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#951 Re: ARM Builds » mnt reform support? » 2020-09-13 00:25:01
zapper wrote:Heh, I guess I did really have a lot of interest in it to the point where there was some emotion,
I wonder what the strongest emulator it could handle would be though, dosbox or desmume?
Regardless, 4gbs of ram would be enough for a web browser like palemoon and some emulator on at the same time like desmume, dosbox or something I would think.
I also use i3wm anyways.
I don't like any DE's except lumina. too much bloat man...
Well, maybe by 2022 theyll have a processor with quad core a72's.
Who knows right?
The developer did say was planning to sell new motherboard configurations with it in the future. I don't know what processors will be used in the 2022 version, but who knows. That's 2 years away.
meh...
I understand that, I also feel the same..
To be honest, I don't know, but mnt reform should handle them
They are using the Same CPU in the laptop that goes into the Purism Librem 5 Smartphone( At least it was initially planned, but I don't know if something changed from that moment til now.. probably some things have changed.. ):
https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/It has very nice features apart from the cpu/Ram, like mechanical keyboard, the mouse trackball, the storage, cpu accelerators for internet packets, and so on, but the price/limited cpu performance/Ram is a no go for me
They should had go with the NXP iMX8QuadMax or the most powerful cortex-a72 octacore NXP LS2088A( 2Ghz ), and 8 GB of Ram to justify the price tag..
Have you took a look at the ASUS Chromebook C201:
https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=3789its also a option, tough the keyboard would not be comparable with the mnt reform, and the storage is limited, but for a netbook it seems quite ok..
But only If you manage to get a 4GB Ram..
Also the Ram is LPDDR3 nor LPDDR4.. but it has a nice performance..
The most probable is that, if you want to get all functionality, you will have to use some binary blobs , here and there..
If it can handle an emulator like desmume and palemoon or two emulators and palemoon, than it would probably be good enough for me till they get a better processor.
I wonder what the most recent, fastest processor type that you can get without having any remote backdoors/blobs is with 4gbs of ram or more obviously and if possible LPDDR4, 
Anyways thanks for the thoughts.
By the way, keep this also in mind for 2022 or later
balthazar.space
apparently, someone is planning something similiar, only with risc-v. Although its possible they may have to make an arm implemenation first.
EDIT: I also wonder if the mnt reform can handle qemu with a 64 bit os. If I had to guess, that would take up probably 100% of the cpu. So I probably wouldn't even attempt that. Till they get another processor thats 2x faster or more.
By this I mean, a virtual machine within an existing os.
#952 Re: ARM Builds » mnt reform support? » 2020-09-12 05:50:18
zapper wrote:Hmm, so they are similiar regarding preformance? is it just then the graphics that are better on a72?
That's what it looks like to me.
Like I said before, It seems more powerful than the Pine64 PINEBOOK or the Olimex Teres I..
But just don't expect it to be a lot more powerful, in processing power, than those, maybe some 30% faster..
It should have better disk performance, better network performance, better graphics than the Pine64 PINEBOOK or the Olimex Teres I..But that's it..
For it to compete with a Core2Duo you would need a lot more powerful cpu..
So the comparison with the RPi3( that you made above ), seems adequate, even thought it would be better than the rpi3, but just don't expect it to perform like a core2Duo..x86 cpu's operate in the 2-4Ghz range, they have big caches on them, this cpu works only at max. 1.5Ghz and has small caches on it..
Also it has a in-order pipeline( x86 have out of order which are faster, but also less secure.. )They are different things..
For a netbook, like email, chat,web( a bit limited ), ssh, and such its ok, for more than that... its to forgetI mean, the concept, the Idea, is fine but the raw processing power is not there yet..
if they had choose the NXP LS2088A, I would consider it has a option( also 4GB of Ram is nothing nowadays.. ), even the rpi4 now has a option for 8GB of Ram..This is my Opinion on how I see it( taking out of the equation the emotional part of it )
Heh, I guess I did really have a lot of interest in it to the point where there was some emotion,
I wonder what the strongest emulator it could handle would be though, dosbox or desmume?
Regardless, 4gbs of ram would be enough for a web browser like palemoon and some emulator on at the same time like desmume, dosbox or something I would think.
I also use i3wm anyways. I don't like any DE's except lumina. too much bloat man...
Well, maybe by 2022 theyll have a processor with quad core a72's.
Who knows right?
The developer did say was planning to sell new motherboard configurations with it in the future. I don't know what processors will be used in the 2022 version, but who knows. That's 2 years away.
meh...
#953 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Beowulf crashes often » 2020-09-12 02:56:05
I'm using backports kernel, and the newest nVidia drivers in the .run package from nVidia's website.
glenn@GamesBox ~ $ inxi -F System: Host: GamesBox Kernel: 5.7.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: KDE Plasma 5.14.5 Distro: Devuan GNU/Linux 3 (beowulf) Machine: Type: Desktop Mobo: ASUSTeK model: ROG STRIX X470-F GAMING v: Rev X.0x serial: <root required> UEFI [Legacy]: American Megatrends v: 5406 date: 11/13/2019 CPU: Topology: 8-Core model: AMD Ryzen 7 2700X bits: 64 type: MT MCP L2 cache: 4096 KiB Speed: 1913 MHz min/max: 2200/3700 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 1990 2: 1979 3: 2001 4: 2055 5: 1895 6: 1937 7: 2193 8: 2078 9: 1964 10: 1912 11: 2032 12: 1912 13: 2190 14: 2139 15: 2045 16: 2188 Graphics: Device-1: NVIDIA GP106 [GeForce GTX 1060 6GB] driver: nvidia v: 450.57 Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.4 driver: nvidia resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz OpenGL: renderer: GeForce GTX 1060 6GB/PCIe/SSE2 v: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 450.57 Audio: Device-1: NVIDIA GP106 High Definition Audio driver: snd_hda_intel Device-2: Roland EDIROL UA-25EX type: USB driver: snd-usb-audio Sound Server: ALSA v: k5.7.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 Network: Device-1: Intel Wireless-AC 9260 driver: iwlwifiI get occasional lockups in my web-browser Palemoon when using facebook.
I suspect facebook is sucking the life out of me and my computer, but I digress.
I have only installed proprietary drivers two times on computers, on one it was an hp laptop. Debian and devuan, didn't matter, it was so buggy that even a wifi adapter usb doesn't help. Thus that particular laptop is stuck with ethernet only wifi. Why bother with a wifi blob if it only works for the first 15 mins of being booted after all...
The other time though I used the blob was on an old desktop pc, for booting it up. And there were no issues
Does your laptop function without nvidia, if so, I recommend it. proprietary blobs have unknown consequences. Security/privacy and who knows what else.
That's just me though, I am sure you are aware of this though.
I just wondered why anyone would take that risk. Then again I use a thinkpad x200 libreboot (Hyperbola) on the daily for certain things.
For gaming, such as wine, I use x230 thinkpad (devuan)
But that all being said, if you don't need it, I would avoid it.
I hope you figure out what to do....
I suppose you could try testing version.
Just don't use ceres. that would be really, really dumb.
#954 Re: ARM Builds » mnt reform support? » 2020-09-11 22:06:48
Hmm, so they are similiar regarding preformance? is it just then the graphics that are better on a72?
That's what it looks like to me.
#955 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Beowulf crashes often » 2020-09-11 19:50:45
The only time I had problems with devuan beowulf so far is when i switch from openrc to runit... 
#956 Re: ARM Builds » mnt reform support? » 2020-09-11 19:49:43
tuxd3v wrote:It seems more powerful than the Pine64 PINEBOOK
It is less powerful than the Pinebook Pro (which has a Coretex A72 for the heavy lifting) but five times the price...
Well, can you tell me something, is it the graphics card which is too slow, or the cpu speed and if so, what is the difference between
A53 and A72 in speed as well as graphics wise?
I don't care much about new graphics too much, but I do care about cpu speed somewhat
I want it to be faster than my librebooted x200, it has a gen 2 intel processor without intel me on it.
Also, mnt reform has 4gbs of ram, it being a 64 bit processor.... would it be twice as fast as a raspberry pi3+
I have heard people say it is faster than a raspberry pi 3 b+ due to processing power, etc...
I guess I should wait before I consider buying this right? Is that your point? Aka, see how people react to its design/speed?
Just looking for some advice I guess... heh.
If you have nothing further to say, I apologize for wasting your time. Just curious man...
#957 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Post Your Sources List » 2020-09-09 21:43:58
zapper wrote:I think the testing version must not have a security repo
No, there is no security repository for testing. See https://www.debian.org/security/faq#testing
Nor is there a testing-updates repository. You might want to also read https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debi … .html#s3.1
The links are from the Debian FAQs but the information also applies to Devuan.
Ah, okay, I wonder why i dont get errors from the testing-updates repo then... weird... very "weird"]
Although maybe I do and haven't noticed...
#958 Re: ARM Builds » mnt reform support? » 2020-09-09 21:42:55
zapper wrote:would it be faster than the thinkpad x200?
I really have no idea, sorry. Try searching for processor benchmarks.
Heh, I have actually done so, but to no avail...
Although, I looked on reddit and some people seem to say it will be as fast as a raspberry pi 3 B+
I am curious what that would look like. for stuff like, palemoon, firefox, libreoffice, focuswriter, etc...
Actually I should've said faster... but yeah. still i wonder what that places the speed level on compared to an x200, i would guess its faster, but the question is by how much.
#959 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Post Your Sources List » 2020-09-09 05:17:39
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ chimaera main
deb-src http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ chimaera main
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ chimaera-security main
deb-src http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ chimaera-security main
# beowulf-updates, previously known as 'volatile'
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ chimaera-updates main
deb-src http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ chimaera-updates main
deb https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/debian/ bullseye main
#
deb https://mirror.cyberbits.eu/linux-libre/freesh/ freesh main
These are my sources
However I think the testing version must not have a security repo, because chimaera-security always gives errors.
aka 404 not found.
#960 Re: ARM Builds » mnt reform support? » 2020-09-09 05:16:03
zapper wrote:but wouldn't it be as fast a thinkpad x230?
I doubt it, those A53 cores aren't very fast at all and the Coretex-M4F is only 32-bit. It would be much better if they used a Snapdragon 8cx but I suppose that would hit their profit margin too much.
But at least it uses an open-source compatible graphics chip, unlike the PineBook Pro and it's shitty Mali GPU.
Tell me, would it be faster than the thinkpad x200? and if so, by how much?
just wondering, as i want a more secure laptop then my libreboot x200 for my lightweight tasks.
#961 Re: ARM Builds » mnt reform support? » 2020-09-08 06:25:50
Hmm... so its not as fast as a thinkpad x230? can anyone who uses a similiar setup aka, with a similiar processor, give any confirmation?
I am sure its faster than my libreboot x200 though. IF nothing else... and that would be good enough for me probably. Libre wifi card, nvme ssd,
I guess it really depends on your use case, etc...
It might be fast enough or it might not, I have no idea at the moment. But I am also interested in this:
balthazar.space
The laptop on that webpage. This is the news so far:
#962 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Post Your Sources List » 2020-09-08 06:17:26
My thinkpad x230 is on chimaera devuan due to some issues I had with changing from openrc to runit and also like the poster, I also have the same wine repo,
But I also have jxself.org's linux-libre repo. I will post the exacts later, I am not using that laptop right now
This is being typed from my x200 thinkpad. The one with Hyperbola.
#963 Re: ARM Builds » mnt reform support? » 2020-09-03 16:28:41
That is an interesting device but it's over-priced and under-powered (IMO). And they claim it runs Debian 11, which doesn't exist (yet). If they actually mean Debian bullseye then Devuan chimaera should also work on it.
Overpriced yes, but wouldn't it be as fast a thinkpad x230? They probably meant thought that debian 11 would be out by now. 
Yeah it should
I say that about its speed because arm is only like 2-5 years behind in speed.
But there is one good thing, the wifi card is libre and really the only minor problem is that non-arm boot blob, which appears to not have any remote issues according to the developer of mnt reform.
Also forgot to mention, its modular and likely to be upgraded over time.
#964 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Alternative browser for Devuan/Debian - Brave » 2020-09-03 16:26:22
zapper wrote:HevyDevy wrote:I did a few months ago, the non free aspect of it killed my hopes of a working wifi connection though, no free drivers so i was stuck tethered to the phone for network. Good distro though and you can make it really lightweight and resource friendly. Iceweasel was good and worked ok, addons are not very straight forward and you cant just add them from firefox if memory serves me correct.
It depends, I have done exactly that with xul firefox addons to iceweasel-uxp. Webextension ones, no way in hell though.
One laptop i have devuan on for gaming, but otherwise they will be running hyperbola from now on.
So you think the mozilla addons are not really a safe option? Like say ublock origin for firefox-esr ?
hyperbola have an interesting future ahead, im looking forward to seeing what they come up with in regards to porting openbsd.
Yeah, Hyperbola does have an interesting future, they plan to support arm based devices and x86 based ones, meaning 32 bit and 64 bit.
As for mozilla, I just feel like they have forgotten what matters to users. They keep trying to add unneeded anti features and are allowing google to taint them further and further.
Palemoon is what I use on devuan btw...
2 Laptops = Hyperbola
1 = Devuan (gaming one) but even that one has a linux-libre-4.19 kernel.
Although gnu and linux are both starting to concern me, so its good Hyperbola is moving forward with their goals. Oh and btw, if anyone wants to support the old noscript, https://github.com/hackademix/noscript-classic
for people who use the xul web browsers aka...
#965 Re: ARM Builds » mnt reform support? » 2020-09-03 16:19:53
You say that "Debian apparently will support this soon." Do you mean instead, that the platform will support running Debian on it? I expect that if it runs Debian, then it should be possible to get Devuan on it.
Yeah thats what I meant. Indeed, i hope your right, I will say, if HyperbolaBSD gets a beta out, I might use that... but as for early on, meaning till 2022 or something if I get it, most likely devuan.
I mention HyperbolaBSD/Hyperbola here only for one reason, while I wait for them to support the device or indeed have an os, I will likely be using devuan on that laptop if I order one.
#966 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Alternative browser for Devuan/Debian - Brave » 2020-09-02 22:45:39
randomer wrote:Has anyone tried Hyperbola and their fork of Basilisk, Iceweasel-UXP? https://wiki.hyperbola.info/doku.php?id … redirect=1
I did a few months ago, the non free aspect of it killed my hopes of a working wifi connection though, no free drivers so i was stuck tethered to the phone for network. Good distro though and you can make it really lightweight and resource friendly. Iceweasel was good and worked ok, addons are not very straight forward and you cant just add them from firefox if memory serves me correct.
It depends, I have done exactly that with xul firefox addons to iceweasel-uxp. Webextension ones, no way in hell though.
One laptop i have devuan on for gaming, but otherwise they will be running hyperbola from now on.
#967 ARM Builds » mnt reform support? » 2020-09-02 22:42:59
- zapper
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https://www.crowdsupply.com/mnt/reform
Debian apparently will support this soon, will devuan do the same?
I just wondered...
#968 Re: News & Announcements » Beowulf Beta is here! » 2020-04-29 03:38:18
At some point, can you add the package LibreSSL to Devuan? That would be more secure and lighter on resources then OpenSSL.
#969 Re: Off-topic » I am new to Linux however i dislike systemd » 2018-11-18 02:09:08
I too was a gamer before using gnu/linux much like yourself Cynicfm. But I began to abandon it around windows 8.1.
For reasons of privacy/security. I wasn't knowing prior to that how bad windows was for security/privacy.
Personally though, as bad as systemd is, gnu/linux distros even debian is a wave of light compared to winblows 10 or winblows anything really... Windows is more like winbugs or winblows because of how much it sucks.
Not that you would like the distro I currently use, even though it doesn't use systemd and is free software, but Hyperbola is free software and doesn't use systemd at all.
Why wouldn't you like it you may wonder... Because it is a bit of a pain to install with encryption unless you are using libreboot devices with FDE. Also it is based off of archlinux and has a text mode install!
For me at first it was hard if not impossible, but since 0.2.2 or 0.2.3 releases and beyond, it has been easy. Because I now understand what I am doing. They added the guide to full disk encryption for libreboot about then.
You need a libreboot device though for this method of encryption, unless you are a really big expert on partitioning. xD
Devuan + jxself.org's linux-libre-lts is the next best option personally. But devuan does have that damn pocket s*** enabled in firefox just like debian.
I wish it was disabled by default. Who even uses that? ;p
Though to be honest, with Hyperbola they also ditch webext firefox which I also like, because webext is google garbage. Palemoon and Basilisk use XUL still, as does waterfox. But Basilisk has support for pre version 57 webext.
Noscript, Ublock origin, greasemonkey, privacy settings and random agent user spoof are my favorite addons for it. Most are being maintained currently of those five for forks, except the last two.
Anywho that's just a bit of info about me, as for minifree.org and their libreboot laptops, I highly recommend you buy them. They require no blobs, and the only thing that is questionable is the EC FIRMWARE separate from Libreboot which as long as you buy from them, won't be updated. but if you buy any of their devices, use transferwise to pay for the bill if you so desire to buy those laptops. Otherwise, it could be very expensive given how banks operate.
I personally have an x200. It is nice and durable to the point where I stepped on part of it once, and even dropped it once and it was fine. (NOT ON PURPOSE OF COURSE!) But yeah, you may have different results but long story short, you don't need any proprietary firmware or anything really questionable to run devuan or hyperbola or any free software distro on those computers.
Long rant I know, but yeah, just a few thoughts of mine. As for why I ditched Fedora, debian and trisquel which were my first distros after winbugs 8.1, Simply put to make it simple, I heard unsettling things about systemd and decided it was too questionable to trust. And the devs also were said to be very hostile, I decided that made it even more suspicious.
Anyways, enjoy devuan!
ps, linux-libre-lts is found here: https://jxself.org/linux-libre/
Oh, last thing if you get any computer whether from minifree.org or anywhere else, use Solid state drives, they the best for speed, battery saving and in general.
#970 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Hyperbola Thread » 2018-06-11 20:45:35
Hyperbola has requested to be acknowledged on our init freedom page and that is being discussed. dxrobertson is correct that it is arch-based and only uses parts of devuan so not really a devuan derivative. More of a chimera.
I use Hyperbola now, I will tell you one thing though, it is extremely stable. Just don't remove essential or very much needed packages.
But yeah, this distro stopped me from distro hopping.
a bit of a warning, no graphical installer yet though. And I am not sure how to make /home and root be encrypted without everything else including boot.
I followed the libreboot guide for doing FDE but other than that I have zero clue how to do partitioning. ;/
Also, you need two laptops to do this to install on one. One to install on, one to read the guides. unless you have a printer...
Good thing is though, it has a hardened web browser, hardened email client and network-manager.
and updating usually is lightning fast even with only 300 or less mpbs per second.
But do not expect to install .deb files. I don't think it has a dpkg on it. and non-free software probably won't work unless it is through emulators like dosbox.
That's all I know of now. Just letting you know. AUR may work btw, but I really don't recommend it.
Again, it stopped my distro hopping.
#971 Re: News & Announcements » How you can help Devuan » 2017-12-05 01:27:50
@zapper . . . https://en.liberapay.com/Liberapay/
Sorry if I am replying late, but yes.
#972 Re: Devuan Derivatives » GNUinOS - Libre » 2017-12-05 01:26:34
The delay in GNUinos made me opt for Hyperbola GNU / Linux-Libre
Guess who also did the same thing,
I too have opted for hyperbola for many, many reasons.
Freedom
Security
Privacy
Free Software
Those reasons...
and also quicker updates to packages. And really... I don't need any package manager like octopi or synaptic.
#973 Re: News & Announcements » How you can help Devuan » 2017-09-18 17:30:24
Poppageek wrote:Please consider setting up a https://www.patreon.com account so we can support Devuan on a monthly basis. Ubuntu Mate has this and seem to do rather well with it. I support a content producer via Patreon and have found it a great way to support those I appreciate.
Thank you.
Why should we use a third-party service that takes a cut of the donations? The systems we have in place should allow for recurring support.
I think this website might interest you in terms of a third party donations...
apparently, they might not have that issue... not positive... but look into it.
#974 Re: Devuan Derivatives » GNUinOS - Libre » 2017-09-18 17:27:32
I wonder when amd64 beta version of ascii will be out for GNUINOS...
or for that matter a lot of things...
#975 Re: Installation » Adding packages require CD-ROM? » 2017-09-13 01:21:51
garyz.dev1 wrote:My experience is like @nobodyuknow - the cd rom stays enabled - and there are two lines
one is commented out and the other right below it.
I just took it as part of the cd installInteresting that no one has stumbled on that before . . . at least that I can remember.
garyz.dev1 wrote:[that being said - I usually choose not network install as I feel the CD loads the basic system
faster than downloading.
' then I comment the "cdrom" source and get the rest via the standard locationsThat is a good plan when using the DVD install. Not such a good idea when using the CD install as there are not enough packages on the CD to create a fully functional system.
I noticed long ago, on trisquel, debian and devuan. I just never told anyone because I thought people knew already.
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