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#1876 Re: Off-topic » Websites with Arguments against systemd » 2019-09-16 20:27:30
This is a classic! Debian and Devuan from the Parrot Project Blog
#1877 Re: Installation » firefox 52.9 esr » 2019-09-16 19:25:59
Maybe the solution is to not patronize Netflix.
#1878 Re: Installation » [solved] not Cranky anymore: Lenovo 300e » 2019-09-16 14:41:13
@crankypuss . . . there is no rat icon in the Xfce default desktop. 
#1879 Re: Devuan Derivatives » AVMultimedia with Devuan Beowulf: A powerful RAM based desktop » 2019-09-12 21:31:19
I will let those who posted objections and concerns take it from here.
#1880 Re: Devuan Derivatives » AVMultimedia with Devuan Beowulf: A powerful RAM based desktop » 2019-09-12 05:25:59
First an apology for not seeing this page earlier. My bad. If I had been more diligent you wouldn't have been bothered with having to post the above response. But probably a good idea to have it here so others won't have to go on the hunt to find it.
Anyway . . . your request was discussed today and our biggest concern was for possible trademark infringement for example:
1. Microsoft Windows logo on the panel applications menu
2. Programs in the LibreOffice suite are rebranded using the trademarked logos of Microsoft Office
3. Icons used throughout the desktop are largely pulled straight out of Windows 10
We understand why this approach would help to transition newcomers to Linux but hope you understand why that would be a showstopper for us. Perhaps you would reconsider that decision.
Other than that there were reports of incorrect screen orientation and keyboard issues and a wishlist item to be able to boot it in a VM. Those are not a big concern for us as we realize it is part of a process in which the Devuan community can participate.
As mentioned above, I am unable to explore myself because my systems are 32 bit so this post is a collation of others' comments.
#1881 Re: Devuan Derivatives » AVMultimedia with Devuan Beowulf: A powerful RAM based desktop » 2019-09-10 19:04:31
Another question: What else is needed to become an "official" devuan derivates (does mean to be included to the page 'Devuan Derivates)?
Devs will have an opportunity to discuss the next time we get together. I cannot test because I work in a 32 bit environment. Also note that there is active discussion on this forum about other derivatives that have never even asked to be on the derivatives list.
I am curious why you chose to build AVMultimedia on Devuan. You have not discussed Devuan on this thread or shown an interest to participate elsewhere on this forum so I'm sensing a bit of a disconnect. Perhaps you can help us to better understand.
#1882 Re: News & Announcements » Migrating from Buster to Beowulf - feedback needed » 2019-09-06 20:45:35
Helpful feedback from Mark Hindley on the DNG mail list:
I have just had a go in a couple of scenarios using a VM.
The basic process is:
1) Install sysvinit-core (if you don't have it already), remove libnss-systemd
and reboot.
2) Manually download and install devuan-keyring (wget, dpkg -i).
3) change apt sources from buster to beowulf.
4) apt update.
4) apt full-upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade.The process is not too bad, particularly if you have a very basic
install. However, the main issue is step 1) if you have anything desktoppy
installed (lightdm, xfce....). Debian's libpam-systemd unhelpfully depends on
systemd-sysv which in turn conflicts with sysvinit-core. So, by installing
sysvinit-core the whole chain systemd-sysv -> libpam-systemd -> policykit ->
desktop gets more or less removed. Of course it could all be reinstalled later,
but that is understandably probably too much for most users.I have already submitted #935304 which is being ignored and may well not be fixed in bullseye. Sigh!
In the report I point out that libpam-systemd depending on systemd-sysv doesn't mean
systemd will always be PID 1, which is (I think) the intention of it.So, I am working on a transitional package that could help in devuan to smooth
this out and not require the whole GUI to be removed and reinstalled. The basic
idea is that the transitional package Provides systemd-sysv and Depends
sysvinit-core. Installing it temporarily will satisfy libpam-systemd whilst the
system is rebooted without having to uninstall half of the system.Thoughts?
Mark
#1883 Re: Installation » Audacity 2.2. » 2019-09-06 18:38:20
You could try to backport it yourself. Perhaps someone here can walk you through it. Wish I could but alas not that adventurous . . .
#1884 Re: Installation » Audacity 2.2. » 2019-09-06 15:23:33
Welcome to the forum, Raul!
It looks like Audacity 2.2 is in Beowulf and 2.3 in Ceres (Sid):
https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pk … elease=any
You can try adding backports:
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged ascii-backports mainOr you could try backporting it yourself.
#1885 Re: News & Announcements » Migrating from Buster to Beowulf - feedback needed » 2019-09-06 14:43:41
I think that may be helpful an initial URL with the first basic intrucctions.
Good starting point would be the ASCII migration instructions here:
https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev … e-to-ascii
Do let us know if that approach still works or needs adjusting.
Problems are most likely to be encountered with full-blown DEs. WMs are more likely to survive a migration.
#1886 News & Announcements » Migrating from Buster to Beowulf - feedback needed » 2019-09-06 04:02:44
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Many of you have asked how you can help Devuan. Well here's an opportunity - especially for those who keep asking when Beowulf will be released!
There have been reports that the migration process from Debian Buster to Devuan Beowulf is not as straight-forward as Wheezy/Jessie to Jessie and/or Stretch to ASCII. If we are to offer migration as an "official" option, we will need to document specific issues and provide solutions in our documentation.
So . . . please roll up your sleeves, give it a try and let us know if you were able to migrate successfully from Buster to Beowulf. What issues did you have? How did you work around them? Are there any blockers?
May this be a long and productive thread!
#1887 Re: Devuan Derivatives » AVMultimedia with Devuan Beowulf: A powerful RAM based desktop » 2019-09-06 01:04:08
Note: Not much love for appimage around here . . .
#1888 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Plasma 5.16 » 2019-09-02 21:29:55
You can check which versions are available in which release/repo here:
https://pkginfo.devuan.org/
#1889 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » wine32 » 2019-09-01 17:08:35
I think part of the the problem in beowulf is due to versions mismatch. elogind in beowulf eliminates libsystemd0.
#1890 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » wine32 » 2019-08-30 19:20:05
This thread may help:
https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2987
Always good to search before asking. 
#1891 Re: Off-topic » Websites with Arguments against systemd » 2019-08-28 18:27:31
Are we really going down this road again? IMO the best analysis of all is here. Not a "website" but nails the issues in one post:
#1892 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » s6 on devuan » 2019-08-27 07:43:17
@Miyo . . . I was just going to post that. Happy to see that you found it.
#1893 Re: Off-topic » Marginalizing systemd » 2019-08-26 22:21:31
This is a question to be asked on Red Hat or Fedora forum. And best to do research before asking/answering.
#1894 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Random freezing on desktop » 2019-08-23 15:05:49
Skylake (and other *lake processors) have been troublesome for years. That may or may not be the OP's issue but there could be something useful in that thread. There are other references to Skylake on this forum too.
#1895 Re: Off-topic » Knoppix 8.6 — first wide public release to abandon systemd » 2019-08-23 04:04:17
That question is a total waste of time and mental space. It would be more useful to focus on what needs to be done for Devuan NOW.
#1896 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Random freezing on desktop » 2019-08-22 22:31:40
top or htop will let you investigate running processes. mate-system monitor is also useful (but pulls in quite a few gnome deps).
#1897 Re: Other Issues » apt https fail (beowulf) » 2019-08-11 18:54:45
Most devuan mirrors do not support https. Either use http or choose one specific mirror that provides https.
#1898 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Ceres 64-bit and cannot install wine32:i386 » 2019-08-10 16:58:31
OT observation . . . I don't think that there is a pkg mirror in the US
#1899 Re: DIY » Without Devuan , With Debian » 2019-08-07 15:15:33
No need to reinvent the wheel. Devuan already does that. All "safe" Debian packages are available from Devuan repos using Amprolla 3 to filter packages that would break Devuan.
#1900 Re: Other Issues » debian buster packages broke my system » 2019-08-04 17:37:46
Debian repos are already available in Devuan repos via redirect. Debian repos should never be used directly. Did you look for krita in ascii backports? You likely have created a frankendevuan. I am not one to help you out of the hole you're in. But I imagine a reinstall might be the only way out of this or possibly an upgrade to beowulf (which isn't really ready for primetime yet).
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