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#1 2020-03-15 16:26:51

golinux
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Beowulf Beta is here!

Dear dev1ers,

The Devuan 3 Beowulf Beta release is now ready for review. The installer isos,
desktop-live and minimal-live isos can be downloaded from:

https://files.devuan.org/devuan_beowulf/

### What's new in Beowulf

Changes in su
- The behavior of su has changed. Use 'su -' to get root's path or use
   the full path to commands if you use only 'su'. See the following for
   more information:
   https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/ … -variables
   https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster
   https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugrepo … bug=905564

Pulseaudio
- If you have no sound, make sure the following line in
   /etc/pulse/client.conf.d/00-disable-autospawn.conf is commented as
   shown here:

   #autospawn=no

- Note that firefox-esr no longer requires pulseaudio. You can easily
   remove pulseaudio and just use alsa.

Please read the Release Notes for more detailed information:

http://files.devuan.org/devuan_beowulf/ … _notes.txt

Install, upgrade and migrate documentation for beowulf and be accessed at:

https://beta.devuan.org/os/install (still a WIP)

Please report any issues you may experience to this list, bugs.devuan.org,
freenode irc #devuan-dev or the dev1galaxy.org forum.

In solidarity,

The Devuan Devs

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#2 2020-03-16 13:37:00

l_orontius
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Re: Beowulf Beta is here!

Yesterday I did the update through the terminal (I'm using XFCE ASCII) and so far there have been no problems. However, the GRUB screen shows Debian instead of Devuan, I don't know if this will be fixed in the final version, but the upgrade went well.

There was an issue with a couple of Java-related packages, but the instructions on the Beowulf page fixed it.


Best Regards,
Lucrecio Orontius

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#3 2020-03-16 14:27:13

fsmithred
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Re: Beowulf Beta is here!

The default setup results in the grub menu showing 'Debian' instead of 'Devuan'.

If you're using legacy bios boot, you can just change /etc/os-release to show ID=devuan and then run update-grub

If you're booting uefi, you'll also need to remove grub-efi-amd64-signed and just use grub-efi-amd64. You will not be able to use secure boot this way.

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#4 2020-03-16 15:21:25

Marjorie
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Re: Beowulf Beta is here!

Just reading the guide on for how to update from ASCII to Beowulf (https://beta.devuan.org/os/documentatio … owulf.html) I note that the text seems to imply that this would work to upgrade from Jessie too.

'Devuan Jessie users should now upgrade the Devuan repository keyring, and update the package lists again so packages can be authenticated.'

and

'Users who upgraded from ASCII and are using upower will need to downgrade their upower packages to avoid problems like [bug #394].'

If it does include updating form Jessie to Beowulf shouldn't the title and reference make this clearer?

--
Marjorie

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#5 2020-03-16 16:13:19

golinux
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Re: Beowulf Beta is here!

Marjorie wrote:

Just reading the guide on for how to update from ASCII to Beowulf (https://beta.devuan.org/os/documentatio … owulf.html) I note that the text seems to imply that this would work to upgrade from Jessie too.

Yes, it is possible to upgrade from Jessie!  Those pages were just updated yesterday.  I'll be getting that straightened out on the Install page later today.  beta website is still a WIP.  wink

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#6 2020-03-16 18:14:53

rolfie
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Re: Beowulf Beta is here!

Great that it is finally there.

CLI mode expert install from netinstall image into a VM, no other specials:
* Is nano no more on board?
* Strange behaviour when using arrow keys to bring back previous commands: line not deleted, text is added on the end.

Somebody else with the same error?

rolfie

PS: checksum checked, is ok.

Last edited by rolfie (2020-03-16 20:20:47)

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#7 2020-03-16 18:39:41

fsmithred
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Re: Beowulf Beta is here!

I think you're right about nano missing. I noticed that in testing some earlier builds, and I forgot about it because I was troubleshooting something else. We should be able to add that.

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#8 2020-03-16 19:13:10

rolfie
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Re: Beowulf Beta is here!

Thanks for the confirmation concerning nano.

Just repeated the install into the same VM overwriting it. 
* Strange behaviour when using arrow keys to bring back previous commands: line not deleted, text is added on the end up to 80 characters? The last command is executed again.
* Looks like the hostname is not evaluated correctly. The login tells me Devuan GNU/Linux 3 (none), when I login the prompt is root@(none), cat hostname shows the intended name.

rolfie

PS: Using the desktop.iso seems to work fine. At first sight no issues like with the netinstall image.
Observation: no graphical installer present. Is that intended?

Last edited by rolfie (2020-03-16 20:22:33)

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#9 2020-03-16 22:01:31

szutt
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Re: Beowulf Beta is here!

- Note that firefox-esr no longer requires pulseaudio. You can easily
   remove pulseaudio and just use alsa.

What a f****** good news!!!

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#10 2020-03-16 22:10:06

golinux
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Re: Beowulf Beta is here!

szutt wrote:

- Note that firefox-esr no longer requires pulseaudio. You can easily
   remove pulseaudio and just use alsa.

What a f****** good news!!!

Unfortunately, Xfce now pulls it in.  I think it's a recommends though so could be removed with a little work.

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#11 2020-03-17 00:42:47

fsmithred
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Re: Beowulf Beta is here!

I think I saw the missing hostname issue once. Didn't happen with most of the installs I did.

Size of the iso was a concern, and the graphical installer takes up a lot of space.

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#12 2020-03-17 19:42:51

dzz
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Re: Beowulf Beta is here!

The default setup results in the grub menu showing 'Debian' instead of 'Devuan'.

If you're using legacy bios boot, you can just change /etc/os-release to show ID=devuan and then run update-grub

Also package lsb-release must be present. If you installed from debootstrap or maybe did a dist-upgrade it may not be. It's otherwise unnecessary and brings some weighty python deps.  I don't know if the official installer includes it. Snip from stock /etc/default/grub (which sets the menu title) :

GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR=`lsb_release -i -s 2> /dev/null || echo Debian`

Or you could just edit /etc/default/grub (my usual way)

Of course, /etc/os-release needs to be correct in any other devuan installs (for os-prober, see /usr/lib/os-probes/mounted/90linux-distro )

Last edited by dzz (2020-03-17 19:46:17)

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#13 2020-03-17 22:44:25

kapqa
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Re: Beowulf Beta is here!

Thank you very much for the precious work on this distro°!

Using it quite some time now!


What i noticed: even on Beowulf (XFCE) the network discovery is not present.
To "browse network" become operable in Thunar, i have to install first "gvfs" and "gvfs*"

dont know if this is a bug or because of security concerns;

also great to see that Alsa is still supported for firefox *ilike*

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#14 2020-03-18 15:15:12

puma
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Re: Beowulf Beta is here!

When do you think the next stable will bereleased?
Regard
Marco

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#15 2020-03-18 18:52:11

fsmithred
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Re: Beowulf Beta is here!

gvfs, gvfs-common, gvfs-daemons and gvfs-libs should all have been installed with the desktop.
gvfs-backends does not get installed automatically. That's just the way the dependencies are set up. I could easily add that to the desktop-live, but adding it to the default netinstall would be a lot more work.

Stable release will happen when we're satisfied that all the installer media are good. If you're wondering when to upgrade from ascii, you don't need to wait. All of our forked packages for beowulf are done.

lsb-release does get included in the default desktop install.

And for those who care:

apt purge pulseaudio avahi-daemon
apt autoremove

is easy.

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#16 2020-03-18 20:57:22

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Re: Beowulf Beta is here!

Tested the live ISO and the netinstaller under QEMU/KVM and it all works, good job!

I particularly like the installer option to use OpenRC (I wish I could do that with SharpBang) and also the fact that elogind now allows rootless X if startx from a console login is used.

The only problem I encountered is a failure to set the locale correctly, I had to run

# dpkg-reconfigure locales

then select en_GB.UTF-8 to avoid the error messages mentioned earlier in the thread.

Is there a reason for disabling the beowulf-updates repository? I would prefer to receive those fixes by default.


Black Lives Matter

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#17 2020-03-19 00:33:52

MiyoLinux
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Re: Beowulf Beta is here!

Has anyone tried installing ceres from the netinstall?

I saw the option, but I haven't tried it yet.

Just curious.

Now back to topic: beowulf.  tongue


I have been Devuanated, and my practice in the art of Devuanism shall continue until my Devuanization is complete. Until then, I will strive to continue in my understanding of Devuanchology, Devuanprocity, and Devuanivity.

Veni, vidi, vici vdevuaned. I came, I saw, I Devuaned. wink

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#18 2020-03-19 00:34:18

sacioz
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Re: Beowulf Beta is here!

My sincere thanks to everyone for the new release .

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#19 2020-03-19 12:18:52

puma
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Re: Beowulf Beta is here!

When do you think the next stable will bereleased?
Regard
Marco.
Please respons to me.

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#20 2020-03-19 13:05:19

dev-1-dash-1
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Re: Beowulf Beta is here!

Could not boot the desktop-live amd64 iso from hdd using grub.

Stuck on
"activating lvm volume groups... <timeout>"
than something like
"device /dev/sd<x> not available in udev database even after waiting for 1000000 microseconds.<another timeout>"

This second line is repeated for every hdd and partition sda,sda1,... sdb,sdb1,sdb2. ... loop0,loop1,
than goes back to the first device again and probably an infinite circle.

The grub cfg is as follows:

set root="hd<X>,<Y>"
set isofile="/devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_beta_amd64_desktop-live.iso"
loopback loop ($root)$isofile
linux (loop)/live/vmlinuz boot=live fromiso=/dev/sd<X+1><Y>$isofile username=devuan
initrd (loop)/live/initrd.img

x is hdd number(from 0 onward), y is partition number (from 1 onward).

I've used this method to boot jessie, ascii, and debian10 live isos succesfully many times in the past.

EDIT:
Corrected the error message - it's microseconds, not seconds.
Also burned the iso to a dvd, booted from there - same result.
Maybe if I wait for hours something will change, but I doubt it. Even ctrl-alt-del doesn't work.
Debian 10 live iso boots fine on this machine.

EDIT2:
The sha256 sum is correct.

I also tried the beowulf netinst image, and it booted correctly from hdd using grub.

Last edited by dev-1-dash-1 (2020-03-19 14:42:29)

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#21 2020-03-19 14:55:46

Dutch_Master
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Re: Beowulf Beta is here!

puma wrote:

When do you think the next stable will bereleased?
Regard
Marco.
Please respons to me.

This is the second time you ask in as many days and it has been answered yesterday in the exact post following yours. READ IT!

Direct link: click!

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#22 2020-03-19 15:31:13

dev-1-dash-1
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Re: Beowulf Beta is here!

I also have another question:
Is it possible to use jessie's debootstrap to grow the initial beowulf package tree?
There is no option to use beowulf in jessie's debootstrap, it will complain about missing /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/... file,
but it's possible to use testing as the suite name.

Or should I download debootstrap .deb file from beowulf repo, and use that?

Thanks in advance.

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#23 2020-03-19 16:30:40

kapqa
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Re: Beowulf Beta is here!

Hello,

is it possible to include package

"lsb"

which i would need for the printer (epson) drivers.

On Ascii it was possible to install from Debian Jessie the packages; now it seems no more possible.
Thank you.

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#24 2020-03-19 18:25:31

fsmithred
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Re: Beowulf Beta is here!

dev-1-dash-1:  I don't know if you can use jessie to debootstrap beowulf. I would avoid using 'testing' because debian and devuan testing are not the same right now. It might cause problems.

I also don't know if you can install beowulf's debootstrap in jessie. Can't hurt to try.

I do know that all the devuan live isos have debootstrap installed. You could do it from a live session.


kapqp: I see only two lsb packages - lsb-release and lsb-base. They both get installed with the default desktop. The minimal-live just has lsb-base.

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#25 2020-03-19 20:29:51

dev-1-dash-1
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Re: Beowulf Beta is here!

Thanks for your reply, fsmithred.

fsmithred wrote:

dev-1-dash-1:  I don't know if you can use jessie to debootstrap beowulf. I would avoid using 'testing' because debian and devuan testing are not the same right now. It might cause problems.

I also don't know if you can install beowulf's debootstrap in jessie. Can't hurt to try.

I've downloaded beowulf's .deb file for debootstrap already. The only dependency seems to be wget.
But I don't know if I will install it. The reason I come so rarely to this forum with problem-posting is because I like to keep
strictly to the official release, not mixing any packages no matter how simple they seem to be.

There seems to be the option to use  DEBOOTSTRAP_DIR env variable when running debootstrap, so it should be possible
to simply unpack the deb file into a separate location and use the aforementioned variable to launch the beowulf's version. I may try it out later.

fsmithred wrote:

I do know that all the devuan live isos have debootstrap installed. You could do it from a live session.

That has always been my understanding as well, that's why I tried to use the livecd. wink

However unfortunately I could not boot it, as described in an earlier post, despite being able to boot jessie, ascii, and debian10 live cd's with the same method.

Since I have succeeded booting a netinst beowulf image, maybe I'll use that if I decide to go on.

But it sure would be nice to be able to use a live iso. smile

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