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#1 Re: News & Announcements » Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta is here! » 2018-02-20 13:45:00

gksu gksudo will be removed from debian repositories.  It already has been removed from debian-testing/buster and exists in stretch and sid.  The excuse is it is unmaintained, the truth may be that the gnome team wants its polkit to be handling things and not gksu.
Is gksudo synaptic and gksudo gparted (as menu items) the same process as synaptic.pkexec and gparted.pkexec ?
I don't think so.  I bet the same gnome team people don't like lxpolkit being independent of their polkit.  If you have lxpolkit running I bet the same menu items that don't work will.

#3 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Grub Background fix for Miyo-XTRA-Ascii 2018 » 2018-02-13 17:52:18

No, thank you, I'll keep it miyo.   Grub is usually on one of them, sometimes I may run into trouble and use a different one, but since I've put Devuan (and its derivatives) in the freezer till the act gets together someday, I will use miyo in some other installation.
Void or Obarun probably smile

#4 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Grub Background fix for Miyo-XTRA-Ascii 2018 » 2018-02-13 15:38:49

This is good, it is going on all my installations

#5 Re: Installation » pkgmaster is repository hell (continued) » 2018-02-06 13:01:08

This is what I was saying, up to about 10 days ago and intemittendly for a couple of months they were giving different results, meaning that there were things missing from one and that they couldn't have been the same.  Take a look at what it was doing when OpenRC moved to ascii.  Then when miyo-extra came out 2-3 installations were destroyed by this.  The installation on two boxes was fine and fully updated, then switch just the names of the repositories to ...onion and it was like going from jessie to ceres, before I knew it half the system was gone and wouldn't even respond to chroot, never mind booting.

I'm just glad that out of this "someone" went and fixed something even though *he will not admit to it.
I'm just done here due to trust, of people telling me that I am nuts instead of looking at the problem.
Thos who use tor, for whatever reason, are not usually talkative or subscribe to forums and lists.  So just because nobody else is reporting anything doesn't say much about the state of things.

Anyway, thank you for your time.

#6 Re: Other Issues » Unable to format sdcard » 2018-02-05 21:56:13

Try creating a new partition table --> msdos
After that is done, you can recreate a partition and formatted in any format.  Sometimes gparted is too dumb and too afraid to wipe everything out and those cards are a little mysteriously structured.

#7 Re: Other Issues » How to fix the meltdown and spectre issue in Devuan » 2018-02-05 21:03:50

They haven't just pulled, they said whoever made the mistake of applying it is screwed, in nicer terms.  But some distributions still have the 01/18 microcode available.

#8 Re: Installation » pkgmaster is repository hell (continued) » 2018-02-05 18:32:27

I have used tor:// instead of tor+http:// for years because I have proved to my self that there is not a bit of difference.  I actually threw it in there as bate so the innocent can get caught on the hook.

Try again because there has been 0 answer still.
Ralph's response appears as an answer of how things are working "now", not how they have been working.  It was within hours/days Katolaz responded on DNZ that ....onion is equal to pkgmaster, and GoLinux copied this response here about the same day.  Look up amprolla3 announcement and you will find the statement as I say shortly after, if you care.  It was since then that 3 or 4 ascii installation broke because of the difference between the "two" different things.  I would care more about why this is the case than about responding to me and shutting me up.  I am glad if after months of complaining somebody was lead to go fix it even though it may not be admittable that it was a mistake and it is now fixed.
Try tor and tor+http and let me know how is it different or supposed to be different.
Unfortunately I have lost interest in trying anymore.  It is not worth my time, despite of how much I will miss three people in here and I have not altered my signature and stand behind their efforts.

#9 Re: Installation » pkgmaster is repository hell (continued) » 2018-02-05 02:17:40

deb tor://devuanfwojg73k6r.onion/merged ascii main contrib non-free
deb tor://devuanfwojg73k6r.onion/merged ascii-updates  main contrib non-free
deb tor://devuanfwojg73k6r.onion/merged ascii-security main contrib non-free
# deb tor:// ascii main contrib non-free
# deb tor:// ascii-updates  main contrib non-free
# deb tor:// ascii-security main contrib non-free

This is what I was alternating back and forth and getting different results with about 4 installations.
The last two I tried on the same day with pkgmaster they were all up to date and there was nothing to upgrade.
Switching the comment from bottom three to top three, the release files had to reload as new, and a whole bunch of things had to be changed like it was shifting from one distro to another.  When the process was done the installation was all broken and couldn't boot or chroot to, due to essential pkgs being removed.

But what is the point of asking.  Are you trying to get an answer or an excuse that it is my fault.  I did the same thing in debian, and the release files do not reload as they have the same gpg key, because their onion address points to the same repository, not a different one!

Is devuanfwojg73k6r.onion = ?

That is all you need to answer.  I have stated the same problem about 10 times already, why is it so damn hard for you or katolaz to comprehend?
And you do not need to answer to me, but the body of devuan users, because if there is no technically rational explanation none should trust devuan anymore!

#10 Re: Installation » pkgmaster is repository hell (continued) » 2018-02-04 16:51:19

I have not questioned the transport protocol but the address itself.  Obviously the onion address can only be reached through tor by either tor://.....onion or tor+http://,,,,,onion

I am clearly questioning whether the onion address and the pkgmaster is the same as all evidence was pointing to not being the same.  For example see the thread with OpenRC on ascii.  Just switching the address from pkgmaster to onion OpenRC had insufficient pkg available.  Dependencies were missing all over the place and I had reported them.  Fsmithred said he had no clue why that would be.  I told him then that the only possible explanations was that using the same exact repositories with the onion address and with pkgmaster gave different results.  Which I tried later with another installation and it was pretty obvious.  My first try was with ceres and ceres covered the dependencies for the missing ones from ascii.

Hitting tor://pkgmaster yes, you go into the tor network and back out to clearnet to pkgmaster.  Pkgmaster server sees the exit node ip, and the transfer is through socks5.  That is not what the problem is.  Obviously dns provides the same ip for pkgmaster whether you go through tor or http or https.

Again is devuanfwojg73k6r.onion the same server as and if so since when?

"This site can be mentioned as “dev dash 1 dot org” as it is reached via and

To avoid censorship and blocks to the Internet, this website is also accessible using Tor at the address http://devuanzuwu3xoqwp.onion"

We provide access to our package repository also via Tor: install apt-transport-tor and then use the following hidden services

deb tor+http://devuanfwojg73k6r.onion/merged jessie          main
deb tor+http://devuanfwojg73k6r.onion/merged jessie-updates  main
deb tor+http://devuanfwojg73k6r.onion/merged jessie-security main


#11 Installation » pkgmaster is repository hell (continued) » 2018-02-04 14:26:32

Replies: 11

It was brought to my attention that my prohibition to post here has ended.  This is my first try to post ever since the "Post Reply" button reappeared.
I would very much like to engage and participate in the above and other discussions but this would have been a trap to undermine the reasons for which I was put in isolation, even though we all are still prisoners of the administrators.

The question remains.  Is and has the onion address of the repository been forwarded to pkgmaster as announced by golinux and katolaz or is it (and has been in the recent past and ever since the announcement of pkgmaster) another repository with supposedly the same content?  This is a question that is not personal in anyway but relevant to anyone wishing to try devuan.

As a non-personal issue it should have been anyone's issue to forward to the "appropriate channels".  I chose to use the "officially official" devuan forum.
As far as I know this question has not been answered by devuan "officially".  If and when this question is answered then I would be willing to discuss "other" matters.  Till then, it all appears to me as an escape from answering the question above.  Has Devuan been deceiving its users or not?  I think it is important.

#12 Re: Forum Feedback » Crossing the line or not? » 2018-01-27 03:34:10

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#13 Forum Feedback » Crossing the line or not? » 2018-01-27 03:25:29

Replies: 17

Note that the following posts were split from this topic.


You see this is what I am talking about, deviate from the issue.

Show me ONE comment where someone has tried what I prescribe above and reported back as positive or negative in reproducing the problem.

NOT ONCE IN MONTHS has anyone said that what I claim is false or it is true!!!

Keep on keeping on golinux. keep sweeping things under the carpet.

#14 Re: Installation » pkgmaster is repository hell » 2018-01-27 02:54:33

Cynwulf, I don't disagree with much of what you say, but there has been evidence on systemd being a little more than just not "as functional as it claims", or becoming a monolyth mediator between linux and all other software.  It  is about security.  And that becomes automatically political, whether it relates to user and big corporations or the user and the state.

On the whining part the fault is not always on the user side but how users are treated by developers and the distance they form between themselves and users.
When the repository is malfunctioning there is not much a user "can" do, it is not a technical problem or a bug.  If it keeps happening time and time again and either there is no feedback, or there is a 'I don't see a problem with it" eventually whining and complaining is all one can do.  I like to think that I am not the only user using this repository, I am just the one talking about it, open and in public.

But why go off-topic on all those other issues and not talk about the problem.  No matter what version of devuan you (not cynwulf the resto of you all) you don't have to upgrade anything, just hit the repository like I am saying and update.  See whether it checks out.  Even trying ceres should make no difference.  If things that are meant to be identical and are different is where the problem begins.

Golinux:  I am tired of dealing with autistic people.  When I say A you say go to DNG.  When I say I am blocked by DNG you change the subject.  Then I talk about the subject and you come back telling me to go to DNG!  The one day you say that is where the developers are, the next day you get offended and call me clueless because I say that you are not a developer! 

If you don't think the matter is serious, just say so!  If you think the matter IS serious then I believe you have an obligation to convey the message since you are larking on there all day anyway.

http: repositories are like buying insulin from a street smuggler.
The way you are dealing with the repeated report of the problem is what gets me overly suspicious!

And you know I will not let it rest

A month ago I was testing Refracta 9, I reported the problem I was having (installing OpenRC)  to fsmithred and he couldn't reproduce it.  The only difference was the tor address of the repository.  The next day, without changing the source list at all the missing dependencies all of a sudden reappeared and were available,.
I had shown the output of all the missing pkgs that magically reappeared the day after.

I may have done more installations of Devuan than probably anyone in the forum.  Ask me if I really use it to do any work on it!  Ask me why wouldn't I trust to do any work on it.

#15 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Vuu-do and Miyo why isn't Alt-f Alt-e not working? » 2018-01-26 20:31:43

More weirdness, the same stick I installed miyo32extra I had left at work upgrading to ascii
When I went to it today I noticed the alt-f wasn't a problem.
The original installation was done on the same machine that 32 wouldn't let alt-f work and 64 was ok.
Now is the different hw the difference or did the upgrade to ascii fix the problem?
The upgrade was taking so long I just let it run and left.
I also noticed that refracta-installer was on the list to be upgraded, check your version before next issue.

#16 Re: DIY » Tips for using Palemoon » 2018-01-26 20:24:17

Let's say you want some scripts in some pages, but not on the rest, this solution is inconvenient.  The no-script button you can click to ublock temporarily or permanently or permanently block a single site.  On a classic news/media article you will be surprised on how many sites are at it studying who you are and what you are interested in.

This here forum works fine with no scripts.  Not your usual situation this days.
On mx/anti-x not only you need scripts but you need them to go through clouds to get to it.

“The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.”

― George Bernard Shaw

#17 Re: Installation » pkgmaster is repository hell » 2018-01-26 19:59:16

Tom is Sam's brother

If you are on Jessie and you try it with ascii in all three tries you should get the same numbers, x to remove, y to upgrade, z to install.
where x1 = x2 = x3
y1 = y2 = y3
z1 = z2 = z3
http 1
https 2
tor 3

You can also split 3 into two tries
one will say tor:// the other tor://dev.....onion

Another way is to put the same repository in the same source list, just one ascii main for example, and give the three different addresses and see when they update if the amount of the release, (the size of the directory) is the same for all.  I flipped yesterday when I tried it and it was coming out as a different amount!  Then I knew I was right all along.

#18 Re: Installation » pkgmaster is repository hell » 2018-01-26 19:56:53

go search the archives for fungilife and you will find out.

I am ignoring golinux ironical questioning.  I am actually also sick and tired of it!

It is really simple to reproduce if it is still a problem

First you will need apt-transport-http and apt-transport-tor
If you don't have these packages then you explain to us how do you know that your installation is Devuan and not uncle Tom's version of Devuan.

Whether I went from jessie to jessie or wheezy to ceres is IRRELEVANT to what I am saying so bare with me!

let's say we have ascii  main contrib non-free
Do apt update,
then do apt-get dist-upgrade
if it says 0 up 0 rm 0 ins nothing to do you are OK

Then edit sources.list
deb ascii  main contrib non-free

See if you get all 0 0 0 again

deb tor://devuanfwojg73k6r.onion/merged/ ascii main contrib non-free

If you 0 0 0 again then it is fixed
If you get a whole bunch of different numbers of things to remove, upgrade, install, then you reproduced the problem I have been having ever since Katolaz announced the existence of pkgmaster amprolla3, and maybe slightly before as well.  It was at that time I asked whether pkgmaster had a different onion address than the original one and he returned (and here through golinux) that the onion is on pkgmaster

This crap didn't happen 3 months ago but yesterday where I spent for a 3rd time in a month half a day and ended up with a broken installation.  Which was fine with http repositories and 0 to do on upgrade.

Which meant that onion.addresses were on pkgmaster from before it was announced and users were used as beta testers without being notified!!!  Nor did they have an option to avoid being beta-testers (which I don't mind, I am always pushing the limits to sid ever since Debian 5 or 6).

Go try it all out and then tell us your findings.

PS 1   If only http is "reliable" in Devuan, then Devuan can no longer be trusted!

PS 2   And heads I wouldn't touch again with an 9ft pole after I pointed out that what they had packaged as tor-browser in it couldn't possibly be a real tor-browser!!!   I got NO RESPONSE!!!

PS 3   Don't dare come out and tell me that in light of meltdown and spectre all this is meaningless!  It is all we got!

#19 Re: Installation » pkgmaster is repository hell » 2018-01-26 12:10:58

I want nothing to do with DNG premadonas and their tolerance to neonazis and intolerance to those who tried to block neonazi propaganda and got the boot from the list!!!!   REMEMBER!  We do not forget we don't forgive, easily!

I am sure your consciousness will not keep this a secret from them, as it has been YOU and Katolaz who have come here and ensured us that pkgmaster is fully bug-free and the onion address had for a while being identical to http-pkgmaster.


http pkpmaster was showing 0 upgrades, 0 to be removed, 0 to be installed.
Only change was https and onion address part in source.list .... then it all went to hell like I had changed distributions.
This has been identified and reported here on the forum several times already and YOUR response was something done wrong by me.

What was that stupid term you used about something between the chair and the terminal error?

Go ask for me to be unblocked on the list and I will happily copy paste this in their face!
And the neonazi polak propagandist better not be there!

#20 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Conversation about "officially" launching a devuan derivative » 2018-01-26 12:04:22

I see it as perfectly reasonable.
If you were a bio-organic farmer and I took your tomatoes and injected ABCD chemical nutrient additive crap in it and passed it on as your delicious bio-tomatoes then you would have a jerkdown.

If you just pass on the opportunity to your natural product with your name on it, you would be thankful, I think!  I think vuu-do came with palemoon, I don't know if it still does.  I use it everyday.

#21 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Vuu-do and Miyo why isn't Alt-f Alt-e not working? » 2018-01-26 11:59:20

On my experiment yesterday I pulled refr-staller from experimental and chose expert installation, and kept an eye open for when that part would come up, left the pre and post scripts as they were.  It didn't come up, so whatever it is is in those pre-scripts.

I must have done the same with vuu-do a while ago, and I mentioned it then thinking it had to do with hotkeys vuu-do had that disabled Alt-f ....  never figured it out at the end.

But on vuu-do I think alt-f was reserved for a different function, alt-f on miyo32 was doing nothing, it just wasn't working.  The only difference was that on 64 I did not touch that option and it worked.  It may be irrelevant and the problem is elsewhere in 32 that doesn't exist in 64.

#22 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Conversation about "officially" launching a devuan derivative » 2018-01-25 20:29:52

First why pull palemoon from mx when you can just include the few kb of palemoon installer (pminstaller 0.24??) that does the installation and updates and takes 1'-30" to download and install.

Are you making a mirror repository of your own?  If no, and you are using devuan then it is devuan.  If whoever installs your system wants an update of your own scripts and modifications, how would they get them?  See miyo-linux discussions and vuu-do here, there is probably many relevant points.

There is also a thread made by the admin of the forum of a list of forks and derivatives based on devuan.

#23 Installation » pkgmaster is repository hell » 2018-01-25 19:26:52

Replies: 17

I was testing a new installation from an old Jessie 8.2 image to transform to Devuan
Everything was going unexpectedly well and then I switched to https and tor repositories and all hell broke loose.  When I updated and asked to see if there were upgrades it went ballistic.  It removed stuff, it brought weird new stuff in, like lxqt crap which my installation had nothing to do with, it even removed all kernels (all, Debian 3.16 and 4.14) things are now broken, and most essential stuff to the system can not be reinstalled as they seem as missing dependencies.

I reverted back to plain http: (as it seems as the only reliable access to the repository) and it has been stuck for the past 20' waiting for headers.

I wish there was someone responsible enough to throw some light into this LONG term problem with accessing repositories other than with http and all this flaky behavior of working the one minute breaking up the next.

Everytime I have brought up the topic there seems nothing but silence coming up from "devuan".

If it is not working and there is nobody around knowing how to fix it just unplug the damn thing!
And take that silly address with the .onion off your first page, as there seems no intention to make it work, rather than discourage anyone for ever using it.

#24 Re: Off-topic » [QUESTION] UKUI DE in Devuan? » 2018-01-23 20:47:06

I was looking at elive and its promoted desktop, enlightment
Elive was stuck in wheezy land for a long while and finally made it to jessie (I haven't seen any reference to how they accomplished jessie with sysvinit "yet").
Enlightment is some DE that seems to be evolving following wayland development.
Like if gnome wasn't enough .....   enlightment.freedesktop... has a full page .... 

Do you know that kind of feeling where you make the mistake and keep reading about something and somehow you think ... maybe I should take the safety off as I may have gone too far?

#25 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2018-01-23 17:46:44

Very good, I was impressed.
The PMinstaller script is tiny and it might fit nicely in one of your miyo-control-panels without adding much space.  I think it installs pm much faster than ff-esr from the repository.  The latest of pm browser will come through the day the installer is run.

It was asciified and held up nicely (except for ob-gen and that linux-desktop command )

Thanks again

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