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#1 Re: Off-topic » now requires systemd » 2023-02-28 19:41:37

reltab wrote:


is this the right place for this message?

Err:5 chimaera InRelease
  The following signatures were invalid: EXPKEYSIG 1CC02413BFF88108 TDR Networks Builder <>
Hit:6 chimaera-backports InRelease
Reading package lists... Done
W: GPG error: chimaera InRelease: The following signatures were invalid: EXPKEYSIG 1CC02413BFF88108 TDR Networks Builder <>
E: The repository ' chimaera InRelease' is not signed.
N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default.

just bypass with [trusted=yes] after "deb" and before "http" in the repository line.. its nto a big issue, just another paranoic security layer

#2 Re: Documentation » [HowTo] Install PHP 8.2 on Devuan Chimaera (stable) » 2023-02-22 12:33:28

john2009w wrote:
mckaygerhard wrote:

i used php 5.6 and 7.3 "should not be used" .. pifff the problem with geek people its that confused security with fashion updates.. the excuse from upstream is security, but for that there are so many people working in such thing, like debian LTS with freexian repos

There could be vulnerabilities. 7.4 is just deprecated and what if new vulnerabilities emerge? And without official support this is a risk.}

It seems you ignored so many tbhings.. and is clear you dont know what debian LTS means. so your sentences are pretty from ignorant

john2009w wrote:

I used testing, not unstable. Also understand that I had to do that as a last resort. TDR repos did not have i686 support. I did not recommend this for everyone (please check NOTEs and WARNINGs), rather recommended to check backports first. This is for people who are willing to take the risk of testing the setup. Didn't have any other way, this worked, was fairly stable, so thought of sharing it. If this may have any problems in future, please point that out as it should be sort of a warning to what someone is getting into.

This is why 8.x should be in backports so that I don't have to jump through hoops just to get out of an unsupported version.

another sing of ignorant, currently unstable can work into testing cos dependencies between repos are "close", but that not will always work..

the same can be done between testing and stable, but as same, only when both are close, if stable its older its not so possible..

#3 Re: Documentation » [HowTo] Install PHP 8.2 on Devuan Chimaera (stable) » 2023-02-17 13:30:45

john2009w wrote:

Tested under a i686 install of Devuan Chimaera (stable) with runit init system and nginx server.

Devuan Chimaera has PHP 7.4 on repos which has been made EOL on November 2022 and should not be used.

i used php 5.6 and 7.3 "should not be used" .. pifff the problem with geek people its that confused security with fashion updates.. the excuse from upstream is security, but for that there are so many people working in such thing, like debian LTS with freexian repos

ALSO  mixing repos from unstable only works cos right now unstable and testing are very close in dependencies.. but this does not works as is.. so this guide is not so great neither secure ironically

#4 Re: Off-topic » now requires systemd » 2023-02-17 13:26:26

i already said this before, i mentioned that devuan conclave and kids must take into the TDE networks php packages and provide something like "devuan mentors" but without erasing the older packges..

by the way i am working in new releases of packages for older versions of devuan in venguli and venenux OBS repos.. i am always in sync with tde networks and making minor fixes

#5 Re: Devuan » Debian has fallen. What now? » 2022-03-10 15:52:30

zapper wrote:
larsH wrote:

Hi again

With the above reasons Devuan is not meant for you. So go and look somewhere else. Stop trolling, please.

Have a nice day
Lars H

To be honest, I kind of miss that troll, he was amusing, albeit, not always.

Meh, welp, easy come, easy go, it seems.

to be honest.. devuan has lack of manpower.. that's is a fact and is a good leadeership response to reconice that! but why ?

every time someone says that something is wrong as it works for the Veterans blah blah blah they assume that everyone does too..

don't worry... I still use devuan... of course only what works because for desktop it doesn't

CHANGED THE HORRENTOUS FIRST CHOSEND COLORS RIUGHT? goot one! as always.. wehre forced to change! XD

#6 Re: Off-topic » now requires systemd » 2021-12-02 19:21:58

i revised your packages and still have some issues.. it not integrated well and acl supprot are not enabled.. i will check again the php 5.6 today before upgrade my own repos at OBS and post feedback here..

your packages does not are in sync with the debian (and consecuently devuan cos it tracks debian ones) recently .. sopecificially php-common package

i not just criticis.. cos i also provide to yu the sources and changes in my ones.. … i:lamp-vnx

#7 Re: Off-topic » now requires systemd » 2021-05-12 12:47:23

thanks.. ! great! i will made some backports for still olders debians (non systemd) please could you fix the issues on php-fpm packages?, your packages when is used in a mixed (MX linux) non able systemd debian .. just break the php-fpm

i provide i386 versions of your packages but with some fixeds for php-fpm!

#8 Re: Devuan » Meet Chimaera's deepsea theme » 2021-03-19 13:04:29

Is the first time i praised a artwork made by devuan ... PICCORO APROVED!

#9 Re: Devuan » Why are systemd files present in Devuan? » 2021-02-27 17:03:50

dice wrote:

Well that is what devuan is about. packages have been modified and maintained to work for the devuan environment, for instance libpam-elogind over libpam-systemd.You clearly do not understand...

no I get it, but we want to be purists and we can't be purists.. we are not a free systemd distro really.. because we can't..  .. we depends on a distro that already is systemd focused.. so maybe a new way is the best.. ? cos the situation is so ironic

#10 Re: Devuan » Why are systemd files present in Devuan? » 2021-02-27 16:38:33

golinux wrote:

@mckaygerhard . . . if Devuan does not suit you, feel free to go elsewhere.

you always predecible respoonse.. is not rare devuan has some problems.. lkest continue guys wit this productive thread.. wheere was ?

#11 Re: Devuan » Devuan kFreeBSD » 2021-02-26 23:18:45

yeti wrote:
mckaygerhard wrote:

totally true.. but noted that most of that shit is windosers users .. in fact are hybrid people inflintrating in free softwware projects.. noted that almost haflt of them also works in some M$ project in some way?

facebook, micosfot, vmwaree, samsung, ibm nec, fujitsu, intel.. ORACLE!~ puiffff i retract .. not half or.. ALMOST ALL OF!

full of shit is linux today

#12 Re: Devuan » Why are systemd files present in Devuan? » 2021-02-26 14:53:09

dice wrote:

^ You can remove systemd all you like but if programs being built upstream are dependant on systemd then it is a bit of a conundrum to say that devuan is not really systemd free imo. Remember that devuan is a fork of debian! Its not like voidlinux or slackware or puppy linux. The same can be said for artix linux as they use the same package management as archlinux who use systemd for the init system.

umm in this way.. we are moving to sysvinit.. not passing to another incmpatible  environment.. so sysv.-init does not need all the systemd units.. but need some systemd proceses and programs.. so it not complety free and so then we will relly in systemd for evert? so we must use debian? .. my head are not in headhache XD..

i really hate systemd and i must work with it! puff

#13 Re: Devuan » Devuan kFreeBSD » 2021-02-26 13:39:30

Danielsan wrote:
yeti wrote:

I don't remember the timeline good enough, but there was a very unfinished Debian/kNetBSD too, plans for Debian/kOpenBSD, and there still is Debian/(k?)Hurd.

"Debian, the universal OS" ... is this subtitle still in use?

The de facto (k?)Linux monoculture this world is aimimg at is a danger!

That is actually the point, but this is not Linux monoculture, is Red Hat monoculture. I am totally fine with corporate shaping Linux the way they need with their distro, but it is disappointing when all the distros must follow its lead because it wants all the support available to develop and reduce the cost of the products of its portfolio, doesn't matter it is still free software. You kill free software when is developed with corporate mindset.

totally true.. but noted that most of that shit is windosers users .. in fact are hybrid people inflintrating in free softwware projects.. noted that almost haflt of them also works in some M$ project in some way?

#14 Re: Devuan » Why are systemd files present in Devuan? » 2021-02-26 13:28:37

fsmithred wrote:
mckaygerhard wrote:

nonsense.. i removed complety those files in jessie.. was a hard job of course and i not are a fashion software stupid guy so my jessie will be here almost 9 years more, cos i not need updates if i do not run server and nobody break a double nat protected provider of internet

It's not nonsense at all. You miss the point. I think it's fine for you to modify your system any way you want. The ability to do that is one of the best features of linux.  I think it would be very bad if debian made it official policy to remove all sysvinit scripts. Likewise, I think it would be very bad if devuan made it official policy to remove all systemd service files.

debian wheeze has systemd but no units file in first prevous release and works so is nonsense, there's other debian based system that complety removed systemd and use by default sisvinit files.. in fact debian policy WAS to remove complety the sysvinit files until some months ago.. so dont talk if you dont know what are talking

of course removing all systemd units will need a complete reimplementation in sysv style, by example runtime dirs and tmp dirs are now managed by systemd proceses..  as happened in php .. the init sysvinit script now uses the systemd creation of directory process.. so if you remove the units files dont harm in nothing the process but if you removed the systemd infraestructure of course you must turn back all the behaviour of sysvinit processes

based on that i just said.. it seems that devuan are not really systemd free XD

#15 Re: Devuan » Why are systemd files present in Devuan? » 2021-02-25 00:06:48

fsmithred wrote:

Removing systemd service files is the equivalent of removing sysvinit scripts. Doing so breaks interoperability and we absolutely should not be doing that. It also smacks of hypocracy.

build-deps are another story. The current advice is to build in a chroot so you don't contaminate your system. Maybe someday we'll have enough devs to fork everything.

nonsense.. i removed complety those files in jessie.. was a hard job of course and i not are a fashion software stupid guy so my jessie will be here almost 9 years more, cos i not need updates if i do not run server and nobody break a double nat protected provider of internet

#16 Re: Other Issues » php and sql server » 2021-02-20 14:50:45

ftusc wrote:

Thanks a lot.
Unfortunately for me this and other link don't work.
It only works when use PDO via ODBC via SQLSRV.

M$ products sucks me too. Unfortunately I have to interface with it at work.
Instead mysql and other free software databases integration works like a charm!

but more miscinformation.. the problem are two..

1. you need updated odbc fixed from freedts and correct odbc ini file.. there's some changes that i already send to "freddy77" but stil is happened as, check if your problem is related to MARS or cicled/anidated querys

2. php packages from sury and tdenetworks now has some problems, i corrected only php5.6 ones.. if you use php5.6 here are the solution: by addiding :

echo 'deb /' > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/home:vegnuli:lamp-vnx.list

curl -fsSL | gpg --dearmor | tee /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/home_vegnuli_lamp-vnx.gpg > /dev/null

apt update
apt install php5.6 (etc etc)

#17 Re: Other Issues » php-fpm in chimaera current » 2021-02-20 14:34:44

beate wrote:

Gives some insight into the situation - but the alternative packages still seem beowulf only. Which would be an option after reverting the switch to chimaera on the 2nd machine (which is stuck to the 2.6 kernel anyway) bot not for now. But many thanks.

that's why beowullf is debian 10 and chimaera is debian 11 (Bullseye) as always devuan related does not are at top of the problems related to shitstemd..

in my repository i am currently refined and tuned the  @tdenetworks packages.. cos he only removes the build flags but the se4rvice still are there, also there's no chimaera builds.. (debian 11) so check … i:lamp-vnx for uncoming 7.4 php package in next week (will arrive late cos i'm backporting, after that rebuilds are easy to follow the sury's crap)

#18 Re: Other Issues » php ported packages from sury know problem with 5.6 segfault » 2021-02-20 14:26:15

Ibackported and sync with the @tdenetworks php 5.6 packages and now the php5.6-http does not crash anymore in my build..

i follow all changes in debian salsa git repository, removing stupid or dangerous suspiccious coimmits like the "Don't pass URLs for missing files to PHP-FPM" (reverted later in php 7.3 and 7.4, but not in php 5.6 causing some rare behaviours)

now seems works..

#19 Re: Devuan » Devuan kFreeBSD » 2021-02-20 14:15:45

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
Danielsan wrote:

It was closed for lack of volunteers but I think it was a great idea.

It would be fantastic if Devuan could inherit and revive this project!

So I take it you're volunteering then? Thanks! tongue

we need a build environment.. currently only OBS provide this for persoinal test, the devuan build ci system forces people to follo devuan rules and in that way we cannot test property .. with OBS people can play with the package until get something refined and tuned! like my php fixed pacakges without shitstemd

Kfreebsd Debian/Devuan group:

#20 Re: Off-topic » now requires systemd » 2021-02-20 07:44:52

Php-fpm systemd status with one new discution: … =959174#72 and the normal hostile respoinse from the mantainer

#21 Re: Devuan » Devuan kFreeBSD » 2021-02-20 07:40:48

there's a Debian/Devuan kfreebsd group in Telegram that try to "makes something" but it seems there's no interest in somthing interesting..

#22 Re: Off-topic » now requires systemd » 2021-02-13 23:34:48

seems the "mantainer" takes seriously the issue: … =982574#39

we need to deal with mantainer that dont know about debian! incredible! … =982574#17 any one can send a mail to but mus send a copy to

many people start to use the sury repos and now confusing the problems with debian ones, we must take in consideratin that.. by send a well posted email to those address

#23 Re: Off-topic » now requires systemd » 2021-02-13 23:05:18

beate wrote:

As this problem will persist on the future - what is the current status of supporting php within devuan themself? And what about having a closer look to the BSD people, notably those of NetBSD and OpenBSD, who also try hard to remain as systemd-free as possible and thus have to deal with similar problems. .

This problem is persistent cos we dont join efforces.. tdenetworks gracefully made those php packages without shistemd for devuan users.. and devuan concalve just ignored event try to made as canonical do, another repo where contributors can work and made repos..

those php packages still has problems but i taken and made newer ones and fixed many problems.. that report are made by a partner of me, i solved also solved the problem of php-http module too!

I'm aware that this will be a wide field because maintaining php will also affect web server package maintenance - is there any way to cleanly draw separation lines between these fields (i.e. reduce the number of dependencies)?

there are several forms to deal with that:

  • taking in consideration the lack of infraestructure on devuan we can use the OBS platform and made extra packages for

  • send a bug to debian ar4e easyle.. the submission of requests and bugs must be done on a good basis, always alluding to the production deployment, or backward compatibility,

  • since the main problem of devuan is the lack of staff, unfortunately people like me (difficult to deal with) are the ones who collaborate the most, my repo solves all the bugs that these packages present

devuan VUA bla bla bla must take attention on those .. work close to freebsd community and alpine by example.. now it must be very good since (thank the gods) that centos thing came out of the game on the production servers of many companies.

I would like to avoid having to go back to compile the whole web server related stuff from sources (which i had to do some years ago due to too many undocumented changes in the setup of all this stuff in debian - a nightmare to people who just want to run their web servers)

people like me made packages, steven pusher made also for debian without shistemd stuffs, you only must take it and upload to your arch and rebuil at obs and works..

the problem with those are that not all the packagers in this way made good quality packages.. mostly are just to have it fast and present to make a live disk or something similar..

we have a telegram group dedicated to kfreebsd debian branch (only lived in wheeze and jessie) that just work with some backported stretch made packages that you can build at obs.. debian kfreebsd is just debian normal with different kernel, with shitstemd hard integration kfreebsd flavor stop to released

#24 Re: Off-topic » now requires systemd » 2021-02-13 15:43:08

i fount that and send a reply.. every one maybe we can make some kind of pressure, just send a mail to same address to make pressure … =982574#17

My answer at that time was indignation for the bad attention, they say
that the repos are in debian and therefore I ask... is served is in
github or debian, because in github refer to debian repos as official.

#25 Re: Off-topic » now requires systemd » 2021-02-06 19:59:33

tdrnetworks wrote:

it would be better if a team from Devuan or from the community were to adopt it and maintain the packages..

that0's i was talking about.. but seems from devuan team is not so much interest..

i'm working in .. i just finisshed some changes over 5.6 (well i started 5.6 cos i need it) and update patches..  if you dessire we can coordinate.. if you use a build environment i can pass to you the pacakges..

i have a couple of server to setup a small page and mirror.. but devuan conclave just ignore all of this effors..

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