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dindusmith

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systemd v257 requires the merging of /bin and /sbin

Otherwise, when /bin and /sbin are not merged, the unmerged-bin taint will be displayed when using the systemctl status command.

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugrepo … ug=1085370

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steve_v

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Re: systemd v257 requires the merging of /bin and /sbin

systemd v257 requires the merging of /bin and /sbin tries to strong-arm distributions into another pointless filesystem layout change, by inserting scary-sounding messages to incite bug reports from clueless users.
FTFY^

In other news: The sky is blue, the sun rose in the east again, and Lennart is still an asshole.

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Altoid

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Re: systemd v257 requires the merging of /bin and /sbin

Hello:

... sky is blue, the sun rose in the east again, and Lennart is still an asshole.

I used to think more or less along the same lines.
But after reflecting on the matter (on and off fashion) I came to the conclusion that he may be an asshole, an idiot of sorts too.

---> But he is quite clearly a capable developer / programmer. <---
Just why do you think he is working for YouKnowWho?

I'd try to avoid continuing to underestimate Poettering, at your+everyone else's peril.

What I once labelled as being an asshole+idiot was the result of my frustration at what was going on.
But then I realised that it was my reaction (questionable and angry ad hominem manner) against the fact that he had evidently been working to infect Debian with the infamous systemd* for quite a long time, maybe years.

You do not come up with such complex shit overnight, no matter how capable you are.

After that, he outed himself by openly going to work for MS, where he now continues with the classic +30 year old Embrace Extend and Extinguish process we are all familiar with, process that he surely started from inside Debian much before systemd was ever heard of.   

* nothing but an MS registry for the Linux ecosytem

And here we are.

Best,

A.

stargate-sg1-cheyenne-mtn

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Registered: 2023-11-27

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Re: systemd v257 requires the merging of /bin and /sbin

thanks for bringing that to our attention.

naturally it is just _tilting_at_windmills_ and/or _spitting_into_the_wind_ as NOTHING will stop microsoft/redhat/etc and the multiple millions of dollars behind this _extend_embrace_extinguish_ bullet-train.

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1085370;msg=10

They cannot be disabled, there are no options to do so, feel free to send a patch upstream to implement such a feature if you want to do so

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Altoid

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Re: systemd v257 requires the merging of /bin and /sbin

Hello:

They cannot be disabled, there are no options to do so ...

That is a proper developer / programmer reply, states facts as they are and (sort of) explains why.
ie: textbook proper

... feel free to send a patch upstream to implement such a feature if you want to do so.

That is a proper assholican / idiotic reply.
ie: textbook proper

A.

steve_v

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Re: systemd v257 requires the merging of /bin and /sbin

I never said anything about capability. One can be the best programmer in the world, and still behave like an asshole.

Much of Lennart's code is excellent, some of it is even a good idea... The attitude exposed by his (and various other obvious parties as well) continual attempts to force everyone to get in line and do things according to "the plan" for GNU/Linux is that of an asshole.

His comments are replete with "I know best, do as I say" sentiment, and examples of "force x to do y, because it's the my future" are not at all difficult to find.
Usually these boil down to "Gentoo is resisting again, assimilate harder", or "Let's make not doing things our way as annoying as possible", while still waving the "it's open source, change it if you want" flag.

The headline is a garden-variety example of the latter. Doubtless any upstream bug reports or patches will be closed wontfix, with the usual "it's open-source, fork it if you really care that much"... Knowing full-well that this sanctimonious "taint" message is not quite annoying enough for anyone to actually do so.

Ordinarily all this would be a simple case of "dev is a twat, ignore", but he has unfortunately sold his ideas well enough to big corporate (IBM, Microsoft, etc.) that they now see them (systemd in particular) as the leverage they have always wanted to gain control of systems-level GNU/Linux development.

Much of the current direction within systemd is toward "trusted" computing, immutable operating systems, and homogenising the GNU/Linux landscape... These things sound like they are for the benefit of the end-user, but the natural end product - the computer as a cookie-cutter "secure" (for them) appliance, controlled by the vendor - is a holy-grail for big IT.

nothing but an MS registry for the Linux ecosytem

Uhh, sure... If you've been living under a rock for the last couple of decades. systemd does just a mite more than "registry" (a title better handed to the likes of, say, gconf) these days.

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blackhole

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Re: systemd v257 requires the merging of /bin and /sbin

Yes, they have planned this - as in their view they are directing things. Systemd/Linux is Linux, everything else is irrelevant to their plan. The biggest projects, including the Linux kernel, are now bankrolled, developed and staffed by corporations such as Microsoft, Alphabet, IBM/Red Hat, Meta and Amazon, to name but a few. Hence the arrogance - i.e. if you're not a corporation, or someone in the pay of one, your views simply don't matter - so you run along and develop your own OS.

The "MS registry" or svchost nonsense isn't helpful. This just shows systemd fans that many of its critics are clueless. The gnome people love MS and Apple, so they  came up with gconf and later dconf, binary config dbs. Svchost is more like inetd. Systemd was inspired by Apple launchd, but has become a huge all encompassing thing that seeks to replace or touch almost every part of the base OS. They have put themselves in a position where they can now force through pretty much anything they like with the usual: "if you don't like it, fork it, but we're going to make it so difficult, you'll just give in and do it our way in the end..."

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stopAI

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Re: systemd v257 requires the merging of /bin and /sbin

The biggest projects, including the Linux kernel, are now bankrolled, developed and staffed by corporations such as Microsoft, Alphabet, IBM/Red Hat, Meta and Amazon, to name but a few. Hence the arrogance - i.e. if you're not a corporation, or someone in the pay of one, your views simply don't matter - so you run along and develop your own OS.

Or just stop using Linux and use FreeBSD.