Breaking the AI hype.(AI or Die..?)

chomwitt · Yesterday 17:32:28

Welcome to The magnificent Era of the Ultra-hype engines and the comp-resource hoarders and data stealers ...

I read increasingly reports-complaints of websites creators and maintainters on the negative consequences (mainly less traffic and mass scraping that create also stability issues) of aggresive AI crawlers and search engines moving away from the links list mode to an AI-centric UI. (and of course the most important -a wave of layoffs in various tech related sectors).

One natural question : So hasnt that happen before? New tech creating new jobs , replacing old ones? Opposing AI means to be a new version of Luddites ?
Wont AI offers us a new brighter future so lets not allow petty complaints to hold us back ? Shouldnt we play along and make our sites more AI access friendly ? Or maybe become youtube content creators-workers ? I will argue in favor of a position that the biggest change that is happening in our lifes in not a new-tech transformation but a significant era of comp-related resources hoarding of the powerfull amidst what seems to be a prelude to a world war. A society transformation to less liberal forms . A 'transfomation' that kills the soul of the truly biggest tech of 2000s , thaf of the internet. A transfomation that opposes creative spirits and upholds control as the highest value.That transfomation (a hoarding accelaration) is possibly because it stands on the shoulders of already pathological wealth and power concentration that had been created in prior time . And surely the current data stealing is facilitated from the eco-hostile smartphones!!! The smartphone era is the prelude to the current era. Massive personal data is comming from the smarfphones. Without smartphones all data centers would die. LLM is a tool to access more ealisy all the huge data . BUT you need ram to access it and store it and gpu's to process it. And another creek leading to the 'AI' river is the cloud era. OSes like windows, ads trackers , and many programs collect vast data and 'telemetry' that needs to be stored and processed. So we have an explosion of digital data creation.

So i dont buy the ultra-hyped LLM tech as fundamentally AI innovation .
It's a complex LLM that for the moment needs access to vast comp resources as ram and gpus and ofcourse data in order to create a usefull service.
And for me that exposes it's weakness of the digital computing. It's doesnt align well with complexity. It drains resources .
I think a single cell of a bee is computational way more capable and utilizes resources many orders of mangitute more efficiently than al l the LLM data centers. Is that an hallucination of me? wishfull thinking? I think AI hype works better as the world becomes more dump and enumerated. But i think it's not a peer to the biological world that has millions of evolution on it's back . Billionaires surf on a media concetraded world that acts as an ego echo-chamber and hides the wrong doing of their actions. See for example climate instability not to mention playing global war with nuke threats!!

I see pure peaked greed and immoral content appropriation-stealing . Look the perpetrators. Multi billionaires with the ethical flexibility of saluting like nazis to attract media attentions, fantasizing replacing the workforce of their companies with indians, posing happily near trump and near dictators constantly promoting their ideas thought controlled appearances where they parrot in front of friends or employees how great they are... (put them in a room for a real - uncontrolled discussion with a philosopher like Slavoj Žižek and see the tech feudokings's ideological hollowness..). So are these people the AI innovators? The nvidia gpu gaming guy who ripped off for decades family budgets and now poses as a tech lord ? really ?

That is no news ofcourse. Remember github and copilot getting in bed with microsoft? They big corps always are after our data. I think the difference now it that big govs are fully onboard the AI train because i think they believe that it's a matter of state survival and a way to hide many of their ineffeciencies under the new hype tech word.. A gov with the bigger AI survives and wins. Without government money i dont think a company could buy mem - gpu production for the next years or build easily data genters. So there is a AI ultra hype train that is moving fast and attracts on board stateactors , aggresive companies and people who see a window of opportunity to tap on water and energy with more ease. That train hoard comp resources and public data very fast - cancer like fast- and nothing stops it. I believe that a crucial fuel of that train is the big hype engiges (that ofcourse belong to the same persons that drive the AI train.. how convenient and illegal and unethical...) . Those engines with constant hype-flows keep the train going full speed attracting resource hoarders . AI or die!! (i hope you see that most propably those on the AI-hyped train wont die... not because they are more AI-smart but because they will have stole massive water , energy , hoard all memory and gpu under the sun.., and ofcourse have access to gov public money and support.) (any free market funs left ???) (do the free world turns into north korea? or we are in the middle of WW3?)

The state-sponsored hoarding and datacenters expansion that destroyed the pc consumer marked highlights that argument.
Without vast memory and gpu , and energy and water that powers the datacenters LLM is would be a search engine language driven interface.
(speaking of AI_LLM capabilities.. have they learned to count in images yet?).

So for me the solution it to break the AI hype cycle. Expose the crucial element of greed,and data stealing and resource tapping. Expose the superficial hype-building claims of AI (when for example the hard problem of consciousness is out of reach). But that hype is supported by the great hype engines of our time . (facebook,twitter, etc). Breaking the hype ofcourse means engaging in a civilised discourse in public spheres not controlled by the AI-train hoarders. So in the end it boils down for me in a matter of how societies and political systems work. I fear that in our days states tend to align more with a china-concentrated model keeping elections as a thin vale constantly vanishing.

A very strange twist could also raise eyebrows regarding open source movement and data hoarding. A twist that could make open source feels less attractive to a programmer. Make the programmer feel from the moment s(he) uploads code an unpaid employe of the big tech!! . But that is another thread to ponder upon in the future..

Last edited by chomwitt (Today 09:15:43)

PedroReina · Today 10:08:41

I find very difficult to break the hype, as you ask, considering the current state of pubilc opinion. I was terrified when I read in a recent survey that the three most admired brands in the world are Google, Apple and Microsoft.

manyroads · Today 10:27:05

I find trying to help other people deal with their misunderstandings, emotional 'truisms' to be a waste of time- no matter the topic

Camtaf · Today 13:08:55

AI is just a big database, most of the info has been 'stolen' from other resources, & a lot of answers given by it are incorrect.

It'll probably get better, eventually, but don't trust it outright....

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