poor attacker...

I fsmithred, as you suppose and probably now, user can't change the title line of threads in the forum (I also did write wrong the word experimental...) (*1 .

Yes, title are difficult to write for person like I not really speaking English because the size of those lines is extremely limited: to be precise you need more room. But at sourceforge (see the parallel discussion where I did announce the upload of the parallel ISO; at this time, the 32 bit ISO is not yet uploaded at all, this is the reason because I did not speak yet about upload or place of the upload. I will do it soon, but will wait for your answer first) I have clearly write yesterday «made with Refracta (Devuan derivative) a small KDE environment made by a simple Linux user with apt and synaptic.» (only apt and synaptic are not really the tools of an high level developers :-) ! In my eyes it is clear so...). Next release, I will probably not use refracta any more but only the Devuan depository as I will use next debootstrap or, with the help of the NuTyx fans try a completely fresh compilation of the about one thousand packages (from LFS & BLFS). That are my plans for the miniKDE (and to restore so the position of the real KDE applications family with real Konqueror, with Calligra or KOffice etc. What the developers do actually with the KDE environment is a shame...). My position is not to develop but to help users and re-establish old general options in Linux being becoming more arm and poor each year now!

(*1 this is good so: for, probably, this reason, that forum app continue to be usuable without some graphic environment! The KDE forum can actually not be used with Konqueror as I did see the day before yesterday... and  also not with falkon, the new official invention of REAL (!)developers: they develop now solutions not able to use -> hunspell <- and bring so old user in embarrassment having language problems! Thank you, REAL developers: 10 years back direction middle age!
;-( !
@fsmithred: I did find now, a day later, the (easy way) to change it. Users can change the titel line themself, it is only a matter of the size + position of the little edit window. Thank you for the changing you did make!

I did upload 2 times one of the ISOs (testing) here:

https://sourceforge.net/projects/justminikde/

On Seamonkey, I have toil to open my own upload... Perhaps you have more luck!

I did meet a simple answer:

all installations frontend's for Debian are not really equivalent. In  graphic mode, prefer synaptic!

I, myself, I use better apt because you can redirect the apt output to a file and compare it with other days later! I don't know how to redirect and archive the output of synaptic. but synaptic avoid some installations problems.

but I did have today the experience, it can be the opposite also! If synaptic refuses, you can try apt or aptitude...

for synaptic, libsystemd0 seems to be no problem and after the use you never more hear somewhat from this ugly component!

in very tricky situations, dpkg can also help... the problem: you have a lot to learn if you want to use it so...

the installations string for Refracta stable:

sudo apt update
sudo apt upgrade
sudo apt install alsa-tools aptitude cups deborphan didiwiki gpm info samba xorg network-manager dbus-session-bus libteam-utils polkitd-pkla  policykit-1 modemmanager ppp dnsmasq-base dns-root-data libmbim-utils libqmi-utils usb-modeswitch wireless-regdb comgt wvdial network-manager-openvpn kde-plasma-desktop konsole konqueror  synaptic partitionmanager mgp qml-module-org-kde-kitemmodels calligrawords calligrasheets lximage-qt
sudo reboot
# after reboot
# if you want, you can remove the old kernel (if the new is in use!); use synaptic (search linux-image and mark the image to remove and do it!) before you make the snapshot
sudo refractasnapshot
# if want more, next level, testing
sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
# change the -> daedalus <- into -> testing <- in the first line
# comment the 2 next lines being not usable in testing or experimental
sudo apt update
sudo synaptic
# in synaptic, mark all and execute and open the windows for details to see the questions!
# I did keep the precedent versions of the scripts. If difficulties appear, you can remake taking the other choices...
sudo reboot
# after reboot
sudo apt autoremove
# probably not only one time!
deborphan
# look which packages are orphaned and remove but with prudence!
# test that level
sudo refracta snapshot
# you can continue to -> ceres <- ! It is the same...
# yesterday all packages were present for all dependencies! synaptic did find solutions,
# but in ceres, it can each day be different!
# a lot of packages are coming from stable and testing and 
# synaptic use then to complete the dependencies as good solution! it is normal!
# actualize please often your ceres version but don't forget to make a snapshot before you do that!

I did add initially lightdm

but do it after testing if it works well!

or do it not: This booting is not so beautiful attraktiv but you start with a normal command line login (or not, without login using the refractainstaller option, and with a simple "go" after full installation, into the graphic environment and are (very more) free if you meet problems and will try to solve then in command line (note: you can also use CRL+ALT+F2 ;-) !).

sudo ln -s /usr/bin/startx /usr/bin/go

Thank you very much aluma (I did use myself translate.google.com in the past, working also on full web pages. French Puppy Linux users did try to include an analog app in their version of Puppy linux). But as you see, I use apt and synaptic and all those things are not present at the deb depositories...

And I did look at you link. And immediately see a (perhaps only little) problem: I am now working at a KDE oriented version of mini linux, and miss Konqueror or Falkon under the proposed browser (as well as Seamonkey, my prefered browser: I did start before 2000 with it, if I right remember, at that time as "the" Mozilla suite with the red dino and did never find somewhat better concerning the ergonomics (settings and results of then, room on the windows for graphic applications, tool bars...).

actually, my main care is to include as much real KDE app's into the smart KDE installation.

I did have for ex. the surprise that the most important parts of the real KDE office did not use really very much harddisk capacity  (calligrawords, calligrasheets and konqueror as document viewer, it is listed as a document viewer) but is fully integrated in the hidden kde system as the light Gnome office (abiword, gnumeric, evince), the last ones not being integrated, this in the actual Daedalus (it can evolve negative if a level of some dependency, especially the terribly big ones (webkitenginejava) evolves differently. My next steps are of course to try to upgrade that smart KDE based on bookworm, a name easy to write against the terrible daedalus, debian has more experience and avoid such errors, idem aeckszcaliboer, to testing (easy to write and taken in consideration by hunspell) and then to ceres (relatively easy to write under consideration of the pronunciation of the word, although the "c" is a letter with the most uncertain pronunciation! SID is really easy...).

I understand you, but please, next time (it is coming with exzkalyboer) take name's being used in the dictionary for the new distros so that hunspell will advise me directrly ;-) ... The names of antic great things evolve through the time. Also in Italian is dedalo a word with an open "e"...

it is so, I am a supporter of Daebian  as well as from Daevuan would I say and write now after that experience...

Hallo,
Der Einfachheit halber  melde ich mich diesmal auf Deutsch. Ich kannte Ihre Produkte bisher nicht und habe also die Seite archivista.ch besucht. Nur, hinterher bin ich kaum schlauer als vorher. Um was handelt es sich?

Um ein (bzw. mehrere) Gerät(e), die nicht sagende (auf jedem Fall nicht näher klärende) Namen trägt/tragen,

oder um eine Software?

Diese Diskussion ist schon seeeehr lang, aber, zumindest nehme ich an, für englischsprachige Leute noch überschaubar. Viele auf den englischsprachige Foren sind aber nicht so fix in der Sprache, die sich rühmt die Weltsprache zu sein (die Deutschen sind vor 40 J., als unser Sohn geboren wurde, den Weg gegangen, Englisch anstatt Latein als Pflicht zu nehmen! Aber überall in Diskussionsforen ausser hier, drängen sie inzwischen darauf, dass deutschsprachige Unterforen entstehen!). Diese Diskussion ist inzwischen sehr alt.

Kann man fragen: um was dreht es sich eigentlich? Gerät / Software? Falls Software opensource oder nicht ?  Was tut die Software, das neue Gerät? Gibt es eine Liste der Abkürzungen, die den Zweck jeder verdeutlich, was ist DMS, MRP usw.? Welche Voraussetzungen minimal / empfohlen (denn die Anderen können ja weiterhin wohl das Thema ignorieren, es sei denn sie suchen selbst etwas neues)...

Hi fsmithred
I did reinstall completely not as stable anymore but as testing and then upgrade as ceres. the refractasnapshot did create the CD image. I suppose that in daedalus a dependency was missed...