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zapper wrote:Why would anyone even want jessie now that debian 9 has been released?
Because it's boringly stable and trouble-free. I will likely run it till 2020 eol.
It does have older packages, but if you like it that way then you should get the updates.
zapper wrote:We need to work on jessie too granted, but ascii is more important in my opinion.
No new work is being done on jessie except for a few lingering pkgs in jessie-proposed. All attention is now focused on ascii. It's just that there hasn't been much focusing lately with August vacations etc. I keep hoping for some action . . .
I am sure things will pick up eventually.
zapper wrote:Why would anyone even want jessie now that debian 9 has been released?
Couldn't tell ya, I don't use Debian and really wasn't waiting for them to release 9 to start doing so, you'll forgive me if I don't get that excited or ever even really pay attention to what Debian is doing and don't care.
zapper wrote:We need to work on jessie too granted, but ascii is more important in my opinion.
Why?
Jessie is stable and works, it does every conceivable task I could ask a computer to do and does it well. By FAR the lion's share of users want exactly that, 99.9% of them couldn't even tell you what a kernel is, much less which one they are using.
The only people clamoring for the latest bleeding edge distro-breaking whizzbangs, are a very few users that need some newer firmware, and a bunch of hardcore linux geeks that must have the latest everything for reasons even they can't fully explain or understand.
Given those facts, it's more than a little ridiculous to try and lobby people like the VUA's (who are trying to make a nice stable operating system for folks to use), to give that up and focus solely on trying to break as many computers as possible with buggy untested unstable software.
Plenty of work to be done on the stable branch, it's just a stable canvas to work on, people haven't even begun to scratch the surface of what it can do, or how to put it together in new and better ways.
And not for nothing but there are plenty of things to fix left by buggy gnome and redbutt annoyance-ware, and if we keep avoiding those issues they will never get fixed, there are bugs in Mate that have been there for over 5 years and before that in gnome2 and are STILL broken, while Mate actually brags (..shudder..) about switching to GTK3.....
Not gonna push the VUA's to do things any faster by making posts demanding they hurry up or by belittling the work they've already done, just gonna piss 'em off eventually and delay things even more.. it's childish and it needs to stop.
People have no idea of the true mountainous amount of work that has to be done to put out a distro like Devuan, no idea at all.
Zapper, sorry, not all this is directed at you, just needed saying and you caught the short straw this time.
Don't worry about it, I don't judge you for this. it must be kind of frustrating not having any updates for a while.
he did say "busybox-syslogd and syslog-ng"
I can't believe this is out for so long and nobody caught it. Ceres has a single repository, ascii has exactly the same repositories as jessie (security, update, etc). Just switch all your jessie lines into ascii. If you had looked at the proper web page it lists exactly the proper repositories. This is for future reference as too much time has gone by.
I have in a way parked all my devuan installations waiting for developers to deal with existing issues.
It appears that the summer siesta hasn't ended yet or things haven't gotten in a rolling mode again.
It appears as a strange decision to release Devuan 1 and then go on vacation, it just makes the project
look less professional, or serious. Maybe they should have waited for September.In any case, those more serious about bug fixing seem to have concentrated on the list, after all they
are mostly debian escapees and they will not adopt to anything better. The logs of the list are next
to impossible to search and locate meaningful information. It has been that way on debian since the
stone age and remains the same in devuan.Personally if it wasn't for the good work from refracta/fsmithred I would have lost all interest in this system.
Why would anyone even want jessie now that debian 9 has been released?
We need to work on jessie too granted, but ascii is more important in my opinion.
I think at some point devuan should get its repos the same way debian does, by itself. Though that may not happen for a long while I am betting. I am just saying, forking debian is a good temporary solution, but it should become independent at some point. long term imo.
PS, I use ceres now, and I am enjoying it thoroughly. Just a thunderbird/wicd-gtk and bleachbit error and enigmail error... otherwise it has been fine and exceptionally good. Good job on ceres and ascii devs! now I think you also need to work on jessie also. I hope you do this soon... either way though, I will not give up on devuan for a long time if ever.
Oh! I didn't know you could run without a syslogger. If you want one, there are two other choices that do work in ascii. busybox-syslogd and syslog-ng. (You don't need it often, but when you do, it's pretty important.)
There are better syslogs you can use including a busybox version of syslog.
The Strange thing is, I have only had issues with thunderbird and enigmail on devuan unstable and the solution was found thankfully.
I don't know how I did it or if someone else submitted a patch but it is fixed.
Oh and bleachbit/wicd-gtk also. But yeah minor issues easily fixable. GO DEVUAN! hehe.
Try linux-libre or linux-libre-lts from this website + instructions... jxself.org/linux-libre
Also follow his instructions especially if you use libreboot!
Which I do.
If you don't want contrib and non-free enabled during the installation, then choose expert install, and it will ask. If you don't know enough to use expert install, your wireless firmware will be installed automatically, and you will be glad you have it. Especially if you can't do a wired connection.
It is somewhat difficult to access expert install on a libreboot device. So yeah... I wish I knew how to do that.
On Libreboot x200 you do not need any non-free firmware or anything at all.
Well maybe the ec firmware, at least until its unlocked anyways... hehe.
GNU wrote:What is the issue with ascii and ceres?
Amprolla, that is responsible for the Devuan repos, sometimes lags a bit behind the Debian repos. There are also more packages that need attention as systemd expands its reach. Focus now is on Jessie. Feel free to join in the effort.
Devuan ceres looks pretty freakin stable to me.
I just used it and my only error from updating was thunderbird wouldn't work for some reason. So I used icedove and for some reason that worked... weird but true...
Are you talking about https://gnuetertics.org? If so you should probably correct the spelling in the title.
thanks for the feedback my bad...
I would like a fully free devuan based 64 bit distro aka libre.
The sooner the better! If you would be willing to do this I will put my money where my mouth is.
edit: if this is a bad spot for my thread, feel free to move it elsewhere, I didn't really think before I posted.
zapper wrote:…/dev/mapper/gnuinos--vg-root does not exist …
(just guessing, after quick search)
… kernel issue?
… initramfs without lvm support?
I just (added it to a USB flash device that boots with GrUB4dOS, and) ran it live.
(vm envy)
I also tried the jessie image of gnuinos didn't have that problem although,
Gnuinos still has some freedom issues, such as firefox having pocket enabled...
and that it has firefox and not a derivative like icecat or even waterfox which still wouldn't be completely free due to the eme being visible and a nonfree repository aka mozilla addons.
I guess my point is, gnuinos needs some work. Still I am hopeful that this or gnueretics will produce something worth while in the future.
Login screen says Debian 8; I saw no shutdown/restart/suspend/etc options on it
Installer insists on adding bootloader (but respects redirection to partition), starts copying files without warning O_o
Good:Lxde, Customize Look & Feel; light & dark themes respected by Synaptic
I'm not familiar with simpleNetAid; only-connection "ens35" failed to (find device,) connect
¿Does this assume an internet connection will be present and active on boot?
For me, it makes a bunch of errors, and eventually drops to busybox.
heh...
also blk-update request fails
missing modules /cat/proc/modules
/dev/mapper/gnuinos--vg-root does not exist dropping to a shell!
ps I use libreboot so I am curious if that is why this happened...
zapper wrote:fsmithred wrote:Here's a test iso made from ascii that aitor just uploaded. This one will not boot into a live session, but if you could test the installer and report, it would be helpful. Thanks.
Hmm... sure I can try it if you want. tell me though, does this image appear in qemu form? If it does, or if you can tell me how to convert it to qemu form, I will test it gladly.
This is what I do:
qemu-img create -f qcow2 name-of.img 100g
In the directory where you made your image put your iso and:
sudo kvm -m (amount of memory for VM, i.e. 2048) -cdrom (name of image, i.e., gnuinos.iso) -boot d name-of.img
To start the image after install do:
sudo kvm -m (amount of memory for VM, i.e. 2048) name-of.img
HTH
This helps enormously. thank you! I really appreciate it.
Oh, by the way, any idea if, GNUinOS has the devuan ascii packages or not? Just curious when or if, I am still in the process of using qemu. I will let you know my findings...
Here's a test iso made from ascii that aitor just uploaded. This one will not boot into a live session, but if you could test the installer and report, it would be helpful. Thanks.
Hmm... sure I can try it if you want. tell me though, does this image appear in qemu form? If it does, or if you can tell me how to convert it to qemu form, I will test it gladly.
I hope it will work for arm in the future btw, eoma68-a20 as my reason of course c201 chromebook asus is also a good reason. not as good though.
there may be others though, but for me, eoma68 needs this.
64 bit processors will be supported in the future though right?
Very great project
I really hope the maintainer of this project brings in devuan 9 at some point.
Hi pekman,
First of all, thanks for your interest taken in Gnuinos. I'm the author of this distribution, and now i'm working on some applications in gtk. One of them is a new GUI for the backend of simple-netaid. Here you are the code:
https://git.devuan.org/aitor_czr/simple … ree/master
and here you are a video, comparing the behaviour of the status icon with the status icon of the original GUI (written in freepascall):
http://gnuinos.org/simple-netaid-gtk_2.mpg
The active wifis will be shown at real time in the future, as you can see in the following video:
http://gnuinos.org/simple-netaid-gtk.mpg
But, at the time being, there will be a "refresh" button for that, because i have to fix a Segmentation fault.
Another project is a new menu for openbox (also in Gtk), dynamic and multilingual. Here you are a video:
http://gnuinos.org/openbox-menu1.mpg
This menu will have also a static header (still not included), containing items like "gmrun", "terminal", "web-browser", etc... and a static footer, containig as a final item the "Exit" option (at the same developed in gtk, i.e. a new openbox-logout).
I'll also work on a device-manager-gui, for umout/eject, mount/open... external devices.
Shortly i'll start learning "amprolla", developed by Nextime. Gnuinos will use amprolla, vdev, simple-netaid and linux-libre (and OpenRC, maybe). So, the release of Gnuinos will take some time
Cheers,
Aitor.
I sent you an email, I hope you will succeed. Also, I hope you can get stallman on board for supporting you.
ps, why does it say it hasn't been updated for a while anyways?
just curious because on your website it looks like it has been two years since it has been updated, i mean the iso...
Aitor, I wish you the best of luck.
There is a lot I could say about this news article, but I'll let it speak for itself.
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/07/0 … _accounts/
I will say "Thank You!" to everyone involved with Devuan, from the dev team all the way down to the forum staff and my fellow users. With out all of your efforts GNU/Linux would be on a dead end road to over complexity, mediocrity, insecurity, and instability.
lazlo
Mediocrity, complexity, mediocrity, insecurity, and instability?
That sounds like proprietary operating systems... which reminds me...
how can something libre like systemd be as crappy as proprietary software?
That is some feat to make libre software suck as much as proprietary software.
Not a good one though, very awful, but a feat nonetheless...
gorisis wrote:Hello,
I would like to donate a amount of money on behalf of my company. Will I receive a statement or document I can put in my accountancy?
Many thanks for your work on Devuan.
Issa
Hi gorisis . . .
Thank you for supporting Devuan! If you need a special receipt other than the one from transferring funds from your account, you should talk to jaromil at freedom at devuan dot org to see if that's possible.
I am not experienced enough to do coding yet, but I wish there was an option for donating annually. I would gladly do that.
@zapper . . . you can email members of this forum (if they allow it) from their user info on any post or from their user profie.
Ah okay, Thanks. I will try then.
Stop dreamin !
This isn't a dream, I just gave him instructions. Although he should be aware that it just because it works for me doesn't mean it will work as well for him. Or at least that's what I am inclined to think, I could be wrong...
If I could give you an attachment, I would...
but since I cannot on the forum or mail-list
I will make it simple, you need three certain packages from a later version...
libfdisk1_2.29.2-1+devuan1_amd64.deb
util-linux_2.29.2-1+devuan1_amd64.deb
sysvinit-utils_2.88dsf-59.9_amd64.deb
then you install initscripts from proposed upgrades for devuan ascii.
then type: sudo apt install -s openrc
just to see if I am correct.
if I am, you install it. simple yes?
I think so anyways..
to install the first three packages, use dpkg instead of gdebi or it will utterly fail each time.
ps, if you give me your email, I can send them to you. It can be an alias if you prefer... I will pm you if you want.
also, I would install initscripts with aptitude and finally, let us know if you fail. By us, I mean the community.
if you need those three packages, I have them.
https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop
I am hoping to use that for the purpose of learning more about devuan and gnu/linux as a whole.
Whenever I get it anyways...
Can you perhaps tell me if this will be feasible in the future?
Also, is it possible to remove the 4,9 kernel and install linux libre 4.1 in its place and remove 4.9 so that when it reboots,
the 4.9 kernel doesn't cause any problems...
I was told 4.9 kernel + arm a20 do not mix well...
Any thoughts about this?
Edit: can devuan unstable run on 3.16? it seems linux libre 4.1 will be gone by the end of september...
linijkarz wrote:If your hardware is not capable [of running with only free software] - you always have the option of installing requiring firmware but you have to specifically request it's installation.
This is a necessary step to ensure that Debian/Devuan can reach to as many people as possible and It's a very good compromise.Well said! I'm totally sold on the advantages of free software (my laptop only runs software from the main repository, has libreboot instead of BIOS, and router runs LibreCMC) but I have to concede that Debian/Devuan's compromise makes more sense (for reason above) than completely eliminating the contrib and non-free repositories just to get an endorsement from the FSF.
By the way, a major reason why many people need proprietary firmware is for wifi. However, it is simple to swap a laptop's free software-unfriendly wireless card (e.g., Intel cards requiring firmware-iwlwifi) for one that is freedom-friendly such as the Penguin Wireless N half height mini PCIe card (available here), which uses the ath9k* module. I've done this swap many times and it's very easy--equivalent to a RAM upgrade except that there are more screws to remove and put back. The only thing to do after the swap is to uninstall the non-free wireless firmware you were using before, since you don't need it anymore
* ath9k is free software and therefore comes baked-in with Devuan's default kernel as well as with the more strict linux-libre kernel.
While I agee with this reasoning, I must say, there should be a default devuan install with nonfree and contrib disabled by default. Also, I think linux libre should be included as an option in devuan with obvious warnings of course! but yeah, if you have nonfree and contrib as options, you do get a larger base.
I just hope someday that isn't required to get a large following. heh.
FOSSuser wrote:…The manufacturer uses blobs …
… because they believe proprietary extremism works in their favor.
…
This may help. Until our hardware is as open as our software can be, we'll always be relying on the integrity of manufacturers.
Yes, EOMA68 is a good standard to support. That guy is the reason I use devuan and not debian now,
and debian as good as it was, is slower because of systemd. That and the concerns of security are why I ditched debian for devuan...
so thanks devuan developers for forking debian.
Hi David,
Instead of an antivirus, considering using these things instead: AppArmor, FireHOL, Firejail, and NoScript or uBlock Origin.
Phil
Exactly, I used to be that ignorant, no offense, but it is a lack of knowledge that makes people think you need anti virus for everything.
Use AppArmor + Firejail + Noscript + Ublock Origin + Privacy Badger
these alone are good enough to block a whole lot of crap.
Also, greasemonkey and AAK-Cont Userscript For uBlock Origin
and you are in good shape. that's my personal thoughts on this.