that not what the recent vote concluded? Continue to move towards systemd as primary but remain open to alternatives.

Course forward if you base your distro on Debian or any systemd distro:
1) rebase on a non systemd distro, start the work now for your next release

2) continue basing on Debian and fork or rebuild any programs that require systemd, the source is out there.

3) block any programs that need to be rebuilt or cannot be rebuilt because they are too "tainted". Slackware stopped providing Gnome many years ago because it became an abomination to maintain.

4) become a Debian dev. so you not only can contribute to the upstream of your distro but also gain a vote/speaking voice in the direction of that ship, this is what many Ubuntu dev's did a few years ago and what Debian dev's did for Ubuntu prior to that.

5) unify the several small distros with a common goal around one common distro/mission....example, antiX, MX, Devuan could combine together either with some work or all

6) propose a systemd free repo for Debian similar to the nonfree and contrib repos, that is maintained by antiX, MX, Devuan etc.... Of course to make that proposal you would need to be a Debian dev...so it goes back to that.

Finally, stop overreacting, the sky is not falling, Linux is not dying, challenges like this come up every few years and it will in a few years again. When you have been around the game long enough, you stop reacting to the infighting. PV/Slackware is just now exploring adding Pam/Kerberos many years after it became default in every other distro. You do not need to rebase off Slackware to learn from it. I do not think (cannot speak for him) that PV would be interested in a merger, even though PV and Ian did ponder a merger early in Debian's history. It was actually Ian wanting to merge with Slackware. With that said SalixOS may have interest but you would want to speak with George (gapan) about that. Slapt-get has apt like functions and the Salix team tends to be more open to Debian and other distros (Arch etc...).

#8 Re: Devuan » Debian has fallen. What now? » 2020-01-01 00:35:27

jaromil wrote:
farmatito wrote:

Please stay with Debian to preserve the working work setups of many people like me.

This is certainly Devuan's path. We will stick to the plan: this is our promise and its proven to bring power and stability to all.

No surprises ahead.

ciao

Good to hear.

#9 Re: Off-topic » new encroachments of our least favourite init » 2019-12-15 22:28:06

Camtaf wrote:

Slackware probably still avoids systemd.

There is no systemd in Slackware 14.2 or older nor in -current (v.15).  PV and crew have no plans on including it either.

#10 Re: Off-topic » new encroachments of our least favourite init » 2019-12-15 22:26:50

freemedia2018 wrote:

steve litt mentioned gentoo today, that wasnt expected.

also this week, puppy linux (one of the simplest ways to avoid systemd, as it is trivial to build your own version-- even from ubuntu, and it never needed systemd before) dropped systemd-udev into testing.

these are two distros known for doing a great job of resisting, which are suddenly showing signs of giving in. are there others that people here know of? ones that dont have systemd yet, but might in the near future?

I read steve's post on the mailing list and also noticed he did not provide a link/source of his claim regarding systemd.  A search on gentoos forum did not produce any evidence of his claim.

#11 Re: Devuan » Debian considering going systemd init only » 2019-12-08 20:50:56

Nili wrote:

I do not care anymore. IMO, It's not too late to think of any other non-Linux system. I'm already practicing my hands with BSD. I'm looking at Haiku aswell. Instead of learning another Linux OS I find it more reasonable to use a non Linux OS.

Curiously, I installed Debian 10 a couple of days ago and didn't hold it for more than a few hours. Still no to"C:\SystemD" for me.

Well, before completely jumping the Linux ship....there is Slackware (or SalixOS)which has remained true to *nix standards while everyone else forked off.

#12 Re: Devuan » Clarification of the relationship between Dyne and Devuan » 2019-12-01 18:06:56

jaromil wrote:

To give a bit of context: I've written this post in response to the April fool's accusations against Devuan volunteers.

These accusations have lead to the resignation of a core Devuan developer and severely damaged our project.

Therefore I felt as necessary to specify that users, and even donors, cannot expect any warranty: if you donate, you support the project.

Those in need of a warranty that Devuan fits their purposes should hire a professional for it and with Devuan.pro we'll try to facilitate that.

Also Dyne.org happens to be the organisation that invests most time and resources to facilitate Devuan's community, but neither me or my colleagues can be held liable for Devuan. We simply do our best and you can judge that from actions and results - and you can contribute too!

If you understand what I wrote above and the reasons for it: please help against trolls and hooligans, Devuan also needs this sort of help to survive.

jaromil, I have alot of respect for Dyne (have for many years) and appreciate what Devuan has done and is trying to keep doing, however, the above (in bold) statement is misleading or worse a red herring.  The action(s) surrounding the terrible April Fools joke is what damaged the integrity and reputation of Devuan, especially by core Devuan developer(s), not those who were correctly pointing out and bringing attention to what occurred.  Is the firefighter to be blamed for pointing out and trying to correct/put out a fire, or the one who lit the match?

Also, if Devuan.pro is going to offer "professional" support then its home page needs to remove the redundant statements/paragraphs, that does not give a good first impression.  wink

#13 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Random freezing on desktop » 2019-08-19 20:34:24

Micronaut wrote:

Now I am wondering if I ought to open a completely different thread. Before resorting to trying a completely different distro to escape the random freezing problem, I decided to experiment with enabling swap. Since modern computers always have plenty of RAM, at least for ordinary desktop use, I have tended to skip the swap partition and just run any Linux without swap at all. But when I edited a swap partition into my Devuan test system and enabled it, things seem to work much better. Haven't had the time to test extensively yet, but it seems to have run for a whole afternoon without any freezing. This seems bizarre, since I've never come close to filling the RAM on this machine, so I don't see how swap would make any difference. But as I have searched around other forums, the discussions (which can get very technical about kernel issues) seem to say that swap is very deeply embedded in how the kernel works and you ought to have at least a token swap partition on any system.

/swap is always a good idea.  In general GNU/Linux will use what is available, if you have more memory available the same DE with the same settings will use more memory, if less is available it will generally be more conservative of the memory usage.  Even if you have 16GB of memory /swap is still beneficial.  Of course I mean real /swap not this silly swapfile nonsense.

#14 Re: Devuan » comments about Devuan ascii » 2019-04-10 22:13:06

crush the mouse and replace it with Devuan logo.  smile  or send the mouse to outerspace.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mighty_Mo … rraton.jpg

#17 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » EXT4 BUG? Data loss when I have launched sigil :s » 2019-04-09 19:48:07

Any noises coming from the drive, is it running hot?  Are you able to open the case and see if it is full of dust, loose connections etc...?  Is the fan working?  Also note, just because its a new drive does mean it was not faulty. 

Are you pulling packages from ceres into stable/ascii?

#18 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » EXT4 BUG? Data loss when I have launched sigil :s » 2019-04-09 19:18:28

Let's start with the basics:

as root:

apt install inxi

then post output of:

inxi -Fr

#19 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » EXT4 BUG? Data loss when I have launched sigil :s » 2019-04-08 20:07:17

definitely not ext4.  Report back with the results of rolfies suggestion(s), if all looks good then you might need to clean out the dust, check the connections etc...

#20 Re: Off-topic » Music » 2019-04-08 20:05:09

One of the best artists, whether live, or for road trips!
Bob Seger, "Against The Wind" - Final Show at The Palace 09/23/17
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI2YTF2Qqrk

#21 Re: News & Announcements » Dev1conference live streaming » 2019-04-08 19:39:17

golinux, make sure you rest as well.  That was a big trip and a full weekend! 

Added to Announcements: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2782

#22 News & Announcements » First Devuan Conference -- Amsterdam, 5th-7th April 2019 (Video) » 2019-04-08 19:37:25

ChuangTzu
Replies: 2

Devuan 1st Conference, April 2019, Sat. Session(s), Amsterdam:

The Quests for Minimalism - by Katolaz
https://youtu.be/I7qE43KK5bY?t=1881

Demystifying Init - by Laurent Bercot
https://youtu.be/I7qE43KK5bY?t=7622

Git, Devuan SDK, package builds, Building Devuan - by Jaromil and parazyd
https://youtu.be/I7qE43KK5bY?t=17054
https://devuan.org/os/distro-kit

How to make your own Linux distribution (could also be a demonstration that abiword actually works) - by fsmithred
https://youtu.be/I7qE43KK5bY?t=22497


Devuan 1st Conference, April 2019, Sunday Session(s):

Devuan with s6 and s6-rc by Laurent Bercot
https://youtu.be/_ULy7jBnXdo?t=1220

Running a Devuan data center - by Nico & the Datacenterlight crew
https://youtu.be/_ULy7jBnXdo?t=5941

Maemo Leste, Mobile Hacker OS - by Parazyd
https://youtu.be/_ULy7jBnXdo?t=12304

Competing with Giants: How to Sell Devuan to Your Company - by Linux O'Beardly
Easter Egg (Devuan conference in US?)
https://youtu.be/_ULy7jBnXdo?t=17723

Dowse: the Rod for Local Area Network Awareness - by Fredd & Jaromil
https://youtu.be/_ULy7jBnXdo?t=19710

Ref: https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/2 … 2c.en.html

#23 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2019-04-08 01:19:58

Great job Miyo, just finished watching your intro to the Arch Annihilator, Gentoo jinxer  smile

Always enjoy the tunes, I thought you were going to put on a green hat at the end LOL.  Keep up the great work!

Ooh, future video request, Devuan/Miyo and music recording/production.  smile

#24 Re: Installation » Devuan icon » 2019-04-07 23:18:48

What about this: /usr/share/desktop-base/grub-themes/devuan/icons/devuan.png

#25 Re: News & Announcements » Dev1conference live streaming » 2019-04-07 21:30:48

golinux I added it Katolaz' original announcement thread.  https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=15397#p15397

Or do you want it to be its own sticky/thread?

PS: working on day 2 now.

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