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#301 Re: Devuan » Stretch is coming, Devuan status backported or up to date packages » 2017-07-24 23:25:04
greenjeans wrote:golinux wrote:Relax and enjoy the stability that 'just works'.
I think sometimes linux enthusiasts forget that not everyone is into computers like they are, 99% of computer users worldwide just want something simple and stable to use daily, not a hotrod project with constant breakage.
i'm with you greenjeans, obviously.. well as i understand, devuan not "just" works, theres some issue still open in the bugtracker and in this forum.. so please be hones and get down a little the face..
A little humility is necessary there are many houses here
DEVUAN ITS FOR USERS OR FOR THE FORUM ADMINS AND FRIENDS?
I am just a regular user, and Devuan works fine for me. I find Jessie simple and stable to the max, and I don't see any 'constant breakage', or really breakage of any kind. But we all have our particular use cases, and run up against different issues...
I'm guessing it's your sometimes hard-to-understand English, but speaking honestly, you come across sometimes as belligerent and disrespectful. You talk about humility and respect - well, that runs both ways. Perhaps consider giving a bit more thought and care to your posts...
#302 Re: Devuan » Stretch is coming, Devuan status backported or up to date packages » 2017-07-24 22:54:09
greenjeans wrote:golinux wrote:Relax and enjoy the stability that 'just works'.
You know, it's funny, because probably nobody that ever posts on this forum will ever do that . . .
Well, I do! I like stable and boring and only try new things when absolutely necessary.
I'm with you, golinux. I like stable. I like 'just works'. Everyone has different needs (or 'felt needs', often not real needs), but I don't happen to need the latest bleeding edge version of anything. I do maintain an Ascii installation, because I like to be able to test and offer bug reports and such. To tell the truth, Ascii is pretty darn solid already, and I am certainly not worried about the succession from Jessie to Ascii whenever that might occur.
#303 Re: Installation » no updates ... » 2017-07-19 13:53:55
I see you're running ascii, not jessie. There will be no updates for ascii until -updates and -security are merged, which should be soon.
no updates ...
root@kaos:/home/keos# apt-get update Des:1 http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged ascii InRelease [113 kB] Ign:2 http://kovacsoltvideo.hu/moonchildproductions ./ InRelease Obj:3 http://kovacsoltvideo.hu/moonchildproductions ./ Release Des:4 http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged ascii-updates InRelease [113 kB] Des:6 http://amprolla.devuan.org/merged ascii-security InRelease [112 kB] Descargados 338 kB en 2s (115 kB/s) Leyendo lista de paquetes... Hecho root@kaos:/home/keos# apt-get upgrade Leyendo lista de paquetes... Hecho Creando árbol de dependencias Leyendo la información de estado... Hecho Calculando la actualización... Hecho 0 actualizados, 0 nuevos se instalarán, 0 para eliminar y 0 no actualizados. root@kaos:/home/keos# apt-get dist-upgrade Leyendo lista de paquetes... Hecho Creando árbol de dependencias Leyendo la información de estado... Hecho Calculando la actualización... Hecho 0 actualizados, 0 nuevos se instalarán, 0 para eliminar y 0 no actualizados. root@kaos:/home/keos#
#304 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED]Package updates in ascii? » 2017-07-18 00:51:34
@golinux thanks for that, and I am glad to see that things are active.
@sgage good to know about DIY subforum. I don't use IRC. Is there a IRC log that's searchable?
It's at:
https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/
Install hexchat or something and chime in if you have a specific question. A lot of info happens on the IRC channel...
#305 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED]Package updates in ascii? » 2017-07-17 23:48:32
sgage wrote:Somewhere on here is a howto on just that subject. A simple search ought to find it, or poke around in Documentation or DIY...
Not sure we are talking about the same thing. Here's my question in another way:
* What steps do the Devuan maintainers take to create it from Debian?
* What is involved in those steps?
* How much is automated and how much requires hands on?A comment above mentions that ascii has not yet merged -security or -updates. So from that I conclude that it's not automated and so that's why I ask "How much work is involved?".
Maybe we are talking about the same thing but I don't understand your reply if that's the case and especially not the DIY suggestion.
If I could DIY I wouldn't need Devuan, right?
DIY is a subforum of this forum that has tips on how to do things. Like convert a Stretch installation into Ascii, or such matters.
As far as creating the entire Devuan system of releases and repos and whatnot, yes, I misunderstood you question. Golinux has given most of the answer. You should go hang out at the IRC channel, ask, and receive. This is not the thread for that question :-)
#306 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED]Package updates in ascii? » 2017-07-17 20:44:31
Don't have much of a feel for this project yet. Along this same subject I wonder how much hands on is required to make a debian release into a devuan release? Has most the heavy lifting been done now that Devuan1.0 is here?
Somewhere on here is a howto on just that subject. A simple search ought to find it, or poke around in Documentation or DIY...
#307 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED]Package updates in ascii? » 2017-07-17 15:31:51
KatolaZ over on the IRC channel said that -security and -updates have not yet been merged in Ascii (I guess since Stretch became stable), but should be soon. Meanwhile, Ascii is very solid for me (using MATE)...
#308 Other Issues » [SOLVED]Package updates in ascii? » 2017-07-15 20:50:52
- sgage
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I have not received any package updates for ascii in quite some time - at least 2 weeks but probably more. Before that there was a steady parade of updates. Does anyone else notice this? Have repos changed? I haven't messed with my sources.list at all.
TIA for any insight...
#309 Re: Off-topic » And the moral of the story is ...... » 2017-06-14 11:00:13
Very good yarn.
Yes, I've seen it in several different places on the web in the past few weeks, from several different people.
#310 Re: Other Issues » newbie question, as I am » 2017-06-11 21:19:35
Also, when I read documentation in order to solve a problem and finally find a proper way to do it, I'll write it up and add it to my personal collection of documents on how to do this and that on GNU/Linux. This really helps a lot.
Definitely write stuff down! I have had a directory in my home partition called ~/linux_tips since the late 90's, and while some of the items are unnecessary and or outdated now, there's stuff in there that I refer to time and again.
Don't depend on just remembering stuff. Because as you get older, your memory is the second thing to go. (I can't remember the first thing). ;-)
#311 Re: Off-topic » Life after Firefox » 2017-06-09 20:06:50
greenjeans wrote:Needs to be a revolution in web content, no more patronizing any site that feels compelled to ram mountains of rotating ads, flash, javascript, thrid party crap, autostarting video etc. etc. , down a user's throat.
Users have the option to take control. Between adblock plus and stylish, I never see any of those offensive things. At least not more than once. Even at that FF is a resource hog . . .
In the past couple of weeks, I have been doing some informal experimentation with browsers, and to me it is astonishing what a resource hog FF is. And s l o w . It wasn't always this way, but now it's a very real annoyance. Then you try Palemoon, or Chrome, on the exact same sites, and things fly. I don't know why, but it's impossible to ignore.
#312 Re: Devuan » Palemoon in oficial repository » 2017-06-07 18:53:52
I do not know about including this program in the "official" repository of devuan, but it can be very easily installed with the linux installer located here.
There is also a 3rd party repository which holds a debian installer. By adding this repository, it should update whenever you do a routine system update.
I have not tried this repository before as I use the linux installer. It is very, very easy to use.
I agree... I think it is a very well done installer. It can do a new clean install, update an existing install, cleanly remove the program, etc. - all very easy to manage from one simple menu.
#313 Re: Devuan » Can Devuan survive and face the development of Debian? » 2017-06-07 12:29:07
sgage wrote:Hello,
Thank you.
This was a serious question. Bugs reporting but also fixing them are an important issues.
Explanation: it is not easy to maintain a distro. Is the core development team sufficiently large enough to fix all bugs, .... ?
Maybe I can change the title of the thread, since it does not so much match to this idea of bugs,.... I should have mentioned it in first post.
Hopefully there will be always interests in Devuan.
I apologize for using the t-word - your posting just hit me wrong. The Devuan team pours heart and soul into this project, and it seemed an odd thing to come along and doubt their survival...
#314 Re: Off-topic » Life after Firefox » 2017-06-06 22:38:40
I, too, am liking Palemoon. Firefox is not crashy for me at all, just s l o w. A release or two ago something seemed to really change. I've tried all the browsers, and Palemoon is probably going to be my daily driver. Actually, it is already.
#315 Re: Devuan » Can Devuan survive and face the development of Debian? » 2017-06-06 22:35:15
Hello,
Surely you have something better to do with your time than to keep trolling this forum.
Thank you.
#316 Re: Off-topic » Life after Firefox » 2017-06-05 12:05:39
Actually, it IS free as in beer (gratis) - it's not free as in speech (libre). I.e., it is not open source nor free software. I checked out the website and got a bit of a bad vibe...
It doesn't appear to be free as in beer.....
Freeware License
Slimjet Web Browser is released under the freeware license. It is free both for personal use and commerical use. It is free to be distributed over the internet and/or through offline distribution channels as long as it is kept in its original form without any change. Bundling Slimjet with other software in another installer is strictly prohibited.
Edit: Just installed it to test it out, some sites are definately faster, however, Youtube videos won't/don't play!
#317 Re: Devuan » Good news, debian stretch will be stable in less than a month. » 2017-06-02 18:05:55
Nili wrote:zapper wrote:also I should add, the 4.9 kernel is still supported, 3.16 one is NOT supported.
As long there is support for Jessie which will last until 2020. The kernel 3.16 does not have to be excluded from updates (security at least).
Indeed good news regarding speeding up the stretch release.Yes Although it is actually june 17th not 16th. my bad. hehe.
as for kernel 3.16, it is supported by debian perhaps, but just them.
I thought 3.16 was an LTS kernel?...
#318 Re: Installation » [Solved]display resolution » 2017-06-01 20:51:26
I put this in my xorg.conf to get 1280x1024 (get the appropriate modeline from xrandr):
Section "Monitor"
Identifier "Monitor0"
VendorName "Acer"
ModelName "V173"
HorizSync 30 - 81
VertRefresh 56 - 75
Modeline "1280x1024_60.00" 109.00 1280 1368 1496 1712 1024 1027 1034 1063 -hsync +vsync
EndSection
Section "Device"
Identifier "Device0"
Driver "intel"
VendorName "Intel 82/G33"
EndSection
Section "Screen"
Identifier "Screen0"
Device "Device0"
Monitor "Monitor0"
DefaultDepth 24
SubSection "Display"
Depth 24
Modes "1280x1024"
EndSubSection
EndSection#319 Re: Documentation » Draft: "Devuan fact sheet" » 2017-05-27 23:04:51
Had a look at the fact sheet - good idea, and good job! One very tiny thing, and I am not sure of the official protocol... Is the code name supposed to be capitalized, or all lower case - jessie instead of Jessie? It's a pedantic little point, but I wonder what the official position is on that...
#320 Re: News & Announcements » Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 Stable LTS is here!!! » 2017-05-26 23:46:03
Article on Jessie's stable release on Neowin:
#321 Re: Other Issues » Libreoffice causes Mate main menu to freeze. Openbox slows down too. » 2017-05-26 22:27:56
On my rig (old dual-core Pentium/4 GB RAM) in jessie MATE there was a few seconds delay in rendering the icons in the 'Office' submenu, but no freezing per se. In ascii, there seems to be no delay or problem at all.
#322 Re: News & Announcements » We have an IRC channel too » 2017-04-04 17:10:26
That is good. I lurk around on the devuan channel, and occasionally chime in there, but it's great to have a channel for users, vs. devs.
#323 Re: Forum Feedback » Discussion on possible new spam control » 2017-01-25 18:16:48
I see no problem with account activation.
As someone who has been using the Internet since before it was the Internet (I was on ArpaNet back in the day), I must say that the Web has become a cesspool. A classic case of 'the Tragedy of the Commons'. I wish I had the smarts to come up with a solution to the pollution. It seems there ought to be a way to find these a**holes and prosecute them to the max. Except, freedom. Oh well.
#324 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Sleep button doesn't work » 2017-01-18 18:18:06
Interesting. Maybe I'll check out the conversation on bot.bot.
I just posted a quick how-to on the sleep button fix over in the Documentation section. If you get a chance to look at it, please et me know if you think it needs anything...
sgage wrote:I will write it up soon and post in Documentation. If nothing else, you can have endless fun making the 'special buttons' do whatever you want...
Well, I won't be doing that but there are others who might want to.
sgage wrote:Yes, I'd be interested in learning something about all that systemd junk...
Here are the first few nibbles. Probably more to come as I pinged jaromil, nextime and Centurion_Dan . . .
<KatolaZ> golinux: those should be systemd-related scripts installed by other packages
<muep> it is usually harmless for a package to ship a config file for something that is not installed
<golinux> muep: If a package is not installed, why would related config files be sucked in for a non-existent purpose?
<muep> golinux: because packages include those files for the cases where they are installed alongside the thing that does not happen to be present
<muep> and because devuan is using debian packages as-is where they are suitable
<KatolaZ> golinux: and because we should not make the same mistake that all the distros have done
<KatolaZ> i.e., making it impossible to use anything else
<KatolaZ> if a package has scripts for runit or openrc or systemd, why should we remove them?
<KatolaZ> those script will never be executed if runit, openrc, or systemd is not installedThe conversation continues here on botbot.
#325 Documentation » How to make the 'sleep' button work if yours doesn't » 2017-01-18 18:13:48
- sgage
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How to make the 'sleep' button work if yours doesn't
One small issue that I'd been having with Devuan Jessie since I first started using it last October was that the sleep button didn't do anything. The sleep button works fine in Debian Jessie, and I suspect that upower now expects some systemd component or other. BTW, this is an ancient (2008) Compaq Presario, Dual Pentium @ 2 GHz, 4 GB RAM rig. It runs beautifully.
Typing 'sudo pm-suspend' in a terminal worked fine, so I knew that the basic sleep functionality was there. At the suggestion of ralph.ronnquist in the Hardware and System Configuration forum I decided to see if I could come up with an acpi event handler to invoke a script to run pm-suspend.
First I wanted to confirm that the sleep button was indeed generating an acpi event, so I ran acpi_listen and pressed the sleep button. Sure enough, it showed 'button/sleep SBTN 00000080 00000000 K'.
Then I went to /etc/acpi/events to make a handler for this event. There was one there already for the power button (powerbtn-acpi-support), so I just copied and modified it for my sleep button, cleverly named 'sleepbtn-acpi-support', containing the following:
event=button[ /]sleep
action=/etc/acpi/sleepbtn-acpi-support.shThen I simply made the sleepbtn-acpi-support.sh script in /etc/acpi, to whit:
#!/bin/sh
# This script calls pm-suspend when the sleep button has been
# pressed.
# Normal handling.
/usr/sbin/pm-suspendThat's it. Reboot, or restart the acpi daemon, and voila! A press of the sleep button now sends my computer to sleep! I had the same issue with Devuan Ascii, and the same fix applies.
Of course, now you know how to make the sleep button do whatever you want ;-)
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