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#2701 Re: Off-topic » This should be fun... » 2019-12-11 10:59:01

Dutch_Master wrote:

whomever wrote them

Each individual option was submitted by a named Debian developer who had the backing of several supporters.

The full list of names is in the official announcement: https://www.debian.org/vote/2019/vote_002

Option E seems to be what most folks here would want, the developers can select just that and leave the other options unvoted if they want to. That's all I'm saying about this.

EDIT: corrected link.

EDIT2: s/Option D/Option E/

#2702 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » What games do you play on Devuan?? » 2019-12-10 09:06:31

Skyrim now works under Proton in Steam. It's awesome.

#2703 Re: Installation » Display Manager question » 2019-11-30 10:25:59

I had Devuan running without a display manager using autologin with this in ~/.profile to start the desktop automatically on login to TTY1:

[ $(tty) = /dev/tty1 ] && exec startx

The advantage of this method is that X is rootless.

I don't use session management so I have no idea how that side of things works without a DM though.

#2704 Re: DIY » ascii VM to ascii live *.iso » 2019-11-30 10:21:40

For what it's worth, QEMU can support virtual GPUs in beowulf with the libvirglrenderer0 package. The VirtualBox package was dropped for beowulf because of security issues so it's probably best not to use it.

#2705 Re: DIY » KISS: a new systemd-free distribution that aims to "keep it simple" » 2019-11-25 18:21:20

yeti wrote:

And abolishing source distributions would stop global warming within months!

Lol.

Yes, source-based distributions are certainly an aquired taste but the customisation possibilities are interesting, especially with KISS' language-agnostic packaging system.

I'm tempted to build apk-tools and use that to install large binary packages like FF and possibly the kernel. Or perhaps fork the repositories and try to get GitHub's CI/CD to build them for me.

Anyway, the system itself is gorgeous. Very elegant.

#2706 Re: DIY » No dbus and compiling FF » 2019-11-25 18:17:01

HevyDevy wrote:

Looks like you would need to build firefox from source to be able to patch it, would that be right?

Yes, that's right. For Debian-derived systems it is possible to use the OBS to make it for you, accounts are free.

#2707 Re: DIY » KISS: a new systemd-free distribution that aims to "keep it simple" » 2019-11-23 14:22:23

OK, been trying it out a bit more. No X yet because it takes so long to compile stuff.

The init system is busybox with it's version of sv providing the service management. The rest of the userland is also provided by the various busybox utilities, including the shell.

It is incredibly minimalist, even more so than Alpine Linux. Here's the ps_mem & pstree output from a bare console login:

 Private  +   Shared  =  RAM used       Program

 24.0 KiB +  47.5 KiB =  71.5 KiB       init
516.0 KiB + 182.5 KiB = 698.5 KiB       udevd
216.0 KiB + 572.0 KiB = 788.0 KiB       busybox (8)
---------------------------------
                          1.5 MiB
=================================
init-+-5*[getty]
     |-runsvdir
     |-sh---sh---pstree
     `-udevd

Nice :-)

#2708 Re: DIY » No dbus and compiling FF » 2019-11-23 14:18:04

HevyDevy wrote:

Latest firefox pulls in dbus-glibs, no getting around that.

Dylan Araps (the KISS Linux developer) has a patch that allows the latest FF to run without dbus:

https://github.com/kisslinux/repo/blob/ … dbus.patch

#2709 Re: DIY » KISS: a new systemd-free distribution that aims to "keep it simple" » 2019-11-20 21:31:19

Ogis1975 wrote:

Did you try this distro?

I've just got it installed tonight, the kernel is compiled and the bootloader configured. I'll try to boot it and install X tomorrow.

Watch this space :-)

EDIT: so far it is *beautiful* to work with.

#2710 DIY » KISS: a new systemd-free distribution that aims to "keep it simple" » 2019-11-19 18:32:06

Head_on_a_Stick
Replies: 19

Though this might be of interest to some folks here:

KISS is an independent Linux distribution with a focus on simplicity and the concept of less is more.

https://getkiss.org/

Features:

  • Uses a plain-text package system which is language agnostic and parseable with basic UNIX utilities.

  • Uses a package manager written in 500~ lines of POSIX sh (excluding blank lines and comments).

  • Based on musl libc, busybox and the Linux kernel.

  • All shell code is linted by and passes shellcheck (including each and every repository package).

  • All packages are compiled from source by the package manager which automatically handles dependencies, patches, etc.

  • Explicitly excludes the following software: dbus, systemd, polkit, gettext, intltool, pulseaudio, pam, wayland, logind, ConsoleKit2 and all Desktop Environments. See Philosophy.

  • Rootless Xorg environment without any additional software.

  • Repository signing through git and gnupg (based on signed commits and built into git itself).

So it's a source-based distribution but much simpler in concept & execution than Gentoo.

The developer is Dylan Araps, who also wrote neofetch & fff.

#2711 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » systemd » 2019-11-19 18:20:13

cipher wrote:

Well ascii shows 24 hits for systemd
https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pk … ease=ascii

The pattern is improving though: 14 results for beowulf and just 7 for ceres.

And please check the package descriptions: most of that stuff is for interacting with systemd and so will do *nothing* if it isn't installed.

#2713 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » ASCII: does unattended-upgrade give latest kernel security update ? » 2019-11-17 10:29:45

boycottsystemd wrote:

I need security updates only

That's the default setting, see the comments in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades

boycottsystemd wrote:

it is good to check it's functionality sometimes by manual calling

Yes, I suppose.

#2714 Re: Off-topic » is anybody else interested in the # of free sw projects msft controls? » 2019-11-16 23:04:54

Oh my, interesting read. I wonder what Charles Max Wood did to so offend the Foundation.

#2715 Re: Other Issues » [Solved] hostname issue » 2019-11-16 22:59:29

It's likely to be caused by your DHCP server, as Geoff notes.

You might be able to prevent it by adding this to /etc/rc.local:

hostnamectl --transient set-hostname "$hostname"

Replace $hostname with the desired hostname.

But I don't know if hostnamectl(1) will work in (or is included with) Devuan. If it doesn't work then you can configure dhclient to not ask for a hostname:

https://askubuntu.com/questions/875276/ … ame-change

#2716 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » ASCII: does unattended-upgrade give latest kernel security update ? » 2019-11-16 19:40:27

boycottsystemd wrote:

Is it necessary when unattended-upgrade is called manually ?

Why would you do that? That would be an attended unattended upgrade then? hmm

#2717 Re: Off-topic » is anybody else interested in the # of free sw projects msft controls? » 2019-11-16 19:37:40

freemedia2018 wrote:

letting microsoft dictate who can contribute (and on what terms things are accessed) seems like a losing proposition.

Moving to another provider is pretty simple and there's plenty of choice so they don't really "control" anything.

I host a few things on GitHub and I'm happy to let M$ pay the bill for serving it up.

fsmithred wrote:

I'd be more worried about which projects MS contributes to.

Do you mean the Linux kernel?

https://www.linuxfoundation.org/membership/members/

big_smile

#2718 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » amdgpu-pro + ascii on kernel 4.19 bpo ? » 2019-11-16 19:30:31

Don't follow that guide, I broke a Debian system trying that.

Why do you think you need the proprietary amdgpu drivers? The Phoronix benchmarks show consistently better performance from the open-source version for gaming and suchlike.

#2719 Re: DIY » fbsplash or i want to restore old and sweet gfx console » 2019-11-07 18:29:04

T-wax wrote:

Need turn on in kernel these options

General setup  --->
    [*] Initial RAM filesystem and RAM disk (initramfs/initrd) support
Device Drivers  --->
    [*] Block devices  --->
        <*>   RAM block device support
Device Drivers  --->
    Graphics support  --->
        {*} Support for frame buffer devices  --->
            *** Frame buffer hardware drivers ***

In Devuan kernel they are active?

Yes but the NVIDIA blobs don't provide an fbdev driver and so cannot run a high resolution console screen.

#2720 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Question about XDG menus » 2019-11-07 17:32:33

Both icewm & windowmaker use the Debian menu system, see https://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-ma … l/ch6.html for the override methods.

EDIT: openbox can generate XDG menus on-the-fly using the openbox-menu package and this pipemenu entry:

<menu id="applications-menu" label="Applications" execute="/usr/bin/openbox-menu -i lxde-applications.menu"/>

But this is not possible with icewm or windowmaker, AFAICT.

#2721 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » ASCII: does unattended-upgrade give latest kernel security update ? » 2019-11-07 17:31:18

boycottsystemd wrote:

Are there any other packages needed for unattended-upgrade to work corectly ?

No, but you do need to configure it: https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades

tl;dr:

# dpkg-reconfigure -plow unattended-upgrades

#2722 Re: DIY » Linux ports of OpenBSD's ksh » 2019-10-18 19:46:02

Version 6.6-1 is now available.

I've tidied up the packaging a bit so Lintian now only complains about the embedded ncurses library in the statically-linked version.

#2724 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Is ~/.profile ignored when running live remastered images? » 2019-10-14 19:54:54

chris2be8 wrote:

I've misread that

^ This.

~/.profile is only ignored if ~/.bash_profile (or ~/.bash_login) is present.

#2725 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » root-Terminal on Beowulf » 2019-10-08 14:44:50

For a "root terminal" menu entry that does not need either gksu or polkit see the EDIT at the bottom of this post:

https://forum.mxlinux.org/viewtopic.php … 34#p521734

^ That opens a terminal emulator under normal privileges and then runs sudo -i to attain a root shell without exposing the graphical interface.

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