Posts by oui

oui · Installation

luakit is a great tiny browser with wide possibilities of extensions in the language LUA.

it is available at debian depositories wheezy, stretch and sid.

installable using dpkg -i *deb

after that (and a strong apt-get -f install, all dependencies are available), you have a very good tiny browser able to handle with flash (it can be important for you like for me!)

it uses binaries for webkit1 (like SliTaz'z "tazweb", a own developement from SliTaz to manage the SliTaz panel (all settings in SliTaz happens now on it, if you prefer don't to use command lines...). I am, sorry, not able to compile myself TazWeb for 64 bit (only a front end with some "decisions" on webkit1).

luakit approach is not easy! it is a beautifull woman with an very very hart bart!

the most important command is

: o (open!) for ex. : o google,com (without intervale! I did use an intervale to avoid smilies...)

luakit has different modes! If you are not already in "insert mode", you have to enter in it with :i (if you know that, it is easy!)

now, you can search for "devuan forum" and hit on the found link!

is devuan forum present on the screen, you can create your bookmark list with the first bookmark using the command :bookmark.

with the command :boomarks (see for the "s" at the end!) you can make that that new list with one entry only now reappears!

you can do it also with ixquick, qwant, google, duckduckgo (I don't like duckduckgo at all: the results are only for English speakers adequate! the idea is good but the realisation is pure and only English, nothing for me!) etc.

You go to the bookmarks

within the actual tab with :gb

in a new tab with :gB

you erase a tab with :c

and, the most usefull is :help ! you find there ALL COMMANDS always present in the backgrouns and there are a lot, really, good and efficient!

luadkit did persuade me

sometimes you nee to it the enter key one more

extremly wide extensions possible in the lua language

only a question has for me actually no answer: spell check?

only a deception:

Problem occurred while loading the URL https://www.inputking.com/

inputking is one of the best pages concerning inter communication between far east and occidental world! it is superior for this reason as

ALL OTHER sites including Luakit or in luakit used software! I am sorry: some people of the declared free world are ennemy No. 1 of their goal!

oui · Installation

Hi fsmithred

Thank you for this very fast help.

I did install Devuan absolutely minimal (no option in taksel over the base net installation in English, there are 644 Mb installed).

On that, I did install

sudo apt install sudo gpm xserver-xorg-video-intel x11-xserver-utils xserver-xorg-input-mouse xinit menu 9menu jwm luakit didiwiki clex dc sc mgp alsa-utils alsaplayer mplayer2 mhwaveedit mtpaint viewnior xpdf ranger grun spell

(9menu is because I did try initially ratpoison insteed of jwm! But as jwm, with about the same size, gives me more comfort, I did erase ratpoison. spell is only future: I don't know if luakit can operate with spelling and with which dictionary! my actual text processing system is didiwiki: didiwiki creates text documents per page, and can write normal, fat, italic and underlined. It can also show pictures (but I don't know if they are printable, especially out luakit direct; as luakit make wide extensions in lua possible, it is probably a good. this version of luakit comes from debian sid. it is an alsmost actual / actualized version! I did download it and install separately with dpkg! I did test A LOT of browsers instead of luakit: luakit is the most compact one I did found able to use libflashplayer.so. great deception: only the video from anouncers comes, not the ones I will see (youtube and the national TV from my country, France! I will look especially for the chanel France2, it is the main chanel as initially, 30 years ago, France1 did have really more lines (=more fine pictures) as all the world chanels, and is not the main chanel any more...).

my goal would be, to install

all that

in 32 bit ;-) .

I am certain, that the problems with libflashplayer.so in 64 bit result from the increased exigences of Adobe and Adobe clients to kill the to open versions of flash out the past times!

copy of my actual /etc/jwm/system.jwmrc follow!

(observe

- the subdiv from Tray to /Tray

- the line <Background type="image">/usr/share/images/fond.png</Background>
You have to create a subdir /usr/share/image, put in a good picture downloaded in png format for ex., I did choice a picture of a cat on a tree in front of the moon, all in grey like Dev1 Galaxy :-) and convert it in png with mTpaint. I have now a SUPER presentation of Devuan using the Dev1 Galaxy forum and, as I love cats, I am happy! No icon in use but short cuts name like "DevuanJessie" for the main icone, _ for desktop, do for grun, r for the file manager r)anger (or r)ox if you want a graphic one! clex (read "select") is also installed, p for mtp)aint or gimp if you prefer gimp, and i for internet (using links to the real applications: if you decide to change "your standard" application, the only one change is that link! other link I have: "ln -s /usr/bin/startx /usr/bin/go" to start X-window after login in console: I don't need some session manager, also no small one like slim: no session manager at all. if one, I would use "ratpoison" as ratpoison has a subdiv to select other WM's...)

- the line <StartupCommand>setxkbmap us intl</StartupCommand> 
(you can of course add more startup commands, for ex. gkrellm if you install it!)

it is a minimal installation (a bit more than 1 Mb in 64 bit) based of commando line applications where they are equal to graphical ones!)

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<JWM>


<RootMenu height="15" onroot="12">
<Program icon="terminal.png" label="Terminal">x-terminal-emulator</Program>
<Include>/etc/jwm/debian-menu</Include>
<Separator/>
<Program icon="lock.png" label="Lock">
xscreensaver-command -activate
</Program>
<Separator/>
<Restart label="Restart" icon="restart.png"/>
<Exit label="Exit" confirm="true" icon="quit.png"/>
</RootMenu>
<Group>
<Class>Pidgin</Class>
<Option>sticky</Option>
</Group>
<Group>
<Name>gkrellm</Name>
<Option>nolist</Option>
<Option>sticky</Option>
</Group>
<Group>
<Name>xterm</Name>
<Option>vmax</Option>
<Option>icon:terminal.png</Option>
</Group>

<Tray x="0" y="-1" height="32" autohide="false">

<TrayButton label="DevuanJessie">root:1</TrayButton>
<TrayButton label="_">showdesktop</TrayButton>
<TrayButton label="do">exec:do</TrayButton>
<Spacer width="2"/>
<TrayButton label="r">exec:r</TrayButton>
<Spacer width="2"/>
<TrayButton label="p">exec:p</TrayButton>
<Spacer width="2"/>
<TrayButton label="i">exec:i</TrayButton>
<Spacer width="2"/>

<Pager labeled="true"/>
<TaskList maxwidth="256"/>
<Dock/>

<Swallow name="xload" width="64">
xload -nolabel -bg black -fg red -hl white
</Swallow>
<Clock format="%H:%M">xclock</Clock>
</Tray>

<WindowStyle>
-*-fixed-*-r-*-*-10-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
<Width>4</Width>
<Height>20</Height>
<Active>
<Text>white</Text>
<Title>gray30:gray60</Title>
<Outline>black</Outline>
<Opacity>1.0</Opacity>
</Active>
<Inactive>
<Text>#aaaaaa</Text>
<Title>#808488:#303438</Title>
<Outline>black</Outline>
<Opacity>0.5:0.9:0.1</Opacity>
</Inactive>
</WindowStyle>
<TaskListStyle>
-*-fixed-*-r-*-*-10-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
<ActiveForeground>black</ActiveForeground>
<ActiveBackground>gray80:gray90</ActiveBackground>
<Foreground>black</Foreground>
<Background>gray90:gray80</Background>
</TaskListStyle>

<TrayStyle>
-*-fixed-*-r-*-*-10-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
<Background>gray90</Background>
<Foreground>black</Foreground>
<Opacity>0.75</Opacity>
</TrayStyle>
<PagerStyle>
<Outline>black</Outline>
<Foreground>gray90</Foreground>
<Background>#808488</Background>
<ActiveForeground>#70849d</ActiveForeground>
<ActiveBackground>#2e3a67</ActiveBackground>
</PagerStyle>
<MenuStyle>
-*-fixed-*-r-*-*-10-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
<Foreground>black</Foreground>
<Background>gray90</Background>
<ActiveForeground>white</ActiveForeground>
<ActiveBackground>#70849d:#2e3a67</ActiveBackground>
<Opacity>0.85</Opacity>
</MenuStyle>
<PopupStyle>
-*-fixed-*-r-*-*-10-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
<Outline>black</Outline>
<Foreground>black</Foreground>
<Background>yellow</Background>
</PopupStyle>
<IconPath>
/usr/share/icons/wm-icons/32x32-gant
</IconPath>


<Desktops width="4" height="2">

<Background type="image">/usr/share/images/fond.png</Background>
</Desktops>

<DoubleClickSpeed>400</DoubleClickSpeed>

<DoubleClickDelta>2</DoubleClickDelta>

<FocusModel>sloppy</FocusModel>

<SnapMode distance="10">border</SnapMode>

<MoveMode>opaque</MoveMode>

<ResizeMode>opaque</ResizeMode>
<StartupCommand>setxkbmap us intl</StartupCommand> 

<Key key="Up">up</Key>
<Key key="Down">down</Key>
<Key key="Right">right</Key>
<Key key="Left">left</Key>
<Key key="h">left</Key>
<Key key="j">down</Key>
<Key key="k">up</Key>
<Key key="l">right</Key>
<Key key="Return">select</Key>
<Key key="Escape">escape</Key>
<Key mask="A" key="Tab">next</Key>
<Key mask="A" key="F4">close</Key>
<Key mask="A" key="#">desktop#</Key>
<Key mask="A" key="F1">root:1</Key>
<Key mask="A" key="F2">window</Key>
<Key mask="A" key="F10">maximize</Key>
<Key mask="A" key="Right">rdesktop</Key>
<Key mask="A" key="Left">ldesktop</Key>
<Key mask="A" key="Up">udesktop</Key>
<Key mask="A" key="Down">ddesktop</Key>
</JWM>

oui · Installation

Hi

It seems it is a great inconvenient to use 64 bit! divers app's are not available. in 64 bit exist a lot of controls disturbing the user (not present in 32 bits): it seems to be a giant reduction of my freedom!

I would prefer a mixt usage of my distribution:

kernel 64 bit to respect the architecture of my PC

but 32 bit binaries!

Is the mixed installation of Devuan with 64 bit kernel and 32 bit libraries and binaries possible?

kind regards

oui · Installation

I use (mainly! I have also a old emachines) a 64 bit laptop XPS from Dell (8x16 bit cores, 8 GB RAM, big HD). But as I also have an old "emachines" (also 64 bit but small RAM and HD) used very often I look for small solutions...

I did install Devuan very small (644 MB at restart in 64 bit but completely empty of applications)

Xorg and the most small graphic window manager (ratpoison or jwm) takes only a bit memory over that... that is not the question! with nano, gpm for your mouse, clex as file navigator, alsa-utils, alsa-player, cups-client, cups-daemon, sc (old venerable spreadsheet), didiwiki (simplest wiki in the web browser! but can pretty writting in the console!!!), you can a lot more in the different char mode consoles (especially with gpm: you can transmit text segments marked with the mouse between the consoles!). If you add xserver-xorg-video-intel x11-xserver-utils xserver-xorg-input-mouse xinit ratpoison, you have a graphic systems able to multi-tasking (as Basic Linux did can 20 y ago ...)

after that, not really possible to find an REALLY SMALL internet browser 64 bit able to use libflashplayer so...

as I have a *.deb out 2014 for luakit, I did try to install it. all dependencies are yet at the depository of Devan Jessie! I did have luck. And a lot is possible.

But not my email box (the greatest German email service independant from ex German Post Services / DHL. All that is today privatised and not transparent any more). Probably I did not install enough SSL services. Gmx (Gmx is a private initiative in Monaco, the same town as Sun, the initial great supplyer of java etc, was, the town where all town services did use along 10 years Linux as OS!) is the name of my free email provider at www.gmx.net! Gmx did provide more in the past, for ex. DSL internet (this was the reason why I did have to book email box free at gmx!).

for this reason, I did install SliTaz with 64 bit kernel (the other parts are yet 32 bits, common with the 32 bit version) from mirror.slitaz.org. At wiki.slitaz.org, SliTaz proposes divers uncommon installations! The one is to install (full install of course!) in a subdir of an other distribution in the same partition. for ex. in /var/slitaz !

I did do it

and wonder about the the sizes of ...

... all!

especially

- wine.

In SliTaz, same situation in Linux. Through wine, I can use in Slitaz the browser Qtweb. It has no problem with gmx.

I did try the same in Devuan, at this time without success.

How to install the minimal wine configuration without mono etc.?

How to start in commando line one wine application after that?

oui · Installation

Hi golinux

my goal, as I did see that the base installation is only 644 Mb "light", did become to realize a tiny ground installation within 1 GB in 64 bits!

I have now over 860 MB. I can add 'mTpaint' to manage and process most pictures as well as take screen shots (is in all case the best way; after taking the screenshot, the pictures tool is open and you can continue directly to crop, reduce the size, add pictures elements, or filter) and 'mHwaveedit' to record and process some sound. For pdf for those using them only if not possible in other form, an 'pdftohtml', present at the depository, would often be enough, no need from Qt4 or from the great but giant tools from the latex world! But it is yet evident that it will not be possible to add some 'mplayer2' or somewhat equivalent permitting to say: "this tiny installation can a lot of all standard activities" as look for videos did become today an important part of the personal computer activities.

it would also be good for the Devuan community, else if other performances have to be added, then specificly, to satisfy the complete need of functionality wished by some one.

an idea how to solve that?

I am not so far from target!

Netsurf has divers inconvenient:
- same as links2, not able for flash
- a bit more heavy
- an not to activate in commando line

concerning javascript (important for a lot of pages like ebay) I can't remember

certain is that links2 continue to be recognize and in the most cases accepted as a non graphic browser and is extremely fast on all pages where the advertising is so intensive... no better tool for slipping in a short time from top to bottom on a huge newspaper page :-)) !

oui · Installation

my new installation require some patience to learn to operate with the unusual tools used (ratpoison and links2) as both start with a black window...

I did already name above a few important keys for ratpoison as well as the manual. Yes, you can open more than one console. But you also can split each console playing with CTRL+t+S to split verticaly (or s to split horizontaly) and CTRL+t+arrowUP or DOWN or LEFT or RIGHT depending in which window you will work on your visible console.

In links2, you open with 'o' the url line, or with Esc the top barre. You quit links2 with 'q'. In the top barre, you will find a lot of stuf easy to learn to do more...

The dark screen is also normal in both.

As I did start the first time with links2 with option -g (graphic mode) I did see no cursor. I did quit immediately and do the same in text mode: That did have the power to position the cursor in that frish for the first time opened console. After that, no problem any more with the cursor position in graphic mode.

Only in THAT forum ( :-( !). Links2 don't process well with redirections. And in graphic mode, it seems to forget sometimes the entered login after the redirection. No problem such this in character mode. After you are logged in, you can reenter in the forum in graphic mode with valid login!

I will see for an better web browser for me, but it is not easy in new linux as the are all extremly vorace in browser ressources an dependencies (excepted seamonkey, offering a lot of tools more than the other ones: no one else offers for ex. an real WYSYG HTML editor. I often use HTML editors especialy in combination with browser to copy only the text content from extern webpage into my archives of texts. But seamonkey, already produced by some idealists, seems to be especially difficult to install? Or some little but powerfull browsers like TazWeb from SliTaz (SliTaz frondend for webkit1; SliTaz supply immediately midori as sweet over SliTaz, only a few kb more, and it is possible to add xombrero, the most secure browser. Also only a few kb more. And ALL THOSE 3 BROWSER works perfectly with an attraktive fully complete SliTaz environment: youtube works with warranty after the later installation of the non-free flash plugin as well as the most exigeant pages using flash!). it is so ridiculous how powerfull the little dwarft is with it's so compact solution (and, as it is a Swiss creation, it was ALWAYS in the 3 Swiss languages plus English and now different other, as the main coder is today a Russian man etc.!)

oui · Installation

oh! thank you (I did forget this figure never used any more by me since 10 y or more ;-) as the major distributions never limit that any more today: you can not visit ebay, your bank, login by some real authorities etc.!)... enable non-free, that was the problem and probably not only for realtek!

oui · Installation

Hi fsmithred! Thank you very much. I did find 2 package at the depository:
- librtlsdr0
- rtl-sdr
How to use them?

oui · Installation

Hi fsmithred, thank you very much. I write now out Devuan Jessie, graphic system, out links2: the installation from ca-certificates was no problem and is only the matter of a few bits.

oui · Installation

question from me now: how to give him enough ssl ability to visit AND enter into this forum ;-) ?

oui · Installation

that extremely light graphic system in Devuan 64 bit has now

861 Mb

only!

oui · Installation

(yes it is true, because I did not install some ssl software, and I don't know how to add some adequate tiny ssl software, so I can't connect with that and divers other pages. connection with Mrs. Google or Puppy Linux forum from John Murga is possible and work well, wired thank you for the answer concerning the wifi connection in the parallel message! I will try it soon).

my installation is in 64 bits and I did let tasksel completely empty.

i did quit after the installation but did not immediately restart but did start an other live linux (puppy linux) and copy that minimal installation ;-) . it's size is only

644 MB !

It is great! and restart again; before that, I did prepare an /etc/sudoers file with the editor in the editor window copying the same file from a precedent installation!

after restart, I did enter as user

only look what is preinstalled:

dpkg --get-selections | grep -v deinstall > s0
cat s0  | more

but commute immediately to the root identity:

su -
loggin:

entering now my password again and install sudo:

apt install sudo gpm clex links2 didiwiki > s1

the system stops and wait. I have to answer 'n' (as I will only a compact documente 's1', 's' is for 'step' also the protocol of the 1th installations step. it will install my minimal software for use in commando line: sudo, of course, gpm, to activate my mouse in commando-line-console, clex, my directories and files browser in cdo line, links2, better than the old venerable 'link', as I will extend after that my tiny installation to the graphic mode (links2 can both: start before the graphic mode in char only mode without pictures, and, using the option '-g' in graphic mode after xstart, and then, show pictures) and didiwiki. Didiwiki is a great mini software: it is the personal wiki from some distributions, especially from Puppy linux. It starts through the url line from each browser, also links2, and make it able to write texts printable out in simple writing, or underlined writing, or italic, or bold. As CUPS also does not need some graphic system it would be possible to print pretty texts out that only-commando-line system (but I don't will install cups actually as I did see in my precedent installation, that Devuan installs cups with a lot of dependencies being not interessting for me (why? Puppy linux avoids some of those dependencies...).

the installations report I gave in the generated doc s1 :

The following NEW packages will be installed:
clex didiwiki gpm libdirectfb-1.2-9 libgpm2 libjbig0 libjpeg62-turbo
libtiff5 libx11-6 libx11-data libxau6 libxcb1 libxdmcp6 links2 sudo
0 upgraded, 15 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 5,511 kB of archives.
After this operation, 13.4 MB of additional disk space will be used.

generating those installations protocols, I can control different facts:

- how heavy is the download
- how heavy is the consumption of hard disk room
- and, in case of recommendations, the system would write adequate supplementary lines.

I did not install yet 'sc', the venerable spread sheet in commando line (although I will probably use it later, as it is really enough for my modest need an spread sheet activity!)

I did not install 'deborphan' (a very usefull missing application to clean our systems...), 'alsa', 'samba' nor other goodies as they are for the commando line level!

I use 'nano', and, nothing to do: it is preinstalled!

nano has a very exceptional position under the editors: it is commando line, but offers flexible line length like graphic editors, and, hitting on the wheel of the mouse after marking text parts, it is possible to copy them

- from non-graphic console to non-graphic console (fast commutation using CRTL+ALT+ on of F1, F2, F3 etc.!)
- from graphic-console to separate non-graphic console (same commutation)
- from terminal window to graphic application in the own window or inverse!
- spell checking is possible
- unlimited line length
- insertion into existent line or paragraph without special precaution
- color use (I do nothing with it myself and have no experience other that, what nano does himself if I look code...)

also I will continue to use nano in graphic mode after installation of graphic mode. why not?

with the key 'arrowUP' I did make the last commando line reappears. it is very fast! and with 'backspace' erase the the part " > s1" and start the installation with 'enter'.

the system did constate the manipulation concerning sudo and ask if I will use the prepared /etc/sudoers. I did answer 'yes'.

to quit the root level:

quit

and I did continue (if I will! I can now write, surf through the web, create own wiki pages, etc., and more if I would have installed the one or other package named!) as user using now 'sudo':

sudo apt install sudo gpm clex links2 didiwiki xserver-xorg-video-intel x11-xserver-utils xserver-xorg-input-mouse xinit ratpoison xli > s2

this is possible because I know which xserver xorg uses on my PC: it is the 'video-intel' one!

yes, you see right: I did repeat the begin of the line coming from step 1 so I will see in ~/.bash_history all my installation step by step and in s0, s1, s2 the things concerning each step ;-) . my installation is well and completely documented, step by step!

'xli' is for a future background.

ratpoison (includes link to the html ratpoison doc)!

yes, ratpoison is really good...

after the installation I did try if

startx

as user starts directly. I did do it (on some systems, 'sudo xinit' is sometimes required before that! Quit with 'exit' and restart after that with 'startx' ...

or using a link in the future if you install a link like:

sudo ln -s /usr/bin/startx /usr/bin/go

(analog for links2:

sudo ln -s /usr/bin/links2 /usr/bin/web

but don't forget the option '-g' if you want (you probably really want it) start in graphic mode!)

So...

I now am in graphic mode in my new installation and I did look a short time away, I see nothing...

black screen pure.

to activate some input, you have to enter

CRTL+t+. (yes a dot char!)

a selection's table appears. select one.

you are now in a new sub level and can select until you find the right (probably one of clex, nano, links2 if you did not install more as I did. didiwiki start is in links2!).

DIFFERENT FROM THE OTHER SESSIONS / WINDOW MANAGERS ALL

ratpoison seems able to open more than one console under X!

try to commute:

STRG+ALT+F2

loggin appears. log in!

and remake the same succession of operations:

commute to the graphic mode with "go" (if you did install that link!)

CTRL+t+.

select one other application one from the 3 applications clex, nano, or web -g

it appears!

and play with the commutation:

STRG+ALT+F1

STRG+ALT+F3

STRG+ALT+F1

STRG+ALT+F2

etc.

all are present and operable.

HOW TO RESTART / SHUTDOWN

so long you have a free text console

STRG+ALT+Fn

STRG+ALT+Erase

or

sudo shutdown -r now

to only restart

or

sudo shutdown -h now

to really halt and shutdown the PC

(you will find that line in your bash history hitting on 'arrowUP' as far you did use it once! same thing for the command 'setxkbmap us intl' etc, used if you often change your keyboard layout also in the middle of a document!)

oui · Installation

Hi FOSSuser,

thank you for the answer. But where to find it (I belong the Original CD from DELL for my PC with all the Drivers and Utilities for DELL XPS L502X but Devuan did find nothing else on it and I suppose it is not on it)? On the Service page from Dell ( http://pilot.search.dell.com/rtl_nic~prdrtl8168e~prd2fw ) appearing as goal of the search with the name named by Devuan, is no Linux driver and no driver with that name to find!

I suppose there exist a *.deb on ubuntu but

- how to find the right one
- howto continue the installation (I suppose dpkg -i pipapo is not enough? At installations time (netinstall complete new system) Ubuntu

- find the right driver
- check the wifi environment and find the actual wifi boxes with enough power; I suppose Ubuntu starts a application doing that
- propose them
- after selecting enter the choiced wifi box and try to connect; I suppose Ubuntu starts a application doing that

if I overview correctly the difficulty, the best would be to modify the fresh Ubuntu installation into a Devuan?

would that be possible (like with an equivalent Debian installation)?

which version of Ubuntu would be the best choice to install Devuan Jessie on it?

oui · Installation

Hi

I have actually Devuan on my old first Laptop and it is connected with wlan (wired!). no problem...

my real main laptop, the newer one (it is also old but was a powerfull play station and is yet big enough for othe purposes) is on an other place in my home or outside my home and has to be connected both:

- mainly wireless
- rarely wired

I did try to install.

different from Ubuntu (latest Ubuntu 16.04 network installation) installing without disturb all needing, finding the networks in the around, requiring the password, and connecting at least

devuan claims for an rtl_nic.rtl8168e.2fw,

I have not so what... It is simply so: I have not so what as Ubuntu was since years supplyer of all what I need (as well as the "little dwarfs" SliTaz or Puppy Linux! All Linuxes, little, mini, micro, they are, ...

... connect!

And I am not accostumed to set it up, sorry.

What is to do to go online?

(Info: I have no CD drive and no usb: the drive and connectors are not usuable any more...)

I thank for help

Kind regards

oui · Installation

Hi macondo You are interessing me because you make publicity for ratpoison! But I don't understand the reason of your initial choices: Why JFS? I did immediately adopt ext4 and did never have after that some problem: it is fast and robust!

remark: I also would like to use ratpoison but only if it would possible to accede immediately after boot to ratpoison without to have to login or enter a command like "ratpoison" (I know, you can make a link like ln -s /usr/bin/ratpoison /usr/bin/go to make the text length shorter!) and only if I would find a way to use a background picture easily and without to install more (jwm does it without some help and installs only about 500 kB!)

oui · Installation

probably it is so, but I can't interchange it because I absolutely need an other app, Merkaartor, able to draw all the land map around my house, but in the most newer version, OpenStreetMap is not included any more as underground and I am unable to re-install this figure (as it was not necessary at all to include it the past - it was available without to have something to do! So, I am totally unexperimented. For this reason, the maximal release I can choice is Jessie in Debian and 16.04 in Ubuntu, and I suppose there is also such a limit in other Linux distributions until the Merkaartor staff (an extremely small staff! Merkaartor was since the last new month a "discontinued" application!) find an other choice of dependencies permitting to have OSM again in all versions, also in the newiest!

the new distributions requires all too important concessions from the old users. no software any more with xulrunner (excepted of Mozilla build of Seamonkey, the will rarely accepted by the community, NOT ONE wysyg HTML editor any more in all Linux!!! They can offer a million of app's. That what is missing is enormous compared with Windows (voice app's are classic since the time where IBM was the principal supplier of operations system! not ONE app for this important field (a ENORMOUS lot of people can't write because of handicap or professional forced situations. but they can speak!), unified dictionaries (why aspell, ispell, myspell, hunspell and more? people needing extremely special words, professional, scientific etc. can't enter the lot of vocabulary in 10 different dictionaries: it is a catastrophe of des-organisation and operation's system management! but the maker of operation's systems like Debian, Slackware, Redhat and derivates or systems build from sources like LFS or Gentoo will continue to ignore the needs of specialized users (handicap, profession, speciality, sometimes language) and operate only for the easy to fill up needs of esthetic, perhaps, not always, they also are really extremely ugly new creations, and market of tablets etc! Debian did sacrify xulrunner! Why? To permit Seamonkey to force the inclusion of permanent (not masquable) advertising sources of money for the Mozilla group? Same thing with mono! An enormous lobby did try to install it in all Linux! Today, it is very discrete in Linux, but you can't use wine any more without else if it is not installed at the same time: as soon you require some exigent windows app's you are forced to install mono else if those app's are older as mono and don't need it at all!

so I prepare me to live all the Long Time period of LTS distributions using Jessie or 16.04 and never more again (my "old" installation of 17.04 is yet on my large hard disk in an storage directory for not any more used systems...

sorry for ascii. in my opinion, Linux goes actually through a great crisis! Devuan is one of the best remarquable expression of it!

oui · Installation

I don't find gtklp (I am accustomed to us from Puppy Linux). Search through the web did show for Jessie system-config-printer. But...

some web page (so maps.google.com) appears too "light" and I find in system-config-printer no option for my old laser printer (driver Brother HL-2035 Foomatic/hl1250 (recommended)).

an idea how to make it darker (or inverse the colours light colours dark and dark or black white!)?

oui · DIY

Hi MiyoLinux

Thank you for your msg concerning Far East languages! I will test it tomorrow as it is to late today! MiyoLinux! As I did not know what it is, I did look at your profile and find this thread.

My last installation (before Devuan) was an ubuntu installation like you describe!

I did install it directly in Korean language although I don't know that language but only will learn it a bit. I did made an netinstall of Ubuntu as the Ubuntu community supplies a very small netinstall iso based on only two files vmlinux and initrd.img, so that, different from Debian, it yet possible to install after a frugal start from harddisk with those 2 files (not directly from the iso: from the iso, it is also possible, but, depending on the bios settings on your PC, it is possible that BIOS refuses to give you the writing right at installation time, so that you can start the installation but not install and discover this mistake at the end of the installation: nothing did happen! From vmlinuz + initrd.xyz, no problem! But the use of my installation, analog to yours above, did not satisfy me, because, as it was on Korean, I did select cryptage... and making it, the PC is terribly slow (perhaps because I use a main own directory outside of /home/~ ? The PC has to transfer, crypt and decrypt, a lot of long files?).

It was very difficult to find a friendly session manager. Slim goes as well as lightdm. I would have prefer ssdm (was installed in the precedent installation and I was happy as it is very easy to change divers little things). And I did install lxqt. In mixtur with lxde, it was not good.

different of the most users probably, I did install lxqt on jwm! it is perfect as jwm ist alone yet a very complete environment (starts background picture itself, xlm management of tray, easy to add etc direct in a text without a front end that not permit some things; jwm can manage icons if used by it itself, chars and have a clear areal StartupCommand to add directly some commands like setxkbmap ;-) ...

the use of jwm instead of OB is perfectly supported. I did let the bar from LXQT at the bottom and set an minimal tray hidden at the head of the screen, very usefull as menu from Debian does not recognize all installed software (it is analogue in Devuan!) and you can install in seconds an icone for them in the tray of JWM (I did not find the way for all in LXQT; add an item in /usr/share/application and draw it in the bar from LXQT did not work for all! I have yet the problem today in Devuan Jessie: I actually use Seamonkey, Midori, Luakit and Xombrero. Only luakit appear in the Debian menu made in /etc/jwm/debian.menu ! But it is so easy to add items in JWM, as well in the /etc/jwm/system.jwmrc as in the tray...).

as I prefer in all cases rox-filer, i think about the eventuality to use it directly as session manager, or, as puppy-linux makes, in combination with jwm, as it is possible to get the prepared debian menu in /etc/jwm but there is no adequate correspondent thing for rox as rox and Debian systems are not really loving reciprocally (perhaps it would be possible to use ratpoison: combined with menu + 9menu, ratpoison can manage both menu and transmit to other session managers! but as far I know, it can not offer a background picture without some help like feh etc. ... it great force is don't to need some mouse at all, of course. and also to be very small).

for restart:

CMD+ALT+F1
after that CMD+ALT+DEL ;-)

shutdown -h now, of course in terminal.

editor: nano! nano does not need some defined row lenght, different from the most CLI editors! and pressing the wheel, you can port marked text from nano to other application else if they are graphic mode applications (but the mouse emulator for cdo line as to be installed of course!

different from sc, nano writes in commando line complexe fonts like hangul, and can interact with them also in graphic mode!

oui · Installation

Thank you very much for the very fast answer FOSSuser.

Saving is not the question, the question is input! Input Far East language need

input methods

and, for European people, a lot of courage as the most howto's are written in the divers language herself!

the most Linux distributions offer some input method (else SliTaz, although being one of the smallest Linux distro; SliTaz offers it for one of the named language probably because a user did build an adequate package. but for the other nothing, and how the community or alone person using is using it seems not to be described or the howto seems difficult to find.

I hope that Devuan has users living in Far East and able to explain a bit how they do using Devuan of course (I am really using Devuan since last month as my main linux installation!)

oui · Installation

Hi

as my user name indicate, I am a French man. but I would like to use my computer to re-learn languages I did begin to learn as I was young. this was depending on the country I am dealing with (India, this as well Hindi as Tamil, China, Japan, Korea etc.).

before the computer did become common in the private houses, we did learn sometimes only with romanized books, sometimes with the correct writing although this has been a long process! in some countries the own language was less used with other peoples than English, and at the time from telex machines, the transcription did often change. later came letters in hand writing (Chinese, Japanese) at the time later of telefax. the first Windows system were completely different in Far East versions and different from country to country etc. No way to process correctly the writing of such languages...

I am looking now for the possibility to catch up lost time and inconvenience.

but as I am not specialist I have difficulty to select the best input system offered in Debian / Devuan / Ubuntu distributions for such persons being absolutely no native readers/writers!

- most compact as possible (one of my portable PC has really very low hard ware resources (low RAM, small hard disk, very old 64 bit CPU, very slow, the other not but I don't will to have to accustom me to one input method on one PC and to a completely different on the other)
- easy procedure to change the language WITHIN a document (especially in spread sheet with rows etc. in for ex. my mother tongue, next in Chinese simplified, next in Korean etc., for Hindi and Tamil no problem as it is possible to use "setxkbmap" in an opened little terminal window)
- easy to install / start deamon / add languages and fonts (I prefer fonts remembering writing with brush as I did myself learn a lot of signs really writing them with pencil and ink, including special simplified and bound hand writing in case of Chinese or Japanese! I recognize the signs easier, I did look, if I use such fonts like "ungunseo" in Korean. I need only one font for each language if it reproduces pencil hand writing!

My usual keyboard layout is: us intl (my hardware belong that layout on it).

I use neither KDE nor Gnome and would prefer not to have to use LXDE/LXQT etc. (to spare resources on the old poor 10 y. laptop emachines...)!

What can you recommend to me?

oui · Installation

a lot of applications (for ex. wine and other) will install more fonts (wine: fonts-liberation).

why?

is it possible to remove them?

are links necessary to avoid perturbations?

oui · Installation

hi ralph, thank you very much, but I think it is not the same. kind regards

oui · Installation

is necessary for starting diverse browsers but seems not to be available.

what is to do?

oui · Installation

how to (64 bit!!!)?

oui · Installation

thank you very much for your answers!

I use now Devuan a few weeks and am very happy.

Different from other, I will promote the browser diversity! And avoid (a part would be enough, of) the smudge of the commercial advertising etc.

For this reason I did install epiphany-browser as my x-www-browser (see under /etc/alternatives ! x-www-browser is a link in it for the graphic environment of you devuan! www-browser is the equivalent for the character only environment of your devuan system: I have an link to "links" there).

But I did also install "xombrero" (with only an hand full of bytes over the actual installation: the adequate webkit is preinstalled and xombrero is only an reputed absolute secure front end for webkit).

To use friendly xombrero, it is better you to rename the /usr/share/xombrero/xombrero.css into what you want to make it unoperable ;-) . If not, you have to enter some commando code and you see it not: the chars are white and the background is yellow! For ex.:

:o https://dev1.galaxy.org

how to install libflashplayer.so?

I really rarely make the official installation.

I create a subdir in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu

sudo mkdir /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/mozilla

with the usual name "mozilla"

and in it the usual /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/mozilla/plugins

sudo mkdir /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/mozilla/plugins

and copy an actual version from the plugin in it as /usr/lib/lib_84_64-linux-gnu/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so I am using else!

after that, I create a subdir /usr/lib/mozilla and in it the usual subdir /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins

and make an link

sudo ln -s /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so

and to complete all that I create a link with following commando

sudo ln -s /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/mozilla/plugins /usr/lib/adobe-flashplugin

it works perfect!

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