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#1 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] ceres installation through debootstrap » 2023-04-14 21:35:46


For other users of the community:

As I did explain in a long post at the Puppy Linux forum, I will build my own pupy-linux-kind system on Devuan. And I will only install that, what I did use in the last 5 years with a few quantity extra of packages for children and youth people (in order of importance, there are: granule, nted, the go game, xsane-tesseractOCR-gimagereader to practice foreign language without to really speak them, diverse hunspell's, kturtle, UCBLogo, scratch2 (needs wine and the old free version of Adobe AIR, a 32 bit stuff!), and sometime marble or marbleQT)

I will use nano and erase vim. in X, I can use Xedit as it is always present (also in Puppy Linux!) excepted in SliTaz. Same thing for Xcalc (Why a cow if I only need a glass milk!).

My office is of course
- at beginning time during installations period didiwiki in a browser like "link" if outside xorg (yes, you can smart writing in only char web browser with didiwiki!!! You have normal, fat, italic and underlined. You can manage titels. You can easily manage sheets with columns. And you can include place for pictures and print out through cups, as also samba, cups does not require Xorg! The didiwiki pages are very small text pages in ~/.didiwiki . It is easy to build and manage a calender in didiwiki sheet! And all the contains can be bound with links together!

- later, in Xorg, I use mgp (the presentation MaGicPoint)+abiword+gnumeric+a group of 3 internet browsers (luakit+midori (sorry, is not at the Devuan depository)+epiphany web) as the need of place is unsignificativ different for one or all 3+mTpaint+viewnior+mHwaveedit. didiwiki is good to bring the house budget in columns to the paper and can be enough if using dedicated pages, easy to realize using the HTML links.

This is a very small basis equipment.

Concerning sound, I really prefer pulse audio but alsa stuff can be enough.

Concerning player, I continue to search. I don't like all the new versions! I continue to use old Debian-Dogs versions (see Puppy linux forum) if I need some one (as they did have very precise tools in the past, to select parts of video to see or repeat, other did have tools to play progressively slower or faster etc. I simply miss realy those tools today!)

MaGicPoint: the probably most tiny linux really good realized, the BASLIN on 2 old 1,5 GB floppy's, 1 floppy for Linux, 1 floppy for the few preinstalled app's did propose a version of MaGicPoint where it was possible to draw , yes, handing to draw with the mouse! It was the only one really graphic app of the microscopic distribution! But it did show which potential is in MGP! Also BASLIN did use JWM, my prefered screen manager (you don't need some "slim" if you will mostly directly start from the ISO for ex. through the RAM. but if you want, you can install it to give a standard feeling to your work and will always start in graphic mode.

Write with 2 very different writting systems:

- us and hindi or us and tamil or us and korean: all above stuff supports it if you can use the keyboard directly (I do so!).
you can try to install a /etc/X11/xorg.conf like in Puppy Linux (see there!) to commute from language to language f. ex. with SHIFT+CTRL!

- us and chinese or japanese: go to, an excellent editor for far east and other languages with integrated keayboard view. But no save tools: you have to mark and save yourself with the mouse into an opening extra editor, can probably each other editor supporting the language.

But you have to add adequate fonts! Not forget it or nothing happens...

#2 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] ceres installation through debootstrap » 2023-04-14 20:55:28


Thank you very much again!

fsmithred wrote:

You can use "--include" and/or "--exclude" with debootstrap. See the man page for more options.


You could also make a script with "apt install <package1> <package2>..." that you copy to the installed system and run when you enter the chroot.

I always include a prepared .bash_history file in my isos! the first lines do resume the origins and changes, both for example like this:

# build from binaries from Devuan Ceres April 2024; debootstrap installation
# /etc/apt/apt.conf contains no recommands no suggest no languages fix-missings yes

The last next line contains

sudo apt install sudo gpm

(this is the minimal one if I will start in bash without some xorg. But this line will continue to grow during the complete installation to see witch recommands and suggest apt would have installed in case of maximal automatic installation. I never erase the begin of that line. The line inform about all the details of the installation through "apt" (but not through "dpkg")

and  a minimal quantity of lines I would often use later according to my own kind to work:

xrandr -o normal
xrandr -o left
setxkbmap fr
setxkbmap us intl
sudo rmdir /mnt/sda5
sudo mount /dev/sda5 /mnt/sda5
sudo mkdir /mnt/sda5

in a new system with that prepared bash_history I can see how the system did be born, and which are the installed packages in the last instance of the line with sudo apt install etc. etc., and fine useful of my prefered bash command so I have nothing to write else go backward in the file using "cursor up»! And I can later clean from time to time the content of .bash_history. That file ~/.bash_history is really a power full help to start super fast with the new system! My real "home" is always sda5 as it is always possible to have it an all my actual PC's (I use a lot of different PC's in the house) as sda5 is always the first logic partition within the extended partition on DOS hard drives.
you will see that the last entry is always the first entry to use in chains of bash commands. so first Setxkbmap us intl before you commute the keyboard to for ex. Korean or Tamil writing where you perhaps do not know how to come back with occidental characters!

I don't understand your question about localization. You could exclude the locales package, but then you won't be able to set a different language.

I will English only! The only usefull variant are unities, date writting etc.

(I consider it is more easy to add only ONE next language as to pull all languages of the world! It is a conceptional error!)

#3 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] ceres installation through debootstrap » 2023-04-13 23:47:25



Thank you very much!
I will of course also install snapshot-base, installer-base and refracta2usb.

Are other tools from refracta or / and from star recommendable (from start in all cases /mnt/sda1/etc/apt/sources.list. When I am installing a package, I do it always with apt in 3 pass: PASS 1 for ex.
# sudo apt install deborphan clex links didiwiki # after that I answer always "N" to get to pass 2
# sudo apt install deborphan clex links didiwiki > ./i/iDeborphanClexLinksDidiwiki # after that I continue to answer "N" to get to pass 3
and I press Cursor Up twice to get the line pass 1 unchanged again and execute. So I have in the ./i/iXxYyZz files all the details concerning the recommendations and can sometimes immediately extend a bit the content of the first pass to add some known recommendable package like "lame" for sounds packages etc.

important for me is also an ~/.Xresources files because I am old and the resolution of my laptop is for me extreme...

is the use of  the option --include linux-image-amd64,grub-pc in the line:
debootstrap --arch amd64 ceres /mnt   
also following new line:

debootstrap --include linux-image-amd64,sudo,grub-pc,xorg,menu,jwm,slim,didiwiki,links --arch amd64 ceres /mnt  


if I can do that (perhaps before I add /etc/apt/sources.list amd the other recommend scripts in chroot), I can highly standardise my own debootstrap proceedering and so eliminate reason to forget somewhat! Later is all the installation documented in .bash_history as well as in my iXxYxZz-files of installation steps including time. No need from some "changes"-file (note:it would be of course possible, to prepare/add .bash_history with mark lines with details of steps made in chroot!). As user, I don't continue tu use user / user any more: you must walk on divers places and lines of the keyboard. Why not x / x or x / . directly? It is on the space bar line at the keyboard!

Last question:

Debian/Devuan (?) includes in it's debootstrap list heavy localisation's packages I don't need: I know where I am. I find not good that the system helps to trace the user. This is the reason and force of the Puppy Linux (*1 community ;-) . A lot of members don't use some "save-file" or system: They save conscienciously their works in the system hierarchy or for ex. in emails to themselves being in the web... Can the debootstrap index amended before start?

(*1 as Puppy Linux is getting as big, is the combination Refracta + Refracta snapshot or Devuan + Refracta snapshot or Star Linux + Refracta snapshot an high quality substitute for Puppy-Linux!

Kind regards

#4 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] ceres installation through debootstrap » 2023-04-12 21:06:15


I did try today to install. Devuan is now it's own partition. But the system didn't find some /usr/local/bin/bind-mounts (this ../bin dir exists but is empty in the existing full Devuan system as well as in the new target. I would of course prefer to use it better than enter the sequence of the commands through the keyboard manually. Where can I douwnload it?
Kind regards

#5 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] ceres installation through debootstrap » 2023-04-04 06:31:23


Thank you very much for this best and clear info!

#6 Installation » [SOLVED] ceres installation through debootstrap » 2023-04-03 20:34:20

Replies: 8


I would like to try the re installation of Devuan Ceres using debootstrap.
The reason: I will made a very minimal installation but with X11 and JWM,
one minimal browser (the actual luakit browser is probably the must minimal
one, gv (or some other PDF reader if smaller as gv, and nothing else).

I did "search" now, if some actual way is proposed.
I live in Germany so I would prefer a Gernan or Netherland's depository.

My PC is an average laptop i7 from Dell (I use 3 different pieces of them).
Concerning debootstrap, I know only following information from Debian:

but it is very old now.

Can some one knowing debootstrap help to modify / actualize the indications
found in the Debian wiki page and extend the installation to the definition
+ x11 + jwm + luakit + didiwiki (didiwiki ist probably the most smaller smart
writer and can easily include drawings (see "help" within running didiwiki!) +
tools for xli and jpeg's + minimal sound tools plus 3 refracta tools (bases only -
it's enough). Files manager: clex is enough. I would prefer install in German if
possible without installing English too, but it is not important if not possible!

#7 Documentation » after Refracta-Snapshot... » 2023-03-29 21:06:42

Replies: 1


I have the need to reinstall my most big partition (size of last refracta-snapshot: 7,8 GB). As I don't will overwrite my (already damaged but yet working partition), I will try to install first time on a stick (or, if not possible on an other HD partition, but I would really prefer a stick even if it become slower: if it good work, I can repeat the same operation later on the actual real own partition of the system!).

All refracta-tools are already pre installed.

The 64 GB stick is empty. It contain a partition sdb1 with 30 GB to unpack this big 7,8 GB iso file.

What is to do?


I did already try it using refractainstaller-gui. It was probably the wrong tool, as it did not ask for some Iso? But he did permit to see, that a lot of mist is in the actual: the system did long minutes run on a hidden dir ~/.cache/browser/Default/Cache/etc what can contain nothing really interesting. I did cancel the stupid process. But I have no 2 problems:

Problem 1:
In the future, I will avoid to copy such stupid enormous collections of informations but I did ignore until today her existence!

Problem 2:
I would really prefer to restart with the last version of my system without this stupids enormous ballast. Has linux adequate utilities usuable after the reinstallation, because I can not erase myself somewhat I don't know the existence!


An other question:

Probably is the error I did made that I didn't
- install the snapshot iso on a stick for ex. with refracta2usb
- restart with the stick, and after that
- with the live system started so from new stick
- use refracta-installer-GUI (is already on the stick as it is part of the initial system)
- to copy the live system into a different partition, on the hard disk or on a second disk.

I did not do it, because I would try to
- spare the long time needing to copy the big iso on the stick
- spare the long time needing to see, if I have success concerning the operation system itself
- and my data as well I can know then are present / working!
and only after that overwrite really actual version / snapshot version!

#8 Devuan » no automatic internet connection (wired) after chimaera update any mor » 2023-03-17 23:09:27

Replies: 1

no automatic internet connection (wired) after chimaera update (today) any more

how to try to recover it pls.

I did start from USB stick where chimaera without other files is present




(snapshot did refuse to build ISO)

I did copy /home/work/ content into a free partition

update grub

an restart

Chimaera did start willing and all seem to work ...
... excepted the automatic connection with the wired internet modem.

Principal question:

What can I try to do?

Accessory question:

Can I, as soon I get internet again, update that new actual installation chimaera and upgrade it to the actual daedalus? Is perhaps a special way known or what can I try to do?

#9 Re: Devuan Derivatives » big memory stick 2 TB and refracta (or an other Devuan real or derivat » 2023-03-03 23:31:45


thank you very much for your fast answers. yes, I think about using the system on divers old laptops (all my laptops are old but my main laptop only has USB. as it is an old i7 8 GB 3/4 TB from Dell, I suppose it is not an usb 3.1 port. my next usefull laptop is an old acer emachine AMD64 2 GB 240 GB, but I own also 3 old laptops only with Pentium and max. 2 GB RAM (certain) and small HD. so I install better in i86 as for AMD64... and I suppose that only my main PC has so what exquisite like USB3!

I prefer to install refracta as I am interest in use of refracta snapshot as the stick is very big compared with my actual poor equipment...

the refracta ISO in 32 bit is also only a few days old in Daedalus, so the refracta tools will probably actually really work (last year, as Devuan announces do not appear at distrowatch, I did reinstall to late and it was later not possible for me to amend that problem as I did have yet to much private data in /etc, /root, and /home and have no adequate refracta config.file !

#10 Devuan Derivatives » big memory stick 2 TB and refracta (or an other Devuan real or derivat » 2023-03-03 22:09:00

Replies: 6

I did receive today my first big memory stick with 2 Terra Bytes capacity connected with the USB 3 connector of my laptop (having itself only 3/4 TB memory). The stick includes an unique file named «IndexerVolumeGuid». Gparted recognizes a /dev/sdb1 with 1,81 TB free in a size 1,81 TB. Pre used are only 62,47 MB. BootFlag is set on. The file system is named «exfat» by gparted.

I would like to install my REFRACTA daedalus from the new iso proposed since 20230228 to start directly from that memory.

Does it be possible?

What is the safe method to get an good installation with the possibility of course to use the rest of that big memory.

What is the best way to create new partitions (the same way as usual: gparted > create new table >> create one little partition >>> ev. create a casperss-rw >>>> create one or more new data partitions with or without unetbootin or refracta usb)

Can unetbootin be used?

#11 Re: Devuan Derivatives » GNUinOS - Libre » 2022-12-30 23:10:28


thank you very much for your fast answer!
I use gnuinos-5.0.0-daedalus_2022.11.05-xfce_i686.iso in full installation on harddisk, and did had in lot of steps following packages:

sudo apt install refractainstaller-base refractainstaller-gui refractasnapshot-base refractasnapshot-gui deborphan didiwiki viewnior mhwaveedit nted abiword gnumeric mgp sane-utils cups tesseract-ocr gimagereader gprolog lifelines

though I did not already use all, I suppose that all that works properly. all that was old from the last month, installed with ap-get in the full install.

as I did discover in the last day the new version from Devuan daedalus, I did try a apt-get update and constate that I have to update and did do it on the full installation.

with the updated installation, I did try my first refracta snapshot on it using the gui. it did happen very fast and produce an
snapshot-20221230_0120.iso.sha256 93 bytes
snapshot-20221230_0120.iso 1,1 GB
without any problem.
I did write it on a 2 GB memory card with fresh new partition table with an unique new partition FAT16 with boot flag using through "dd".
This starts pretty in an adequate card reader after reboot until the new system from the new iso search in the found partition but ends in a small console with the error message after relatively long searching informing that no new system to start was found in the founded stuff: the system did not find the system again on the stick where it did start.

I know no adequate command to enter in the small console to inform it where is /usb/sb1 and invite it to continue.

Does it give an adequate succession of commands?

#12 Re: Devuan Derivatives » GNUinOS - Libre » 2022-12-30 21:04:46



I wish all people a merry new year 2023!

Gnuinos for i686: the new release of refracta snapshot causes that the USB stick can't be found to start linux starting the snapshot from USB.

can someone having a good working version upload a snapshot INCLUDING refracta tools?

#13 Re: Installation » devuan_daedalus_5.0.preview-20220704_amd64_pool1.iso » 2022-07-08 19:03:43


I am a step more in my search of the possibility to install ceres!

The 5 GB Iso I did download placed on the Devuan Site (the official site) under

where we also find no README.txt but only a broken (hum!) NOTE.txt

If I continue to investigate, I meet following problem:

file devuan_daedalus_5.0.preview-20220704_amd64_pool1.iso
devuan_daedalus_5.0.preview-20220704_amd64_pool1.iso: ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data 'Devuan 5.0'

if I do the same with my actual snapshot isos, you will see the difference!

file snapshot-20220630_1739.iso
snapshot-20220630_1739.iso: DOS/MBR boot sector; partition 1 : ID=0x17, active, start-CHS (0x0,2,1), end-CHS (0x1ff,63,32), startsector 64, 1048512 sectors

you see the difference please?

there is probably  no boot ability in that ISO placed under .../installer-iso/...

hum !?!

how can I boot, can YOU boot it?

#14 Installation » devuan_daedalus_5.0.preview-20220704_amd64_pool1.iso » 2022-07-07 20:22:41

Replies: 8

It seems to be so as if that iso offered under "installer isos" would not be bootable from an USB stick where it was burn using dd?
Where is the usage of it described?

#15 Re: Installation » [solved] upgrade the installation to ceres or daedalus » 2022-07-01 20:44:39


Hi Rolfie

Thank you very much, yes, did know it, but also at the official download page, there is no CD-iso number 1 (one)!

#16 Re: Installation » [solved] upgrade the installation to ceres or daedalus » 2022-07-01 17:47:56



I remember now. I did visit the page … aller-iso/ and did renounce automatic as I did not find some devuan_daedalus_5.0.preview-20220627_amd64_cd1.iso and only the extrem big download     devuan_daedalus_5.0.preview-20220627_amd64_pool1.iso with release mark "1" is offered.

where is


to find?

@alexkemp and @xinomilo: thank you very much!

#18 Installation » [solved] upgrade the installation to ceres or daedalus » 2022-06-30 17:39:14

Replies: 13

I did try yesterday and today to upgrade a minimal installation from Chimerea to Ceres (yesterday) or Deadalus (today) and did have no success: the init-etc system doesnot work any more after that.

(With the consequence that the update-grub does not work correctly! The other installations, my good Chimerea, did not appear any more after that!)

I did also see, it is only a secondary constation, that the Refracta-Apps are NOT connected correctly with the old classical package management of Linux in the special app named "menu": they are not in. The base-app's no, and the gui-apps no.
Pls transmit to the mainteners...

How to install Ceres a bit more easy?

#19 Re: Installation » I am shocked: The most official way to install Devuan is TERROR pure! » 2022-05-13 18:55:17


the terror continues!

I did spend today all the (free) time to try to install devuan again in an new supplementary partition (my old one initially subject of this msg were convert soon in ceres and did be continuously updated and works well in 32 bit).
today, my purpose was to do the same in 64 bit.
as I did remember the terrible experience above, I did download and burn on a usb stick a "devuan" installation prepared and offered by refracta since begin of may 2022 (devuan_chimaera_4.0.0-signed_amd64_minimal-live.iso ) and hoppe it is possible to install fresh with that live iso.
the iso does not start at all!
after that, I did try the very hard way and to use the ISO devuan_ascii_2.1_amd64_netinst.iso from the devuan miror.
the iso starts and works.

but the success is exactly the same as above moths ago: the installation (expert mode) is not operable because no password for root...

you can not continue!

I did repeat this evening, with extreme attention concerning my entries, and I am absolutely certain at the second time, that die have no error.

but nothing to do to use the installation!

it is again a case of absolute TERROR!

resume of my experience last time (not today!) in 32 bit:

#20 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » pulseaudio » 2022-01-13 12:23:33


also, you don't know...

and you forget, that download files are terribly big because the not needed part for the video view!

(it was only an example: not all long songs come from youtube and some (long) videos don't come in an other form as direct listening in the browser (direct sending from events, congress, concerts, parlament sessions, etc.)

#21 Desktop and Multimedia » pulseaudio » 2022-01-13 08:07:18

Replies: 11

in theory pulseaudio is probably one of the best development for am universal use of powerful computer in multimedia as it allow to mix or and separate divers sounds in and output objects, but nobody knows how to really do that ;-)

my problem?

I will record the sound coming from browser with a small application (sox / mhwaveedit , gnome sound recorder) or a big application if that would else not be possible :-) ...

it would be optimal to have the possibility to select ONE of ALL opened browser tabs having to manage at recording time sound activities (for. ex. I record sound from youtube at opened and working tab 4 from firefox (for example "Learn Russian at sleeping time", those videos are very, very long, till ab. 8 hours) without some use of the actual standard output of my PC and look and listen at the same time using the display and the standard output the short daily news send by BBC "direct" stream at 12 o'clock because important news about new Corona restrictions did be announced etc (by I can and will not brake my recording job for that short news video!)...

or if not possible in one browser, same think using two very different browser (Firefox or Seamonkey for the one job / epiphany Gnome webbrowser for the second job)

is that possible?

how to prepare and realize such an action?

#22 Re: Off-topic » Boot iso from hard disk » 2022-01-11 21:24:19

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
hevidevi wrote:

my thinking is just copy over to say /dev/sda3/debian11/debian11.iso then use that menu config like so below ?

That would only work if GRUB is installed on /dev/sda3 (ie, if grub.cfg is being read from that partition).

Otherwise the partition it must be identified on the loopback line, like this:

menuentry '[loopback]debian11' {
   search --set=isopart --fs-uuid $uuid
   set isofile='/debian11/debian11.iso'
   loopback loop ($isopart)$isofile
   linux (loop)/live/vmlinuz boot=live config fromiso=/dev/sda3/$isofile
   initrd (loop)/live/initrd.gz

Replace $uuid with the actual UUID of the partition.

a great problem for me (as I will use exactly the same software on 3 laptops (describe above, for what an use...) all DELL, all i7, but different Dell hardware, ... and, logic, different firmware, as well different disk size, ram size according to the uses...) I would better never use UUID because each UUID has to be unique!

I always try to continue to prefer /dev/sdaN ...

but I must say, I don't know how the ACTUAL usages permitting to use that old sort of address of partitions are today, in GRUB, in each OS etc.

and search the right manual pages is not easy if you search translating the name you use in a foreign language (as the manual pages in French and German) are not always available (the non interesting pages being not problematic are about ALL present l-)  but the real problematic pages or, the new style of Debian, all in informations Web pages (and ancomprehensible manual pages, beeing not any more comprehensible, often because the word selection used in the translation of those man pages  ...) are difficult to find with search engines because you don't use the correct English vocabulary.

I don't know some Debian wiki beginning with:

Here are your access to all official manuals publish in you tongue (in black) and those also existing but not in your tongue (in red):

- newbie manual for this (black)
- newbie manual for that (black)
- beginner manual for this (black)
- beginner manual for that (red)
- administrator manual for this (red ;-) !)
- administrator manual for that (black)
- manual for x.
- manual for y
- manual for x
- manuals for (more) ...

- mixed alphabetic index for precedent topics (words in your language in black, words only available in English in red)

- mixed alphabetic index for main pages (words in your language in black, words only available in English in red)

this is the reason why you have to repeat along the year always probably always the same recommendations again and again and again in the forums...

Debian is made only for less than 340000000 people (USA) and under 68000000 people (UK) as well as under 38000000 people (Canada) as well (perhaps!) as under 5500000 people (Liberia)... It is ridiculous quantity compared with the world population (propab. ab. 8000000000 people minus the quantities named before) made linguistic colony from USA through ...
... Debian / Devuan!

Microsoft did understand that problem 40 years ago and present since 1985 a linguistic support for each part of the world totally adapted to each population...

I am not an enemy from English language (I have grand parents being English person having live in North of France, reality being not as rare as perhaps certain admit, and have English blood in me...) but I see the division of the world through the languages and the negative influences of that evolution, the building of blocks, especially in micro informatical sciences and this will create the exactly same consequences that in the years 1965..1980 where the USA did have to admit that a lot of technological problems were already perfect solved in common Russian literature (not being accessible for American people only because language as Slavic migrants were rare in USA...). I assume that tomorrow, as no people any more else Chinese (and perhaps Japanese) people is able to produce great CPU's, Debian etc. will live terrible future: Chinese and Chinese writing will have become the new standard as Chinese people needs nobody more now to develop her technological culture completely in Chinese writing (as Indonesian people does in Indonesian, like Chinese and English one of the most simple languages. Yes, Chinese is difficult but only the writing with the benefit, that all Far East can understand the text written in Chines as far they did learn the Chinese chars traditionally also used in her own language, Cantonese, Japanese, Koreans, etc. do that)! Learn Chinese, brothers ;-) being today to proud to admit we have to do as Microsoft in the past and BUILD ALL TOGETHER an uniform and complete base technical culture in each important language room of the world if we will avoid to create more negative world structures as today (differences in financial etc. levels)...

UNIX did have avoid that problem using about only man pages: all was concentrate in those and it was clear what was to translate in which language (the only one interesting extensions were unix man pages WITH examples of uses an hints. Different internet pages offer that...).

#23 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Devuan-Minimalinstall a bit like Puppy linux » 2022-01-10 21:53:36

fsmithred wrote:

I did today realize, that Refracta live use did hide some content of /home/user etc. I have to continue to experiment that problem probably solving through links and sub dir's in /home/user...

See the extensive rsync excludes file at /usr/lib/refractasnapshot/snapshot_exclude.list and edit the file to suit your needs. If you want to keep a file that is excluded, just comment out that line in the list.

Tank you very much, I will try it!

#24 Re: Off-topic » Boot iso from hard disk » 2022-01-10 21:49:40


@Head_on_a_stick and @xinomilo

I have some Debian-Live and Ubuntu-caspers (from Puppy-Dogs ;-) , a derivative of olds Debian Live designs) on the PC.

As far I can remember, it is possible to have more than one caspers system but only one unique Debian system with "live" on the hard disk...

As Devuan will be the conform extension of Debian with no systemd, the ISO's made by the refracta snapshot are based on Debian-live and a new ISO more seem to be outside the limit from one unique live system as a live system is already perhaps more than 5 years present on the disc...

I am afraid imageboot will require the same as it is from Debian or if used with a Debian like/compatible iso?

andyprough wrote:

Thank you andyprough

I got one of these short, stubby Samsung Fit Plus usb drives for that. Sticks out the side of the laptop about a quarter of an inch. Like one of those little nubs you get for a wireless mouse. … t-Plus.jpg

Most of the different usb drive makers have their own version. They're not expensive, like $8 - $10 for a 64GB one.

I did do so with 2 big problems: I use 3 different laptops daily:

the main laptop fest on an support arm on the table
(because bad view so it is high enough AND a keyboard with my really map US INTL (it is a relatively rare map as hardware! But I have such keyboards; perhaps French speaking families in the USA also because no way to write easily French with the real French map of France if you are not accustomed, to much is different including sensible chars like "m" (for ex. to write setxkboarMap :-)) , or numbers in passwords, user names etc. The French keyboard of France is terrible...)! The US INTL map is best to write about ALL MAJOR LANGUAGE of all the world, if you write then not too often. Nothing to install, user directly in connection with the US INTL map the site (you need only to install the adequate fonts!) and can immediately write Chinese, Hindi, Japanese, Russian, Tamil, Telugu etc!)
not movable any more with and because all cables fest wired on the support arm

the transsormer laptop with touch screen usable as tablet with or without integrated keyboard / pad

the light weight laptop with phone adapter and SIM card.

My experience is: I have never the mini stick with me as I need it!

This also is an important reason... But more, my mini stick connect unwilling on USB3 ;-( . If you have the stick with you, it is possible, you can't connect because unclear ancompatibilities... Also you need more sticks and soon you will have software differences from stick = from hardware, probably laptop, to stick.

no really, it is not the good solution! Why an Terra Byte(s) big HardDisk if it can't store all the software?

#25 Off-topic » Boot iso from hard disk » 2022-01-10 08:01:21

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A question more: I don't like USB hardware stick outside from my laptops because danger (one more) for the computer itself. I assume other users are also afraid about the same danger and did try to use refracta snapshot iso's directly out the internal hard disk?

What seems to be the best way to do that?

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