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#26 2017-07-22 08:51:41

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Re: List of Devuan derivatives

Use what suits you, that's what choice is about.

Personally, I don't want anything other than to get straight online with my wifi, a GUI, mp3 player, & a browser, even if it is only Dillo. smile

Quite a few experienced Linux users are of the same opinion, they want to start with a minimal usable system, & just add the programs that they want.

Having that option as a live distro just makes life so much easier.

If you want a full desktop environment with everything in it, just go for it & fill up your disk. wink

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#27 2017-07-22 11:30:53

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Re: List of Devuan derivatives

Here's one I haven't seen mentioned before...

Alien-OS https://sourceforge.net/projects/alien-os-mnml/

Alien-OS MNML (MiNiMaL) is a lean Devuan based Linux distribution with Openbox.

ATTENTION:
German keyboard layout is used. :-)

Features:
Minimal
Devuan and Openbox
64Bit
Small File Size
Refracta Tools
Base for your own distribution


I have been Devuanated, and my practice in the art of Devuanism shall continue until my Devuanization is complete. Until then, I will strive to continue in my understanding of Devuanchology, Devuanprocity, and Devuanivity.

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#28 2017-07-24 16:28:44

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Re: List of Devuan derivatives

mckaygerhard wrote:

Analising all the derivates Devuan based:

Winner: Dowse - http://dowse.eu/]http://dowse.eu/]http://dowse.eu/ ARM an rasberry focused, very featured linux, but not so light does not work well in older arm rasberry fist devices.. great project! but quite slower with older devices, specialized for those that need a rasberry and does not like debian with systemd

Second place: Exe GNU/Linux - http://exegnulinux.net featured! comes with something that other does not offer, trinity desktop, light but also some eye-candy, but as always slower with PIII and P4 laptops...

3rd: Refracta - http://www.ibiblio.org/refracta : featured the refracta software, nothing more that we cannot do in the current devuan
4th: dyne:bolic oh soon now a linux with dark theme with a ugly desktop, wel but YES FEATURED A LOT OF MULTIMEDIA SOFTWARE, well done at least

the rest:

Gnuinos - http://gnuinos.org : nothing special.. doe snot work well in some x86 older so why making light

MIYO - https://sourceforge.net/projects/miyolinux/ this can be analied due its a base system minimized.. mostly for those that wants to modify, not enought to start doint something only base tools.. does not featured nothing

Nelum-dev1 - https://sourceforge.net/projects/nelum-dev1 : very heavy, only devuan with some desktop pre-installed with custom theme, does not featured nothing that we cannot do in devuan install with 30 minuts..

Star - https://sourceforge.net/projects/linnix : ??? nothing more than a devuan with "light" desktop (mostly windown managers not more), bt 32bit does work slower in asus eepc and hp P4 based cpu

EterTICs - https://gnuetertics.org

heads - https://heads.dyne.org/about.html : when user download all the preinstalled software are outdated (kakaka, nonsense)

good-life-linux - https://sourceforge.net/projects/good-life-linux/ only a Devuan with LXDE preinstaled with a custom dark (ohh anews) theme

Crowz - https://sourceforge.net/projects/crowz/:  only a devuan linux with openbox or jwm with another "dark" again theme

Vuu-do - https://sourceforge.net/projects/vuu-do/ ?? uff i'm tyred...

I think you're missing the end-purpose of these spins/derivatives/distros. I can only speak for myself (yes, I saw your review on SourceForge, and I'm sorry that Miyo didn't perform as you wished), so let me briefly explain the reasoning behind MiyoLinux. As the description on SourceForge says, "MiyoLinux is a minimal and base system"; therefore, one should know that it doesn't "provide" much out of the box...and that's its sole purpose. The goal was to feature Devuan...not MiyoLinux...to give users a base system to build upon.

While many experienced users can certainly create their own Openbox DE from a Devuan netinstall, there are many users who are still learning. Spins like MiyoLinux (and others) allow these users to learn, explore, and grow in their knowledge...and as FOSSuser said, there are also experienced users who want to be able to quickly install a base system. Spins like these can be installed in just a matter of a few minutes...thanks to fsmithred's work on the Refracta tools. smile

I had a few "tools" that I could have included in MiyoLinux, but I chose not to for two reasons...

1. The goal was to bring more attention to Devuan...not MiyoLinux.
2. This is my own philosophy, so please take it as such. While "tools" are neat to use and see, they aren't really used that often. Plus, they negate a person learning and delving into figuring out how to do things.

In my attempt to shine the spotlight on Devuan, I also chose to use only the Devuan repositories...again...the spotlight was Devuan...not MiyoLinux.

While these spins/derivatives/distros may not provide everything for everybody, they serve a purpose...it just may be that they don't serve the purpose that a user needs...and that's okay. There are other users who are served by their purpose(s). If a distro doesn't suit a user's purpose, there are others that will. smile

Plus, I think it says a lot that Devuan lists them on their website.

It was all about Devuan in my case friend...not MiyoLinux. wink


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#29 2017-07-24 18:50:36

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Re: List of Devuan derivatives

i think so then that miyolinux must work directly in devuan and not divert the work.. its more productive as Debian does with derivatives projects

Last edited by mckaygerhard (2017-07-24 18:50:56)

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#30 2017-07-24 19:13:12

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Re: List of Devuan derivatives

mckaygerhard wrote:

i think so then that miyolinux must work directly in devuan and not divert the work.. its more productive

No it's not, more people using and experimenting with Devuan make for an extremely robust development environment, how do you think Debian got to be as big as it is? Much of the derivative work WILL make it's way into Devuan as it merits it, Refracta-tools is an excellent and shining example of this and how well this system works.

It is Devuan's wonderful attitude and specific encouragement of new developers and experimenters that drew me to it and keeps me here trying to make contributions in any way I can.

I have tried every one of those derivatives, and have learned something new with each one, and incorporated what I felt was best in all of them into the work i'm doing, and I guarantee you that the inclusion of these other developers work in mine has made my stuff at least 100% better than it ever could have been without it.

just my .02 worth.


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#31 2017-07-24 20:09:50

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Re: List of Devuan derivatives

can you detail what are incorporated from the oteher derivated work into the miyolinux? as i can see any docs about it

with that i can take and change my review!

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#32 2017-07-24 20:26:12

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Re: List of Devuan derivatives

mckaygerhard wrote:

can you detail what are incorporated from the oteher derivated work into the miyolinux? as i can see any docs about it

with that i can take and change my review!

Maybe if you actually gave one of my iso's a good test drive instead of giving it an "uff i'm tyred" (WTH does that even mean?), you might notice a lot of derived work from the Devuan derivative list. wink

Miyolinux is outstanding, you look at my work on Vuu-do and you will see that Miyolinux worked EXACTLY like it was built to, to inspire other folks to try openbox and make it easy to do so, and even to build your own system from it.


https://sourceforge.net/projects/vuu-do/
Vuu-do GNU/Linux, minimal 64 and 32 bit Devuan-based openbox and mate systems to build on, maximal versions if you prefer your linux fully-loaded.

Please donate to support Devuan and init freedom! https://devuan.org/os/donate

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#33 2017-07-24 20:33:45

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Re: List of Devuan derivatives

i got your iso, tested and have nothign more that minimal iso like a minimal devuian iso, please provide details... as i detailed in my review its just devuan with openbox,, same as thoers isos does..

as you can see all the iso was donwloaded and teste excep for the rasperry case, due my raspberry are quite older give me some problems..

i can tell you: miyolinux its just a devuan with openbox by default..  no more.. and that its the same that use the cd debuan and choose expert mode

if you dessire i can help with documentation, and some to made more information about your project but as its its not so clear

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#34 2017-07-24 20:39:01

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Re: List of Devuan derivatives

mckaygerhard wrote:

if you dessire i can help

That would be a nice change of pace. smile


https://sourceforge.net/projects/vuu-do/
Vuu-do GNU/Linux, minimal 64 and 32 bit Devuan-based openbox and mate systems to build on, maximal versions if you prefer your linux fully-loaded.

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#35 2017-07-24 20:39:54

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Re: List of Devuan derivatives

mckaygerhard wrote:

i think so then that miyolinux must work directly in devuan and not divert the work.. its more productive as Debian does with derivatives projects

I'm sorry mckaygerhard, but I don't understand? Are you saying that projects like these divert people away from pure Devuan? If so, Devuan doesn't think so; in fact, Devuan WANTS people to build distros based on their work.

From the Devuan website's main page...

Distributions based on Devuan

Various operating system distributions have already started adopting Devuan as a base OS. Here below a list in order of chronological appearance. When reviewing Devuan we do recommend taking derivatives in consideration: they harness the power of our base distribution targeting it at specific usage and this is exactly what we mean to achieve with Devuan. The default desktop provided by classic installer-iso images shouldn’t be considered the way we mean to use Devuan on the desktop.

If I've misunderstood what you were trying to say, I apologize.

mckaygerhard wrote:

can you detail what are incorporated from the oteher derivated work into the miyolinux? as i can see any docs about it
with that i can take and change my review!

Though this was a response to what greenjeans wrote, I will answer it. The only thing incorporated into MiyoLinux from another Devuan-based project was the Refracta Tools. The only documents that you will find regarding MiyoLinux are what's on the Sourceforge site. When I made MiyoLinux, I never expected it to be discovered. I thought that if 50 people eventually found it and used it, that would be amazing to me. It went way beyond that.

Friend, I wasn't offended by your review, nor do I wish you would change it. I know MiyoLinux wasn't/isn't perfect, but it suits the purpose that I envisioned for it. If it doesn't suit your purpose (or other's), that's very understandable, and I'm sorry that it doesn't.

I only responded to your post for two reasons...

1. Because I thought you possibly misunderstood the purpose of MiyoLinux.
2. The other projects. You seemed unreasonably critical for no reason, and I felt bad for them and all of the hard work and hours and hours and hours that they put into their projects.

I'm still using MiyoLinux and haven't had a problem. Not because it's MiyoLinux, but because it's Devuan.

Again, I don't want you to change your review of MiyoLinux. I have always appreciated any input, and I appreciate yours. Have a good day/evening/night wherever you may be friend. smile


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#36 2017-07-24 20:43:35

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Re: List of Devuan derivatives

where its the code, where its the process to make the miyolinux? what pacakges (apart of the very altered openbox ) are modified and where are the files? in sf there's no repo and i note the recently added wiki, i suggest gitlab or the git.deviuan.org

i suppost that git.devan.org must be the best place to those derivate work.. but are a little desert in that sense

i send a more private mail to coordinate

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#37 2017-07-24 21:00:14

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Re: List of Devuan derivatives

mckaygerhard wrote:

where its the code, where its the process to make the miyolinux? what pacakges (apart of the very altered openbox ) are modified and where are the files? in sf there's no repo and i note the recently added wiki, i suggest gitlab or the git.deviuan.org

i suppost that git.devan.org must be the best place to those derivate work.. but are a little desert in that sense

i send a more private mail to coordinate

The wiki has been there since the beginning. smile

I did make a "How to make MiyoLinux" guide at one time.

What packages are modified? The only modified packages that I can think of off the top of my head are changing the Exec= command in a few of the applications so that they open from the menu.

The only packages that aren't Devuan are...

1. Obmenu-generator (though all of its dependencies came from Devuan)
2. The update-notifier

Other than those two items, the only non-Devuan supplied items in MiyoLinux are some of the themes and icons.

Unfortunately, I have no desire to have a gitlab account.


I have been Devuanated, and my practice in the art of Devuanism shall continue until my Devuanization is complete. Until then, I will strive to continue in my understanding of Devuanchology, Devuanprocity, and Devuanivity.

Veni, vidi, vici vdevuaned. I came, I saw, I Devuaned. wink

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#38 2017-07-24 21:33:43

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Re: List of Devuan derivatives

so as you said, theres no more differences rather than a Devuan with just openbox ... one package modified and a very dark theme (now passed away in fashion)  .. so my review seem very exact.. confirmed by you..

so what can i post in a wiki that are different from devuan if there's no material or source repository to track?

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#39 2017-07-24 21:40:35

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Re: List of Devuan derivatives

MiyoLinux wrote:

1. Obmenu-generator (though all of its dependencies came from Devuan)

Hey before I forget, Trizen pushed an update to the main obmenu-generator perl script a couple days ago, says "minor tweaks" but there's a fair bit of extra code, it works but have not tested it thoroughly yet.


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#40 2017-07-24 22:19:09

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Re: List of Devuan derivatives

mckaygerhard wrote:

so as you said, theres no more differences rather than a Devuan with just openbox ... one package modified and a very dark theme (now passed away in fashion)  .. so my review seem very exact.. confirmed by you..

so what can i post in a wiki that are different from devuan if there's no material or source repository to track?

I don't know what to tell you mckaygerhard.

I guess you can tell people through your wiki that with Devuan, you can make it your own. wink


I have been Devuanated, and my practice in the art of Devuanism shall continue until my Devuanization is complete. Until then, I will strive to continue in my understanding of Devuanchology, Devuanprocity, and Devuanivity.

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#41 2017-07-24 22:20:19

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Re: List of Devuan derivatives

greenjeans wrote:
MiyoLinux wrote:

1. Obmenu-generator (though all of its dependencies came from Devuan)

Hey before I forget, Trizen pushed an update to the main obmenu-generator perl script a couple days ago, says "minor tweaks" but there's a fair bit of extra code, it works but have not tested it thoroughly yet.

Thank you sir. I'll check in and around on it. smile


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#42 2017-07-24 22:24:53

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Re: List of Devuan derivatives

MiyoLinux wrote:

I guess you can tell people through your wiki that with Devuan, you can make it your own. wink

Yes. That's a good part of what derivatives are all about.  Make it your own and pass it on.  Many candles lit from one flame . . .

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#43 2017-07-24 22:29:10

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Re: List of Devuan derivatives

golinux wrote:

Many candles lit from one flame . . .

That is a beautiful and spot-on analogy ma'am. wink


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#44 2017-07-24 23:16:27

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Re: List of Devuan derivatives

MiyoLinux wrote:

I guess you can tell people through your wiki that with Devuan, you can make it your own. wink

well its a base system, usefully to start to work on a derivate,  but still hangs when used the mupen64plus..  in older machines, so then its the same as devuan that also hang and any other recent linux in older machine (and next kernel now removed support for olde cpou urrggg well nothing its forever)

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#45 2017-07-24 23:45:43

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Re: List of Devuan derivatives

mckaygerhard wrote:

well its a base system, usefully to start to work on a derivate,  but still hangs when used the mupen64plus..  in older machines, so then its the same as devuan that also hang and any other recent linux in older machine (and next kernel now removed support for olde cpou urrggg well nothing its forever)

To be honest, I had never heard of mupen64plus until today. It sounds interesting.

I'm a MarioKart8 player myself, but I use the WiiU. Not sure how it works (or if it works) with mupen64plus, but if you're ever racing someone from the US with the name MiyoLinux...that's me. big_smile

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#46 2017-07-25 00:08:52

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Re: List of Devuan derivatives

greenjeans wrote:

Hey before I forget, Trizen pushed an update to the main obmenu-generator perl script a couple days ago, says "minor tweaks" but there's a fair bit of extra code, it works but have not tested it thoroughly yet.

Speaking of obmenu-generator...have you tried upgrading from Jessie to Ascii with your builds? If so, have you figured out why obmenu-generator kicks the bucket on Ascii? I'm in the process of trying to figure it out as time permits.

What's strange is...before I switched to Devuan, I built several Openbox systems on Debian Stretch (while it was still Testing), and obmenu-generator always worked on those. I'm thinking some depends must be missing from the upgrade in Devuan from Jessie to Ascii? Not sure yet though. I didn't even notice this until I tried an upgrade in Devuan about a week ago. tongue


I have been Devuanated, and my practice in the art of Devuanism shall continue until my Devuanization is complete. Until then, I will strive to continue in my understanding of Devuanchology, Devuanprocity, and Devuanivity.

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#47 2017-07-25 00:23:13

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Re: List of Devuan derivatives

ah dont worry .. its a old game.. predecesor of that you are playing... its nintendo64 fro 90's / 2000's  i'm taking about emulators on older machines.. each day passed and each upgrade made, runs more slower and linux ask for more resources.. its a pain... like MS does ...

i quite busy now with some gambas projects, but at night each day i search and made some things in the devuan.. due the current Debian politics i must use it ...

i'll change the review at sourceforge later ok.. and titled miyoliunx as basefor modifications...

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#48 2017-07-25 01:00:08

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Re: List of Devuan derivatives

mckaygerhard wrote:

ah dont worry .. its a old game.. predecesor of that you are playing... its nintendo64 fro 90's / 2000's  i'm taking about emulators on older machines.. each day passed and each upgrade made, runs more slower and linux ask for more resources.. its a pain... like MS does ...

i quite busy now with some gambas projects, but at night each day i search and made some things in the devuan.. due the current Debian politics i must use it ...

i'll change the review at sourceforge later ok.. and titled miyoliunx as basefor modifications...

I appreciate your willingness to change the review, but I don't want you to. Let it stay as is. smile

All that I would like is for people to hopefully understand what a particular spin/derivative/distro is geared toward. Once that is determined, then one can hopefully ascertain if a particular spin/derivative/distro will suit what they are looking for. smile

If I failed to describe the purpose of MiyoLinux in a clear manner, then I apologize.

Take care. smile


I have been Devuanated, and my practice in the art of Devuanism shall continue until my Devuanization is complete. Until then, I will strive to continue in my understanding of Devuanchology, Devuanprocity, and Devuanivity.

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#49 2017-07-29 10:23:18

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Re: List of Devuan derivatives

aitor wrote:

Hi pekman,

First of all, thanks for your interest taken in Gnuinos. I'm the author of this distribution, and now i'm working on some applications in gtk. One of them is a new GUI for the backend of simple-netaid. Here you are the code:

https://git.devuan.org/aitor_czr/simple … ree/master

and here you are a video, comparing the behaviour of the status icon with the status icon of the original GUI (written in freepascall):

http://gnuinos.org/simple-netaid-gtk_2.mpg

The active wifis will be shown at real time in the future, as you can see in the following video:

http://gnuinos.org/simple-netaid-gtk.mpg

But, at the time being, there will be a "refresh" button for that, because i have to fix a Segmentation fault.

Another project is a new menu for openbox (also in Gtk), dynamic and multilingual. Here you are a video:

http://gnuinos.org/openbox-menu1.mpg

This menu will have also a static header (still not included), containing items like "gmrun", "terminal", "web-browser", etc... and a static footer, containig as a final item the "Exit" option (at the same developed in gtk, i.e. a new openbox-logout).

I'll also work on a device-manager-gui, for umout/eject,  mount/open... external devices.

Shortly i'll start learning "amprolla", developed by Nextime. Gnuinos will use amprolla, vdev, simple-netaid and linux-libre (and OpenRC, maybe). So, the release of Gnuinos will take some time smile

Cheers,

  Aitor.

I sent you an email, I hope you will succeed. Also, I hope you can get stallman on board for supporting you. smile

ps, why does it say it hasn't been updated for a while anyways?
just curious because on your website it looks like it has been two years since it has been updated, i mean the iso...

Aitor, I wish you the best of luck.

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